<mck> CAIR: Matt King
<Jemma> Meeting: ARIA-APG
<scribe> scribe: carmacleod
<Jemma> Meet Nov 17, meet Dec 1, meet Dec 15, skip Dec 29, meet Jan 12.
<jongund> +1 to more meetings
mck: if we stay on the same 2-week cycle that we're on now, we would only have one meeting left before the new year
+1 from Sarah and Car
<Jemma> +1
mck: ok, we'll go with the new schedule
mck: first thing to note is that
we've made a bunch of progress in the last 2 weeks
... bunch of infrastructure stuff, plus menubutton changes,
first 2 batches of codepen changes
... color contrast, title on codepen, infrastructure
performance is great now (github actions)
<Jemma> Summary of what we have remaining to finish in November:
<Jemma> Jon: Issue 1526 to revise Navigation Tree Example to match Disclosure Navigation Example
<Jemma> Jon: updated indexes to include high contrast support information by jongund ยท Pull Request #1607
<Jemma> Matt: Guidelines for aria-level attribute
<Jemma> Val: Codepen Button Implementation Project
<Jemma> Matt: Change log section of appendix and supporting wiki page
mck: valerie cleverly replaces
the external links temporarily for build so there's no timeout
changes
... good progress on navigation treeview - anything to add
Jon?
<Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/1526
jongund: I think that one is ready for review. I think the tests are up-to-date.
https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1558
jongund: car brought up roving tabindex - not roving. need to discuss
mck: almost doubles as a breadcrumb - need to make sure that the page that's marked current is always visible
jongund: typical tree would have roving tabindex, but here tabindex=0 is staying on the item with aria-current=page
mck: I would like people to look
at this and experiment with it
... the problem we are trying to solve here is to help explain
where the page that is currently displaying is in the
tree
... similar to tablist - always make the displayed tabpanel's
tab have tabindex=0
... the difference is that tabs never disappear by being
collapsed
... sarah_higley, do we need to make sure that nothing gets
selected by default when we're using aria-current and not
aria-selected?
sarah_higley: I did some testing, and it's only lists that browsers add implicit aria-selected behavior
mck: ok, so we need accessibility
review, design review, and especially functional review
... I can do editorial review
jongund: I'd like design review for the visual styling of the item with aria-current. Currently is just a circle - need ideas to improve this.
carmacleod: mck did you have some examples that keep tabindex=0 on the current item?
mck: try outlook for web, maybe
gmail
... bocoup can help with code and test
... updating the indexes - quick question
https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1607
<jongund> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/aria-practices/index-with-hc/examples/index.html
currently using HC in the table for "High Contrast" - can we create another column
jongund: currently, the examples are in a list, so this would make table complicated
<Jemma> great job, Jon.
jongund: added a note at the top of the table
<Jemma> It had clear marking of HC for examples.
mck: ok, that's good.
https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1534
mck: valerie is looking for
feedback on 1534 - ideas for svg in codepen
... very small PR: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1593
- need a reviewer
<Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1584
<MarkMccarthy> I can take 1593
thanks Mark!
<Jemma> Thanks Mark.
jongund: maybe for 1534 we can put the SVG in the same directory as the CSS so it wouldn't need a relative path? I'll try it.
sarah_higley: I don't think anyone had any comments
jongund: I've been using this doc for any examples I've been updating
mck: jongund, should we go ahead and put this in the wiki?
jongund: sure. we should also update the example template page.
mck: in code-template subdir, under examples
<Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/1180#issuecomment-707949473
Jemma: Nick suggested we add this to contributing.md instead of the wiki
mck: let's put it on the wiki, and point to it in contributing.md
sarah_higley: I'll merge my wiki updates then
mck: thanks, Sarah!
+1
mck: is there anyone here who
didn't make it to the TPAC meeting on Oct 15?
...
https://www.w3.org/wiki/WAI/ARIA_APG_Redesign/#ARIA_APG_Redesign
... step 1 is getting out of TR, so only one place where they
exist - WAI site.
... so that people only have to go to one place to learn what
the best practices are for coding particular patterns
... need to rewrite work statement; should we keep the same
Task Force? Or do we need to create a joint Task Force?
... hoping to avoid unnecessary processes
meeting with Brant and Sharon to draft a new work statement
mck: hoping that 1.2 is the very
last thing we put in TR
... need to figure out how to do that with the minimum amount
of content change possible
... have some time set aside for Bocoup to look at this and put
together a plan
... after moving, we would be in continuous publishing mode,
pushing to live site.
... APG would essentially become "evergreen"
... anyone have any concerns?
... particularly about transition planning?
jongund: sounds good!
carmacleod: +1
jongund: need to mark some examples as "experimental" or something, when ARIA doesn't work well across UA/AT
mck: Sina and Prime Access Consulting will be focusing on the ARIA-AT work
<Jemma> Can we also work with mdn-browser-compat-data ("BCD") project so that browser+screen readers combination testing data can be feed into https://a11ysupport.io/?
carmacleod: cool!
mck: in terms of design, I think
we'll have a dsigner from Bocoup come up with a minimal
starting point
... also, I've been thinking about the information architecture
of the site
jongund: I'd like to be a part of it, but I think we are still missing important examples - errormessage on form controls for example
mck: let's spend some time next week talking about priorities
jamesn: I came across an excellent example of errormessage
carmacleod: do you have a link?
mck: yes, need to get screen readers to agree on what ought to happen, so it would be great to have an example that ARIA-AT can test
jongund: jamesn if you have a link, I'll take a look at it
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