<LisaSeemanKest> clear agenda
<LisaSeemanKest> scribe: jennie
Rachael: editorial review is
going slowly.
... Next task: finish the pass on E.A.'s work
... Then that should be ready
Lisa: Abi's finished her
pieces
... Merging it, which we need to do on a different call.
Justine: The icons are ready for
review.
... I sent a link to the list so everyone could take a
look.
<LisaSeemanKest> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2020Oct/0070.html
Lisa: This is the email
<Fazio> My Design Pattern Working Doc Accessible Authentication: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yjoap9cQ70IV0knZebSmH1V2BgSYqI4BY98PsozWumM/edit#
Lisa: I will add this to the agenda
Justine: I would happy to get the
graphic designer to make any modifications
... John K did not express any concerns
... I think we are ready for feedback from this group.
Lisa: The patterns
... Steve did some patterns
... I reviewed 3
... He should review the feedback before we move forward
David F: I pasted in the link of the one I am working on, and I am working on it
scribe: I'm ok if anyone wants to look at it
Lisa: Objective text - I had a
call with Betsy
... And the image subgroup, I saw that went out
<stevelee> https://github.com/w3c/coga/issues
Lisa: I will open an issue in github for where we can receive contributions
Jennie: I will ensure I understand how to work through this process
<stevelee> I agree GitHub issues are idea for such external contributions
Jennie: I can screenshot potential images into a Google doc when ready for review
Lisa: That sounds good
Steve: I think github fits well for having people contribute, and tracking issues
Lisa: We can also add the
comments list
... and then copy those over
... There are other items that are wish list items, and actions
for Roy
Roy: Michael mentioned he has some to share with me, and I will speak with him after
Lisa: There is also the User
Stories in Appendix A was linked to patterns, and changing the
style to hanging indent
... Are you ok with those as well?
Rachael: The last one was an issue placed in git by someone asked to have this so the text doesn't wrap around the images.
Roy: OK, I think I could
Michael: Give the image a (missed text) margin
Roy: OK
Michael: I did some of that in Silver if you want to look at that
Roy: There is also the TOC
Rachael: Abi and I discussed the glossary, but I have not confirmed it has been completed
Lisa: I will do an editorial pass
on Appendix B
... Anything else to add to the agenda?
Lisa: Alastair wrote an email to
the list to explain some terms
... I want to make sure that someone is responding.
... Perception processing limitations
... (reads through the email)
... Does anyone want to put in response?
... OK, I will
David F: Yes, I can respond
Lisa: great, I will respond too
Michael: I think one response would be less confusing
David F: OK, then I can
<LisaSeemanKest> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aRoYev1aAIHhIq37Itt96ueBwLh5zXMUeJBYxL0MCkQ/edit
Justine: The icons were custom created by a graphic designer in my organization
Lisa: Thank you Justine for getting these done
<LisaSeemanKest> https://www.w3.org/TR/coga-usable/#summary
Lisa: We got a comment from EO
that they did not find one of the original icons
understandable
... Do we think this is an improvement, and does it help
us
... +1 if you think it is an improvement
...Change: +1 if you are happy with this
* I'm opening the doc still
Justine: I kept the numbering the same from the summary in Content Usable
Lisa: I think we are a bit stuck
on this one, as nobody is responding
... This is a hard one
Rachael: What about a fingerprint?
Lisa: That to me would be identity
David F: A thumb's up?
scribe: Maybe a person shrugging with 2 thumb's up?
Justine: Maybe a confirm button followed by a submit button?
Jennie: Maybe symbols people know more regularly, like a checkbox, radio button, and a close button
Justine: I would be happy to have the graphic designer mock something up
Lisa: (moving to 3rd item) Are we comfortable with that one?
<LisaSeemanKest> tweek
<Fazio> p[
Lisa: I don't think it says it is easy to understand text
<Rachael> Jennie: These are really hard concepts to make icons for. I really appreciate you tackling it.
<Rachael> ...no strong opinion.
<Rachael> +1 to Justine taking this on! Thank you.
