IRC log of dxwg on 2020-10-20
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- chair: PWinstanley
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- regrets+ antoine
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- agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2020.10.20
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- meeting: DXWG Plenary
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- present+
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- 20:07:58 [annette_g]
- present+
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- agenda+ Admin
- 20:08:21 [PWinstanley]
- https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2020.10.20
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- agenda+ Keep the old REC path, or go with other alternatives?
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- agenda+ DCAT versioning
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- agenda+ Delivery of draft DCAT3 public work to the group - November 24
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- agenda+ Subgroups Updates - report
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- zakim, move to next agendum
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- agendum 1. "Admin" taken up [from plh]
- 20:09:12 [PWinstanley]
- https://www.w3.org/2020/10/06-dxwg-minutes
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- --> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dxwg-wg/2020Oct/0027.html October 6 minutes
- 20:09:22 [riccardoAlbertoni]
- +1
- 20:09:24 [Ana_]
- +1
- 20:09:26 [plh]
- Peter: can we accept the minutes from Octber 6?
- 20:09:27 [PWinstanley]
- +1
- 20:09:28 [AndreaPerego]
- +1
- 20:09:30 [plh]
- +1
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- Resolved: Minutes of October 6 approved
- 20:10:02 [AndreaPerego]
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- 20:10:05 [plh]
- zakim, move to next agendum
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- agendum 2. "Keep the old REC path, or go with other alternatives?" taken up [from plh]
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- --> https://www.w3.org/2020/10/06-dxwg-minutes#t02 previous discussion
- 20:10:37 [plh]
- Peter: any additional thought from the previous discussion?
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- ... any opinions?
- 20:10:47 [AndreaPerego]
- May be worth updating annette_g who was not there.
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- q?
- 20:10:59 [annette_g]
- q+
- 20:11:05 [PWinstanley]
- ack annette_g
- 20:11:21 [plh]
- annette_g: we discussed this before. leaning towards a regular REC track
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- ... I'm leaning that way
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- Peter: if you wanted to make corrections, you got a lot more flexibility with the living standard model
- 20:12:23 [plh]
- ... with DCAT in particular, a lot of large portions are progressing on their owns
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- annette_g: for a data catalog, you want to provide some stability among datasets
- 20:13:22 [plh]
- ... for this, we'd want fewer versions. the main value for living standards is to develop features quickly
- 20:13:25 [riccardoAlbertoni]
- +1 to annette_g ( I share the same concerns ...)
- 20:13:30 [plh]
- ... I don't get that sense in our ecosystem
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- Peter: Ana?
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- Ana: don't have any opinion
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- Peter: might want to discuss this with Caroline and other colleagues
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- Ana: will do
- 20:14:21 [AndreaPerego]
- I tend to support annette_g 's position.
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- Peter: Andrea?
- 20:14:26 [AndreaPerego]
- I tend to support annette_g 's position.
- 20:14:53 [riccardoAlbertoni]
- +q
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- ack riccardoAlbertoni
- 20:15:00 [plh]
- Peter: pretty much a consensus of the group. should we go broader to make sure folks are on board?
- 20:15:10 [AndreaPerego]
- At least for DCAT, we should try to have the vote from all editors, at least.
- 20:15:24 [plh]
- Riccardo: not sure I understood all of the implications. share same concern as Annette.
- 20:15:48 [Rachel]
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- ... considering the way we're proceeding with DCAT in last 3 months, we still use to get feedback before moving with the FPWD
- 20:16:05 [plh]
- .... we discuss some of the items a lot but we want to double check the result of the discussion
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- ... so Working Draft is the way to go
- 20:16:32 [plh]
- ... at least in the short period, the usual process is more appropriate
- 20:16:43 [plh]
- ... but it will depend how we proceed forward and may change later
- 20:17:29 [PWinstanley]
- plh: you can change your minds as a group, nothing is a permanent decision. You cannot add features, but corrections are fine
- 20:18:14 [plh]
- Peter: ok, lots of good points made. we don't have Simon or Alejandra
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- Peter: for conneg, it's more of a challenge. we have less and less contact
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- ... any thoughts?
- 20:18:36 [annette_g]
- more people!
