<Chuck> meeting: SILVER-2020-10-16
https://www.jacktrip.org/index.html
<scribe> scribe: sajkaj
<scribe> chair: Chuck
ca: Notes lots of regrets today
<Chuck> PK: PK attended epub.
pk: attended epub
... review of upcoming APA specs, Personalization and
Pronunciation
... Videos are available
... Personalization is people with COGA, emphasis on AAC
<PeterKorn> https://www.w3.org/2020/10/TPAC/apa-personalization.html
<PeterKorn> https://w3c.github.io/personalization-semantics/
<PeterKorn> https://www.w3.org/2020/10/TPAC/apa-pronunciation.html
pk: Next Pronunciation ...
<PeterKorn> https://www.w3.org/TR/pronunciation-gap-analysis-and-use-cases/#gap-analysis
pk: Looked at CSS-Speech vs a new
SSML approach
... gap analysis exists
... also video
... at an architectural impass right now
... Personal view is that machine learning may help resolve
much of this
... Taking the time may be lots of time for possibly low
adoption vs ml approaches may suggest ROI eval on a more a11y
approach now
... So unsure re ROI
ca: Was this mostly informative?
pk: Jeanne was present, believe
forshadowing of potential requests for Silver
... Not a ready to digest enumerated list
sl +1 to pk
<Chuck> sajkaj: This was useful for Silver because it also involves ePUb.
<Chuck> sajkaj: I think apa's expectations are that earlier uptakes are likely to come in the ePub environment.
<Chuck> sajkaj: Once that happens then there will be a silver interest.
<Chuck> +1 Michael
mc: Silver would want to say "make sure it's pronounced correctly" regardless of how achieved
pk: notes multiple methods
mc: And silver might not care on method
<Lauriat> +1 to Michael
pk: but how a11y supported do you need? Eloquence sits on small devices and doesn't get lots right
ca: Probably not the time to resolve this!
<Chuck> sajkaj: XR was very informative. Didn't run full hour. "We" did most of talking. Current status of xr user requirements.
<Chuck> sajkaj: We asked for review because we are finished. Coga concerned that it was missed.
<Chuck> sajkaj: Mike Crabb was on call and discussed work of Silver captioning and how it's fitting into fpwd, covering emerging tech.
<Chuck> sajkaj: Pointed us to a spec (will paste in later). A dom spec for xr that Mike Crabb looked, thought it was very promissing.
<Chuck> sajkaj: Media Synchronization. This bubbled up from APA.
<Chuck> sajkaj: I did some investigation, there are places where there could be issues, we wanted to talk to people that are interested.
<Chuck> sajkaj: Nigel from BBC interested (timetext), looked at it independently. How tight do you need to be synced to be comprehensible?
<Chuck> sajkaj: We've seen multiple definitions, it's asometric. Most are lip readers without ever realizing they do that.
<Chuck> sajkaj: If you have someone who was hearing, as they age and lost hearing, they rely more and more on lip reading. Getting the sync in the right window matters.
<Chuck> sajkaj: ... provides sync down to the milisecond.
<Chuck> sajkaj: Needs to be some work there.
<Chuck> sajkaj: I learned, somebody has implemented a described video when it's texted, and not pre-recorded, a way to work that into the gaps of speech.
<Chuck> sajkaj: This is what we thought would be useful.
<Chuck> sajkaj: We agreed to continue to research to come up with numbers and use cases, and justifications from research.
<Chuck> sajkaj: Nigel was asking for more info.
<Chuck> sajkaj: Next step goes back to apa.
ca: notes a personal advisory
that I lip read--was stunned
... Notes masks over faces has made an impact also
k: one additional in epub/silver ...
<PeterKorn> https://github.com/w3c/publ-a11y/wiki/Publishing-issues-for-Silver
pk: epub wants certain things in silver
<PeterKorn> https://w3c.github.io/publ-epub-revision/epub33/a11y/
pk: they have a wish list
... concerned me personally -- everything wcag may not be
optimal
... believe much of epub may not be a good fit or as important
on the web in general, eg glossary
... we will need to work this out with them
... how to deal where something is important in an epub but
maybe not beyond
ca: we'll touch on that certainly and in item 3
pk: phps item 3 first?
ca: not really a lull, but things
seem to be calmed for now
... remaining issues on AGWG Tuesday
... So what next here?
... mindful CfC on FPWD still outstanding
pk: Substantial Conformance might
ber one, first meeting of subgroup next Thursday
... phps something to bring back in 3-4 weeks
ca: asks pk specifically on current topic -- anything else for now?
pk: not sure how much before
public feedback
... certainly plenty on additional guidelines which needn't
wait on feedback
... COGA may be most meaty to develop our spoons approach
<Lauriat> +1 on additional guidelines happening in parallel to other topics, we have quite a lot remaining to migrate: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aCRXrtmnSSTso-6S_IO9GQ3AKTB4FYt9k92eT_1PWX4/edit
sl: Notes above link of migration
map to work through
... some things to work out, eg. pre-recorded vs live
ca: Recalls pk suggestion to wait
for public feedback before taking on more
... see that as wisdom
<Chuck> sajkaj: Reason why it might be important to wait for feedback is that we might discover a fundamental problem that impacts the remainder of our work. Just off the top of my head.
ca: brief reminder -- much has
been ongoing
... hope to go to CfC after Tuesday AG call
<MichaelC> https://w3c.github.io/silver/guidelines/
mc: Jeanne and Rachael have done
most of the content; me the editorial ...
... some things shifted around
... each guideline may have multiple outcomes now
... methods now not in doc
[mc reviews current document structure]
rm: suggest reading editorial
notes because they've evolved and are important
... they provide context and frame questions
... please look that things fit and make sense on the whole
[ca reviews above for rm]
<Chuck> sajkaj: I cannot pull from the repository, getting errored out on commit. Logs say latest commits are from Michael.
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