IRC log of dxwg on 2020-10-20

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chair: PWinstanley
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regrets+ antoine
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agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2020.10.20
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meeting: DXWG Plenary
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scribeNick: plh
20:07:58 [annette_g]
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agenda+ Admin
20:08:21 [PWinstanley]
https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2020.10.20
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agenda+ Keep the old REC path, or go with other alternatives?
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agenda+ DCAT versioning
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agenda+ Delivery of draft DCAT3 public work to the group - November 24
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agenda+ Subgroups Updates - report
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zakim, move to next agendum
20:08:59 [Zakim]
agendum 1. "Admin" taken up [from plh]
20:09:12 [PWinstanley]
https://www.w3.org/2020/10/06-dxwg-minutes
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--> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dxwg-wg/2020Oct/0027.html October 6 minutes
20:09:22 [riccardoAlbertoni]
+1
20:09:24 [Ana_]
+1
20:09:26 [plh]
Peter: can we accept the minutes from Octber 6?
20:09:27 [PWinstanley]
+1
20:09:28 [AndreaPerego]
+1
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+1
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Resolved: Minutes of October 6 approved
20:10:02 [AndreaPerego]
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20:10:05 [plh]
zakim, move to next agendum
20:10:05 [Zakim]
agendum 2. "Keep the old REC path, or go with other alternatives?" taken up [from plh]
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--> https://www.w3.org/2020/10/06-dxwg-minutes#t02 previous discussion
20:10:37 [plh]
Peter: any additional thought from the previous discussion?
20:10:45 [plh]
... any opinions?
20:10:47 [AndreaPerego]
May be worth updating annette_g who was not there.
20:10:49 [plh]
q?
20:10:59 [annette_g]
q+
20:11:05 [PWinstanley]
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20:11:21 [plh]
annette_g: we discussed this before. leaning towards a regular REC track
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... I'm leaning that way
20:11:57 [plh]
Peter: if you wanted to make corrections, you got a lot more flexibility with the living standard model
20:12:23 [plh]
... with DCAT in particular, a lot of large portions are progressing on their owns
20:12:53 [plh]
annette_g: for a data catalog, you want to provide some stability among datasets
20:13:22 [plh]
... for this, we'd want fewer versions. the main value for living standards is to develop features quickly
20:13:25 [riccardoAlbertoni]
+1 to annette_g ( I share the same concerns ...)
20:13:30 [plh]
... I don't get that sense in our ecosystem
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Peter: Ana?
20:13:49 [plh]
Ana: don't have any opinion
20:14:08 [plh]
Peter: might want to discuss this with Caroline and other colleagues
20:14:11 [plh]
Ana: will do
20:14:21 [AndreaPerego]
I tend to support annette_g 's position.
20:14:22 [plh]
Peter: Andrea?
20:14:26 [AndreaPerego]
I tend to support annette_g 's position.
20:14:53 [riccardoAlbertoni]
+q
20:14:58 [PWinstanley]
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20:15:00 [plh]
Peter: pretty much a consensus of the group. should we go broader to make sure folks are on board?
20:15:10 [AndreaPerego]
At least for DCAT, we should try to have the vote from all editors, at least.
20:15:24 [plh]
Riccardo: not sure I understood all of the implications. share same concern as Annette.
20:15:48 [Rachel]
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... considering the way we're proceeding with DCAT in last 3 months, we still use to get feedback before moving with the FPWD
20:16:05 [plh]
.... we discuss some of the items a lot but we want to double check the result of the discussion
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... so Working Draft is the way to go
20:16:32 [plh]
... at least in the short period, the usual process is more appropriate
20:16:43 [plh]
... but it will depend how we proceed forward and may change later
20:17:29 [PWinstanley]
plh: you can change your minds as a group, nothing is a permanent decision. You cannot add features, but corrections are fine
20:18:14 [plh]
Peter: ok, lots of good points made. we don't have Simon or Alejandra
20:18:27 [plh]
Peter: for conneg, it's more of a challenge. we have less and less contact
20:18:30 [plh]
... any thoughts?
20:18:36 [annette_g]
more people!
