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19:51:37 <PWinstanley> chair: PWinstanley
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19:52:02 <PWinstanley> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2020.10.20
19:52:09 <PWinstanley> meeting: DXWG Plenary
19:52:33 <PWinstanley> present+
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20:07:57 <plh> scribeNick: plh
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20:08:16 <plh> agenda+ Admin
20:08:21 <PWinstanley> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2020.10.20
20:08:24 <plh> agenda+ Keep the old REC path, or go with other alternatives?
20:08:33 <plh> agenda+ DCAT versioning
20:08:44 <plh> agenda+ Delivery of draft DCAT3 public work to the group - November 24
20:08:56 <plh> agenda+ Subgroups Updates - report
20:08:59 <plh> zakim, move to next agendum
20:08:59 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Admin" taken up [from plh]
20:09:12 <PWinstanley> https://www.w3.org/2020/10/06-dxwg-minutes
20:09:16 <plh> --> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dxwg-wg/2020Oct/0027.html October 6 minutes
20:09:22 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
20:09:24 <Ana_> +1
20:09:26 <plh> Peter: can we accept the minutes from Octber 6?
20:09:27 <PWinstanley> +1
20:09:28 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:09:30 <plh> +1
20:09:51 <plh> Resolved: Minutes of October 6 approved
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20:10:05 <plh> zakim, move to next agendum
20:10:05 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Keep the old REC path, or go with other alternatives?" taken up [from plh]
20:10:19 <plh> --> https://www.w3.org/2020/10/06-dxwg-minutes#t02 previous discussion
20:10:37 <plh> Peter: any additional thought from the previous discussion?
20:10:45 <plh> ... any opinions?
20:10:47 <AndreaPerego> May be worth updating annette_g who was not there.
20:10:49 <plh> q?
20:10:59 <annette_g> q+
20:11:05 <PWinstanley> ack annette_g
20:11:21 <plh> annette_g: we discussed this before. leaning towards a regular REC track
20:11:31 <plh> ... I'm leaning that way
20:11:57 <plh> Peter: if you wanted to make corrections, you got a lot more flexibility with the living standard model
20:12:23 <plh> ... with DCAT in particular, a lot of large portions are progressing on their owns
20:12:53 <plh> annette_g: for a data catalog, you want to provide some stability among datasets
20:13:22 <plh> ... for this, we'd want fewer versions. the main value for living standards is to develop features quickly
20:13:25 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1 to annette_g ( I share the same concerns ...)
20:13:30 <plh> ... I don't get that sense in our ecosystem
20:13:41 <plh> Peter: Ana?
20:13:49 <plh> Ana: don't have any opinion
20:14:08 <plh> Peter: might want to discuss this with Caroline and other colleagues
20:14:11 <plh> Ana: will do
20:14:21 <AndreaPerego> I tend to support annette_g 's position.
20:14:22 <plh> Peter: Andrea?
20:14:26 <AndreaPerego> I tend to support annette_g 's position.
20:14:53 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
20:14:58 <PWinstanley> ack riccardoAlbertoni
20:15:00 <plh> Peter: pretty much a consensus of the group. should we go broader to make sure folks are on board?
20:15:10 <AndreaPerego> At least for DCAT, we should try to have the vote from all editors, at least.
20:15:24 <plh> Riccardo: not sure I understood all of the implications. share same concern as Annette.
20:15:48 <Rachel> Rachel has joined #dxwg
20:15:49 <plh> ... considering the way we're proceeding with DCAT in last 3 months, we still use to get feedback before moving with the FPWD
20:16:05 <plh> .... we discuss some of the items a lot but we want to double check the result of the discussion
20:16:17 <plh> ... so Working Draft is the way to go
20:16:32 <plh> ... at least in the short period, the usual process is more appropriate
20:16:43 <plh> ... but it will depend how we proceed forward and may change later
20:17:29 <PWinstanley> plh: you can change your minds as a group, nothing is a permanent decision.  You cannot add features, but corrections are fine
20:18:14 <plh> Peter: ok, lots of good points made. we don't have Simon or Alejandra
20:18:27 <plh> Peter: for conneg, it's more of a challenge. we have less and less contact
20:18:30 <plh> ... any thoughts?
20:18:36 <annette_g> more people!