- 20:19:05 [plh]
- Peter: a lot of people are signed up to this group but only a small fraction is active
- 20:19:05 [annette_g]
- q+
- 20:19:10 [PWinstanley]
- ack annette_g
- 20:19:50 [plh]
- annette_g: lots of discussion in trying to get fresh blood into w3c
- 20:20:04 [plh]
- ... maybe that kind favor the idea of reaching out in different places
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- Rachel: we need to find the big audience
- 20:22:44 [plh]
- ... maybe we can expect DCAT to be more used and beneficial to companies
- 20:23:18 [plh]
- ... the interest from our org was mainly interested in how other orgs are invested in W3C
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- .... if we can map the interest and the profiles of the people involved
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- ... my suggestion is to do a bit of research
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- Peter: tis is great but we've drawn a bit away from where we started
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- ... we need to poll a few more people before we decide how we move forward
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- ... but it's important we started this conversation
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- ... Annette and Riccardo brought important points
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- zakim, move to next agendum
- 20:26:46 [Zakim]
- agendum 3. "DCAT versioning" taken up [from plh]
- 20:26:46 [annette_g]
- +1 to getting input from the rest of the group
- 20:26:49 [AndreaPerego]
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- 20:27:17 [AndreaPerego]
- Current draft: https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/dcat/#dataset-versions
- 20:27:52 [plh]
- AndreaPerego: we prepared this section following the discussion
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- ... we have version types: different types and relationships that people relate to vesioning
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- ... revisions of resources
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- ... new version of the same resource
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- ... dataset published on yearly basis
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- ... and the adaptation arrangement
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- ... then we have other versioning information
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- ... and last one is about life cycle
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- ... status that a resource can go through
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- ... so we captured what was discussed and waiting for feedback
- 20:30:20 [plh]
- ... would like some before the next DCAT call
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- ... we recognize that it's not perfect
- 20:30:41 [plh]
- ... still discussion happening on github
- 20:31:00 [plh]
- ... whether we have a formal definition and whether we give up
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- ... instead having community practices
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- peter: so the idea would be to have a primer, some illustration on how it can be deployed in different context
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- Andrea: possibly yes
- 20:32:06 [plh]
- ... in this case, it would be very useful
- 20:32:23 [plh]
- Peter: yes, with real world examples
- 20:32:55 [plh]
- ...... first thing is to make you're reading through the proposal
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- ... and come back with feedback here or github
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- ... whether you agree with the approach or not
- 20:33:34 [plh]
- ... if you got real world examples for what we're doing, that would be useful
- 20:33:42 [plh]
- ... proposals for improvements are welcome
- 20:33:47 [riccardoAlbertoni]
- +q
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- ack riccardoAlbertoni
- 20:33:57 [PWinstanley]
- ack riccardoAlbertoni
- 20:34:58 [plh]
- Riccardo: about the primer and use cases, some documents are providing guidelines but very abstract. perhaps it would be useful to check recommendations and see how they do it
- 20:35:37 [plh]
- Andrea: yes, it would be useful
- 20:36:11 [plh]
- ... a possible option to get from the DCAT community some use cases. people running catalogs in different countries
- 20:36:24 [plh]
- .... maybe they can provide some real world examples
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- Peter: would Nikos be the right person?
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- Andrea: don't think he is involved anymore
- 20:36:56 [plh]
- ... we can get in touch with Bert (?)
- 20:37:48 [plh]
- Riccardo: was looking at the thread on data series and we could ask them
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- ... we should draft an example in the wiki and then check with them
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- .. to make sure we support their use cases
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- ... I can draft a wiki page
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- Andrea: sure
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- https://github.com/SEMICeu/DCAT-AP/issues/155#issuecomment-711944145
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- 20:39:31 [plh]
- Andrea: found this discussion around DCAT AP
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- ... this is one of the examples
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- ... [reading from the issue: although administrations are encouraged, where possible, to limit the proliferation of datasets , in order to model their inter-relationships, some representation methods are listed below:]
- 20:41:11 [plh]
- ... depending on the requirements of the organizations and countries, they provide different guidelines
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- ... sometimes, they have no need to keep the older version
- 20:41:49 [plh]
- ... in some cases, if you keep the different versions of dataset or part of it, you get proliferation of dataset and people can get lost
- 20:42:02 [plh]
- ... this is one of the position in the community
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- ... but others are stricter
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- Peter: maybe one of the area where the EU will have stricter requiremnts will be access to business strategies
- 20:43:02 [PWinstanley]
- s/strategies/registries/
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- s/mnts/ments/
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- zakim, move to next agendum
- 20:43:32 [Zakim]
- agendum 4. "Delivery of draft DCAT3 public work to the group - November 24" taken up [from plh]
- 20:43:36 [AndreaPerego]
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- 20:44:06 [plh]
- Riccardo: at the last DCAT call, we made progress on the DCAT planning
- 20:44:18 [plh]
- ... November 24 is to deliver the draft to the group
- 20:44:36 [plh]
- ... so we can assess if it is suitable for publication as FPWD
- 20:44:50 [plh]
- ... aggressive deadline but helpful
- 20:45:04 [plh]
- ... since it's a FPWD, it's fine if we don't address all of the issues
- 20:45:16 [plh]
- ... see https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/milestone/27
- 20:45:34 [plh]
- ... if we can solve the issues, we could include a link to the issues in the draf
- 20:45:38 [plh]
- s/draf/draft/
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- peter: point is to have a FPWD in time for Christmas break
- 20:46:04 [plh]
- ... and giving time to the WG to review the draft after Thanksgiving
- 20:46:14 [plh]
- ... any question?
- 20:46:22 [plh]
- ... can we decide on this?
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- Proposal: accept November 24 as a target for delivery of FPWD draft
- 20:46:56 [AndreaPerego]
- +1
- 20:47:00 [annette_g]
- +1
- 20:47:01 [PWinstanley]
- +1
- 20:47:01 [riccardoAlbertoni]
- +1
- 20:47:06 [plh]
- +1
- 20:47:07 [Rachel]
- +1
- 20:47:18 [Ana_]
- +1
- 20:47:24 [plh]
- Resolved: November 24 is the target for FPWD draft proposal
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- zakim, move to next agendum
- 20:47:43 [Zakim]
- agendum 5. "Subgroups Updates - report" taken up [from plh]
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- Peter: we won't get anything from conneg
- 20:47:59 [plh]
- ... we're updated on DCAT
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- [adjourned]
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- 20:48:16 [AndreaPerego]
- Thanks. Bye bye
- 20:48:36 [riccardoAlbertoni]
- Thanks, bye..
- 20:48:51 [Ana_]
- yes I will talk with Caroline
- 20:48:55 [AndreaPerego]
- Current discussion on versioning here: https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1251
- 20:48:59 [annette_g]
- Thanks, all!
- 20:49:05 [Rachel]
- thank you
- 20:49:12 [PWinstanley]
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- 20:49:20 [Ana_]
- See you all! Thank you!