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13:24:45 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
13:24:45 <trackbot> Date: 06 January 2021
13:24:50 <jasonjgw> chair: jasonjgw
13:24:54 <jasonjgw> present+
13:26:20 <jasonjgw> agenda+ RTC Accessibility User Requirements (RAUR) open issues.
13:27:17 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Future Task Force publication opportunities and the APA Working Group Charter proposal.
13:28:04 <jasonjgw> agenda+ W3C Workshop on Wide Color Gamut and High Dynamic Range for the Web.
13:28:18 <jasonjgw> agenda+ MiniApp accessibility.
13:29:12 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Miscellaneous updates and topics relevant to Task Force work.
13:29:21 <jasonjgw> present+
13:29:36 <jasonjgw> zakim, list agenda
13:29:36 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda:
13:29:37 <Zakim> 1. RTC Accessibility User Requirements (RAUR) open issues. [from jasonjgw]
13:29:37 <Zakim> 2. Future Task Force publication opportunities and the APA Working Group Charter proposal. [from jasonjgw]
13:29:37 <Zakim> 3. W3C Workshop on Wide Color Gamut and High Dynamic Range for the Web. [from jasonjgw]
13:29:37 <Zakim> 4. MiniApp accessibility. [from jasonjgw]
13:29:38 <Zakim> 5. Miscellaneous updates and topics relevant to Task Force work. [from jasonjgw]
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14:01:44 <joconnor> present+
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14:06:09 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
14:06:09 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- RTC Accessibility User Requirements (RAUR) open issues. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:06:57 <scott_h> josh: starting to work through RAUR issues
14:07:11 <joconnor> TOPIC: NEW Use Case Pinning audio output #118
14:07:18 <joconnor> https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues/118
14:07:42 <scott_h> josh: new use case for pinning audio output
14:08:17 <scott_h> josh: mutkple use cases fo rpinning something, different items for different TTS/audio items
14:08:30 <scott_h> janina: does that make sense?
14:08:54 <scott_h> jjason: direct to channels via shortcut key
14:09:03 <joconnor> There may be a broader issue around the use of the term pinning
14:09:16 <joconnor> is it relevant for this case?
14:09:17 <scott_h> janina: eg pinning parts of screen to braille display
14:09:24 <joconnor> q+ to say it could be a useful catch all
14:09:43 <joconnor> SH: It makes sense to me.
14:09:47 <scott_h> scott: makes sense o tme
14:09:50 <joconnor> ack me
14:09:50 <Zakim> joconnor, you wanted to say it could be a useful catch all
14:10:09 <scott_h> josh: good t ohave catch-all term, pinning = sticking something on screen, whatever that is
14:11:09 <scott_h> janina: eg who's speaking, what message came up in chat,
14:11:13 <scott_h> josh: good to define that
14:11:37 <scott_h> use cases: audio, Brialle,
14:12:10 <scott_h> jason: status messages
14:12:36 <scott_h> e.g. who jsut arrive din ameeting, conveyed via status message
14:14:10 <scott_h> josh: issue of atomic intersting - audio, brialle, routing options
14:14:44 <JPaton_> present+
14:15:26 <scott_h> josh: we also have teh generic use case of routing tihngs in RAUR< cross-link
14:15:59 <scott_h> josh: currently have window anchoring/pinning,
14:16:34 <scott_h> three requirements: ability to pin (sign language/interpreter), flexible pnnning of captions, e.g. second screen rdevices
14:17:00 <scott_h> differential is the atomic idea
14:17:27 <scott_h> janina: yes, all from WCAG ACT, atomic tests.
14:17:57 <scott_h> Zoom have variet of views constructed on-the-fly.
14:18:32 <scott_h> josh: so need to add atomic and current pices of data: who's speaking, lat message, etc to pin that as new requirement
14:18:48 <scott_h> added to first one - 1(d) ensure that atomic pieces of date
14:18:57 <scott_h> in relaiton to who is speaking, last message was, can be pinned in user interface
14:19:58 <scott_h> janina: given we're using both ZOom and IRC, may need two sign language - multiple streams requriements?