Rachael: Maybe instead of going 1
by 1, maybe we start with which ones we think are
successful
... Then we can identify what works well and move to the harder
concepts
Lisa: OK
<Rachael> +1 to the spilling cup
Lisa: I really like the liquid spilling out of the cup
Rachael: I like the spilling cup, the finger reminder
Lisa: OK 5, 7, 9 - can we agree on those?
<LisaSeemanKest> +1
<JustineP> +1
<Rachael> +1
I am +1 to 5 and 7
thinking about 9
Lisa: Let's leave that one for
now that is ok
... Let's focus on the other ones
... Let's look at 6
Justine: John K received feedback that the original image could be interpreted around firearms
David F: I think something around zooming in
Lisa: What about a magnifying glass with a cross
<Rachael> Jennie: I like the concept of the spotlight. I think its missing the end receiving focus.
<LisaSeemanKest> +1 to jennie
<Rachael> Justine: I think that's managable.
Jennie: could we have the spotlight focus on something?
Justine: I think I could have them mock that up, as well as something with a magnifying glass
David F: I think the magnifying glass may be confused with search
scribe: But I agree with Jennie - the beam focusing on something would be good
Justine: That's a good idea.
Lisa: 5 we are happy with, 6
needs a tweak
... (reviews #4 text)
... I liked what we had for #4
<Rachael> Jennie: Needs more time to think about it. May have different perspective. Take a few days to review.
David F: I like the idea of graph, but think adding an equal sign
scribe: to indicate deciphering
That's a good idea, David
Rachael: For the different ways
to understand content, I would love to see a camera filter,
where half looks one way, half looks other
... It is hard to do an icon
... in a small space
Lisa: What if we had a #1, a dot,
and a finger up
... 3 fingers and 3 dots
David F: Yes
scribe: I think we are all saying the same thing in different ways
Lisa: And maybe an arrow between the 3 representations of the same thing
Justine: What I am hearing is a #1 with a finger, what was the 3rd?
Lisa: A dot
<Rachael> Jennie: As we are discussing more complex icons and talkign with the graphic designer. Can the graphics be larger in the document? Can they have a specific space to help the designer?
Lisa: 3 ways of representing the
same thing
... We could make them bigger
Justine: We can use SVG that would support better scaling
Any minimum size recommendations from the designer?
<LisaSeemanKest> 3<=>***
Justine: No, but I would be happy to ask them to increase the size of the icons in general
Lisa: What if we just had 2 things
+1 to reducing how many components in the icon
<LisaSeemanKest> 3 ***
Michael: The graphical equivalent
of word smithing, and this overlaps other icons going on in
WAI
... I think we should try to coordinator on icons
... It might be better to have a similar style
Lisa: Shaun asked us to replace these
Michael: Did she provide guidance?
Rachael: I'm looking for it, and we can add it to the things we should talk about
Lisa: There was another comment from someone that said they were confusing, but others said they liked it
Michael: Maybe I need to look at
the comment
... I want to avoid graphical wordsmithing
Lisa: I think we can just tweak
#3 and then we have a better set than we have
... For #3 - I think it would be better if it was in the middle
of the text
... The blocks of text might be easier to understand
*Rachael can you take over scribing for me?
* thank you!
<Rachael> From the issue: "v.3. Icons in Summary. If you can develop meaningful, intuitive icons that support the concepts, then EOWG suggests that you use them throughout the document to help communicate the relationship of the information. (Given EOWG’s struggles with icons, we assume it is best to not try to have them at all.)"
<Rachael> Justine: We can wait for the conversation with Shawn and I can in the meantime ask the graphic artist to work on those we discussed
<Rachael> Lisa: We had ideas for 6 adn 4. We can wait until we have more feedback
<Rachael> ...We don't have edit access right now. Maybe give us comment access?
<Rachael> ...We'll get feedback from Michael. We have an editor's call now.
<LisaSeemanKest> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fc7TI8V6dNgFrD6wzGR8CjbbtO7Az0U-zYylrRSy8QQ/edit#heading=h.f830s7ypu4na
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