20:19:05 <plh> Peter: a lot of people are signed up to this group but only a small fraction is active
20:19:05 <annette_g> q+
20:19:10 <PWinstanley> ack annette_g
20:19:50 <plh> annette_g: lots of discussion in trying to get fresh blood into w3c
20:20:04 <plh> ... maybe that kind favor the idea of reaching out in different places
20:22:15 <plh> Rachel: we need to find the big audience
20:22:44 <plh> ... maybe we can expect DCAT to be more used and beneficial to companies
20:23:18 <plh> ... the interest from our org was mainly interested in how other orgs are invested in W3C
20:23:49 <plh> .... if we can map the interest and the profiles of the people involved
20:24:28 <plh> ... my suggestion is to do a bit of research
20:25:43 <plh> Peter: tis is great but we've drawn a bit away from where we started
20:25:59 <plh> ... we need to poll a few more people before we decide how we move forward
20:26:12 <plh> ... but it's important we started this conversation
20:26:22 <plh> ... Annette and Riccardo brought important points
20:26:45 <plh> zakim, move to next agendum
20:26:46 <Zakim> agendum 3. "DCAT versioning" taken up [from plh]
20:26:46 <annette_g> +1 to getting input from the rest of the group
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20:27:17 <AndreaPerego> Current draft: https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/dcat/#dataset-versions
20:27:52 <plh> AndreaPerego: we prepared this section following the discussion
20:28:21 <plh> ... we have version types: different types and relationships that people relate to vesioning
20:28:27 <plh> ... revisions of resources
20:28:35 <plh> ... new version of the same resource
20:28:44 <plh> ... dataset published on yearly basis
20:29:00 <plh> ... and the adaptation arrangement
20:29:12 <plh> ... then we have other versioning information
20:29:28 <plh> ... and last one is about life cycle
20:29:37 <plh> ... status that a resource can go through
20:30:07 <plh> ... so we captured what was discussed and waiting for feedback
20:30:20 <plh> ... would like some before the next DCAT call
20:30:27 <plh> ... we recognize that it's not perfect
20:30:41 <plh> ... still discussion happening on github
20:31:00 <plh> ... whether we have a formal definition and whether we give up
20:31:10 <plh> ... instead having community practices
20:31:46 <plh> peter: so the idea would be to have a primer, some illustration on how it can be deployed in different context
20:31:54 <plh> Andrea: possibly yes
20:32:06 <plh> ... in this case, it would be very useful
20:32:23 <plh> Peter: yes, with real world examples
20:32:55 <plh> ...... first thing is to make you're reading through the proposal
20:33:08 <plh> ... and come back with feedback here or github
20:33:20 <plh> ... whether you agree with the approach or not
20:33:34 <plh> ... if you got real world examples for what we're doing, that would be useful
20:33:42 <plh> ... proposals for improvements are welcome
20:33:47 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
20:33:56 <plh> ack riccardoAlbertoni
20:33:57 <PWinstanley> ack riccardoAlbertoni
20:34:58 <plh> Riccardo: about the primer and use cases, some documents are providing guidelines but very abstract. perhaps it would be useful to check recommendations and see how they do it
20:35:37 <plh> Andrea: yes, it would be useful
20:36:11 <plh> ... a possible option to get from the DCAT community some use cases. people running catalogs in different countries
20:36:24 <plh> .... maybe they can provide some real world examples
20:36:31 <plh> Peter: would Nikos be the right person?
20:36:40 <plh> Andrea: don't think he is involved anymore
20:36:56 <plh> ... we can get in touch with Bert (?)
20:37:48 <plh> Riccardo: was looking at the thread on data series and we could ask them
20:38:07 <plh> ... we should draft an example in the wiki and then check with them
20:38:14 <plh> .. to make sure we support their use cases
20:38:22 <plh> ... I can draft a wiki page
20:38:26 <plh> Andrea: sure
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20:39:19 <AndreaPerego> https://github.com/SEMICeu/DCAT-AP/issues/155#issuecomment-711944145
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20:39:31 <plh> Andrea: found this discussion around DCAT AP
20:40:03 <plh> ... this is one of the examples
20:40:49 <plh> ... [reading from the issue: although administrations are encouraged, where possible, to limit the proliferation of datasets , in order to model their inter-relationships, some representation methods are listed below:]
20:41:11 <plh> ... depending on the requirements of the organizations and countries, they provide different guidelines
20:41:21 <plh> ... sometimes, they have no need to keep the older version
20:41:49 <plh> ... in some cases, if you keep the different versions of dataset or part of it, you get proliferation of dataset and people can get lost
20:42:02 <plh> ... this is one of the position in the community
20:42:07 <plh> ... but others are stricter
20:42:42 <plh> Peter: maybe one of the area where the EU will have stricter requiremnts will be access to business strategies
20:43:02 <PWinstanley> s/strategies/registries/
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20:43:32 <plh> zakim, move to next agendum
20:43:32 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Delivery of draft DCAT3 public work to the group - November 24" taken up [from plh]
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20:44:06 <plh> Riccardo: at the last DCAT call, we made progress on the DCAT planning
20:44:18 <plh> ... November 24 is to deliver the draft to the group
20:44:36 <plh> ... so we can assess if it is suitable for publication as FPWD
20:44:50 <plh> ... aggressive deadline but helpful
20:45:04 <plh> ... since it's a FPWD, it's fine if we don't address all of the issues
20:45:16 <plh> ... see https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/milestone/27
20:45:34 <plh> ... if we can solve the issues, we could include a link to the issues in the draf
20:45:38 <plh> s/draf/draft/
20:45:51 <plh> peter: point is to have a FPWD in time for Christmas break
20:46:04 <plh> ... and giving time to the WG to review the draft after Thanksgiving
20:46:14 <plh> ... any question?
20:46:22 <plh> ... can we decide on this?
20:46:49 <plh> Proposal: accept November 24 as a target for delivery of FPWD draft
20:46:56 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:47:00 <annette_g> +1
20:47:01 <PWinstanley> +1
20:47:01 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
20:47:06 <plh> +1
20:47:07 <Rachel> +1
20:47:18 <Ana_> +1
20:47:24 <plh> Resolved: November 24 is the target for FPWD draft proposal
20:47:43 <plh> zakim, move to next agendum
20:47:43 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Subgroups Updates - report" taken up [from plh]
20:47:51 <plh> Peter: we won't get anything from conneg
20:47:59 <plh> ... we're updated on DCAT
20:48:08 <plh> [adjourned]
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20:48:16 <AndreaPerego> Thanks. Bye bye
20:48:36 <riccardoAlbertoni> Thanks, bye..
20:48:51 <Ana_> yes I will talk with Caroline
20:48:55 <AndreaPerego> Current discussion on versioning here: https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1251
20:48:59 <annette_g> Thanks, all!
20:49:05 <Rachel> thank you
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20:49:20 <Ana_> See you all! Thank you!