14:20:27 <scott_h> judy: have been in meetings with 3,4 speech interpreters - not speculative
14:20:34 <scott_h> josh: yes e.g. ISL and BSL
14:21:22 <janina> https://www.evertype.com/standards/iso639/sgn.html
14:24:15 <scott_h> josh: have new text, updated
14:24:57 <joconnor> TOPIC: WebRTC needs mechanism to handle the metadata needed to re-aggregate Pinned audio content #119
14:25:02 <joconnor> https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues/119
14:27:22 <scott_h> jason: comlicated that some devices can come and go, display could all happen in midst of a session
14:28:02 <scott_h> josh: mentioned that if we have mutliple atomic data points for Braille spacing
14:28:21 <scott_h> didn't know you could break up Brialle dispaly - great example
14:29:09 <scott_h> jason: there are status cells, ways to put different inforation in
14:29:26 <scott_h> janin: yes, but can you update cells some cells wihtout others?
14:29:43 <scott_h> jason: yes, but the user wouldn't know
14:30:45 <joconnor> JOC: Adding a reference to sending atomic content to different sections of the braille display would be helpful to readers to understand the user need for atomic output
14:32:42 <scott_h> josh: back to piont on referring functionality within Brialle output - would help RAUR readers understanding atomic
14:32:55 <scott_h> janina: not much difference from a tabular display: file, size, etc.
14:33:01 <scott_h> josh: yes, but not common knowledge
14:35:20 <joconnor> JOC: Can you route live region output to different sections of a braille display?
14:35:23 <joconnor> JS: Not yet
14:37:12 <scott_h> jason: complicated when there is mutliple channels of informaotn coming in and only one channel output
14:38:35 <scott_h> janina makes point htat ARIA is about screen readers and speech, not screenr eaders and Brialle
14:40:58 <scott_h> jasoN: how's it looking regading this issue?
14:41:09 <scott_h> josh: still need to address what metadata means in this context
14:44:39 <scott_h> josh: making the point hta taomtic items may not be pinned next ot each other, but mmay have relaitonship
14:44:50 <scott_h> how do we capture dependencies/mechanisms?
14:45:00 <scott_h> janina: let the user deifne that?
14:46:39 <scott_h> jason: this paragraph/seciton will need some work, need discusson on github or list
14:47:21 <scott_h> josh: agreed, will come back with suggestions
14:48:03 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
14:48:03 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Future Task Force publication opportunities and the APA Working Group Charter proposal. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:48:51 <scott_h> jason: the APA working group is preparaing proposal for new charter,
14:49:06 <scott_h> need to include deliverables inlcuding non-normative Note track
14:49:19 <scott_h> need to discuss with APA before end of month
14:49:37 <scott_h> janina: would like to send new charter end Jan/early Feb
14:49:54 <scott_h> how to discuss our work in a proposed charter
14:51:02 <scott_h> judy: good to be specificlly on technical reports that RQTF publishing through APA
14:51:24 <scott_h> however RQTF is also exploratory
14:53:31 <scott_h> RQTF was taken from a preexisitng working gorup, restrctivie to take reserach questions - new area that needs deeper dive
14:54:16 <scott_h> RQTF doing well - good to take a fresh look
14:56:07 <scott_h> jason: will discuss what we want ot work on
14:56:16 <scott_h> has been some discusisonon MAUR as revision opportunity
14:56:39 <scott_h> are there other things?
14:56:59 <scott_h> janina: think about that and start next week
14:57:31 <scott_h> need scope to explore - eg new things to add to RAUR
14:57:44 <scott_h> can also point to work done eg CAPTCHA
14:58:19 <joconnor> s/discusisonon/discussion on
14:58:33 <joconnor> s/gorup/group
14:58:40 <scott_h> judy: also consider focus on scope with more flexible deliverables
14:58:47 <joconnor> s/reserach/research
14:59:04 <joconnor> s/htat/that
14:59:15 <joconnor> s/screenr eaders/screen readers
14:59:33 <joconnor> s/hta taomtic/that atomic
14:59:42 <joconnor> s/mmay/may
14:59:53 <joconnor> s/relaitonship/relationship
15:00:05 <joconnor> s/informaotn/information
15:00:21 <joconnor> s/piont/the point
15:00:32 <joconnor> s/wihtout/without
15:00:47 <joconnor> s/inforation /information
15:01:00 <joconnor> s/comlicated/complicated
15:01:51 <jasonjgw> zakim, bye
15:01:51 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been jasonjgw, janina, joconnor, scott_h, JPaton_
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