20:19:05 [plh]
Peter: a lot of people are signed up to this group but only a small fraction is active
20:19:05 [annette_g]
q+
20:19:10 [PWinstanley]
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20:19:50 [plh]
annette_g: lots of discussion in trying to get fresh blood into w3c
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... maybe that kind favor the idea of reaching out in different places
20:22:15 [plh]
Rachel: we need to find the big audience
20:22:44 [plh]
... maybe we can expect DCAT to be more used and beneficial to companies
20:23:18 [plh]
... the interest from our org was mainly interested in how other orgs are invested in W3C
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.... if we can map the interest and the profiles of the people involved
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... my suggestion is to do a bit of research
20:25:43 [plh]
Peter: tis is great but we've drawn a bit away from where we started
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... we need to poll a few more people before we decide how we move forward
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... but it's important we started this conversation
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... Annette and Riccardo brought important points
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zakim, move to next agendum
20:26:46 [Zakim]
agendum 3. "DCAT versioning" taken up [from plh]
20:26:46 [annette_g]
+1 to getting input from the rest of the group
20:26:49 [AndreaPerego]
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20:27:17 [AndreaPerego]
Current draft: https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/dcat/#dataset-versions
20:27:52 [plh]
AndreaPerego: we prepared this section following the discussion
20:28:21 [plh]
... we have version types: different types and relationships that people relate to vesioning
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... revisions of resources
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... new version of the same resource
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... dataset published on yearly basis
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... and the adaptation arrangement
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... then we have other versioning information
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... and last one is about life cycle
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... status that a resource can go through
20:30:07 [plh]
... so we captured what was discussed and waiting for feedback
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... would like some before the next DCAT call
20:30:27 [plh]
... we recognize that it's not perfect
20:30:41 [plh]
... still discussion happening on github
20:31:00 [plh]
... whether we have a formal definition and whether we give up
20:31:10 [plh]
... instead having community practices
20:31:46 [plh]
peter: so the idea would be to have a primer, some illustration on how it can be deployed in different context
20:31:54 [plh]
Andrea: possibly yes
20:32:06 [plh]
... in this case, it would be very useful
20:32:23 [plh]
Peter: yes, with real world examples
20:32:55 [plh]
...... first thing is to make you're reading through the proposal
20:33:08 [plh]
... and come back with feedback here or github
20:33:20 [plh]
... whether you agree with the approach or not
20:33:34 [plh]
... if you got real world examples for what we're doing, that would be useful
20:33:42 [plh]
... proposals for improvements are welcome
20:33:47 [riccardoAlbertoni]
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20:34:58 [plh]
Riccardo: about the primer and use cases, some documents are providing guidelines but very abstract. perhaps it would be useful to check recommendations and see how they do it
20:35:37 [plh]
Andrea: yes, it would be useful
20:36:11 [plh]
... a possible option to get from the DCAT community some use cases. people running catalogs in different countries
20:36:24 [plh]
.... maybe they can provide some real world examples
20:36:31 [plh]
Peter: would Nikos be the right person?
20:36:40 [plh]
Andrea: don't think he is involved anymore
20:36:56 [plh]
... we can get in touch with Bert (?)
20:37:48 [plh]
Riccardo: was looking at the thread on data series and we could ask them
20:38:07 [plh]
... we should draft an example in the wiki and then check with them
20:38:14 [plh]
.. to make sure we support their use cases
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... I can draft a wiki page
20:38:26 [plh]
Andrea: sure
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20:39:19 [AndreaPerego]
https://github.com/SEMICeu/DCAT-AP/issues/155#issuecomment-711944145
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20:39:31 [plh]
Andrea: found this discussion around DCAT AP
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... this is one of the examples
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... [reading from the issue: although administrations are encouraged, where possible, to limit the proliferation of datasets , in order to model their inter-relationships, some representation methods are listed below:]
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... depending on the requirements of the organizations and countries, they provide different guidelines
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... sometimes, they have no need to keep the older version
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... in some cases, if you keep the different versions of dataset or part of it, you get proliferation of dataset and people can get lost
20:42:02 [plh]
... this is one of the position in the community
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... but others are stricter
20:42:42 [plh]
Peter: maybe one of the area where the EU will have stricter requiremnts will be access to business strategies
20:43:02 [PWinstanley]
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zakim, move to next agendum
20:43:32 [Zakim]
agendum 4. "Delivery of draft DCAT3 public work to the group - November 24" taken up [from plh]
20:43:36 [AndreaPerego]
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20:44:06 [plh]
Riccardo: at the last DCAT call, we made progress on the DCAT planning
20:44:18 [plh]
... November 24 is to deliver the draft to the group
20:44:36 [plh]
... so we can assess if it is suitable for publication as FPWD
20:44:50 [plh]
... aggressive deadline but helpful
20:45:04 [plh]
... since it's a FPWD, it's fine if we don't address all of the issues
20:45:16 [plh]
... see https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/milestone/27
20:45:34 [plh]
... if we can solve the issues, we could include a link to the issues in the draf
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s/draf/draft/
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peter: point is to have a FPWD in time for Christmas break
20:46:04 [plh]
... and giving time to the WG to review the draft after Thanksgiving
20:46:14 [plh]
... any question?
20:46:22 [plh]
... can we decide on this?
20:46:49 [plh]
Proposal: accept November 24 as a target for delivery of FPWD draft
20:46:56 [AndreaPerego]
+1
20:47:00 [annette_g]
+1
20:47:01 [PWinstanley]
+1
20:47:01 [riccardoAlbertoni]
+1
20:47:06 [plh]
+1
20:47:07 [Rachel]
+1
20:47:18 [Ana_]
+1
20:47:24 [plh]
Resolved: November 24 is the target for FPWD draft proposal
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zakim, move to next agendum
20:47:43 [Zakim]
agendum 5. "Subgroups Updates - report" taken up [from plh]
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Peter: we won't get anything from conneg
20:47:59 [plh]
... we're updated on DCAT
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[adjourned]
20:48:14 [plh]
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20:48:16 [AndreaPerego]
Thanks. Bye bye
20:48:36 [riccardoAlbertoni]
Thanks, bye..
20:48:51 [Ana_]
yes I will talk with Caroline
20:48:55 [AndreaPerego]
Current discussion on versioning here: https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1251
20:48:59 [annette_g]
Thanks, all!
20:49:05 [Rachel]
thank you
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20:49:20 [Ana_]
See you all! Thank you!