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15:01:00 <Zakim> Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
15:01:11 <nigel> nigel has changed the topic to: TTWG Teleconference. Agenda for 2020-10-01 1500 UTC meeting: https://github.com/w3c/ttwg/issues/149
15:01:19 <nigel> Agenda: https://github.com/w3c/ttwg/issues/149
15:01:34 <nigel> Previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2020/09/17-tt-minutes.html
15:04:06 <Mike> Mike has joined #tt
15:04:06 <atsushi> will join shortly (hopefully).... (still in previous call
15:04:22 <cyril> cyril has joined #tt
15:05:56 <nigel> Present: Andreas, Cyril, Gary, Mike, Nigel, Pierre
15:06:01 <nigel> Chair: Gary, Nigel
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15:06:26 <cyril> scribe: Cyril
15:06:35 <cyril> Topic: this meeting
15:06:57 <cyril> nigel: we have a placeholder for the IR of TTML2 2nd Ed IR
15:07:09 <cyril> ... we have our fun issue of tts:direction
15:07:18 <cyril> ... next call is dedicated to that particular issue
15:07:32 <cyril> ... then TPAC planning is getting close
15:07:53 <cyril> ... then we have an agenda item for TTML Profile Registry
15:08:02 <cyril> ... but we haven't got the PR to process
15:08:10 <atsushi> present+
15:08:12 <cyril> Mike: the PR you did nigel was more important
15:08:16 <nigel> Present+ Atsushi
15:08:25 <cyril> ... I see the issue that I have useful but not critical, I will get to it
15:08:37 <cyril> nigel: we could decide to publish without waiting
15:08:41 <cyril> Mike: I'll support that
15:09:07 <cyril> nigel: I made a proposal a few weeks back about the header matter that we use and the use of /history
15:09:23 <cyril> ... it got thumbs ups but I want to turn it into a call for consensus
15:09:37 <cyril> nigel: in AOB, we have a DST switch soon
15:09:44 <cyril> ... I might a proposal
15:09:54 <cyril> s/might/made/
15:09:57 <cyril> ... anything else
15:10:03 <cyril> ...?
15:10:14 <cyril> ... no, let's move on
15:10:20 <cyril> Topic: TTML2 2n Ed
15:10:33 <cyril> nigel: Glenn updated the IR earlier in the week
15:10:43 <cyril> ... sharing that his implementation passes all the validation tests
15:10:50 <cyril> ... he's moving on to the presentation tests next
15:10:56 <cyril> ... that's 1 implementation
15:11:10 <cyril> ... I don't know what's the likelihood of having a 2nd implementation
15:11:24 <cyril> ... it's getting to the point where we need to look into it
15:11:37 <cyril> ... I encourage everybody to look into that
15:11:51 <cyril> ... we'll review in 2 meetings
15:12:15 <cyril> ... there is a placeholder for tts:direction and tts:writingMode
15:12:28 <cyril> pal: I read the entire thread
15:12:39 <cyril> ... and it comes down to the statement from Glenn
15:12:46 <cyril> ... that it cannot be mapped to CSS
15:13:01 <cyril> ... I'm preparing an example and if I'm proven wrong we can move on
15:13:23 <cyril> cyril: I have a conflict next week
15:13:50 <cyril> pal: I don't think it's going to work
15:13:57 <cyril> nigel: not ideal ...
15:14:03 <cyril> pal: we could push it back
15:14:22 <cyril> nigel: I wondered if it was a topic to raise in the joint call with CSS
15:14:37 <cyril> ... they've thought about it carefully and we need to understand it
15:15:02 <atai> q+
15:15:20 <cyril> cyril: Glenn's presence is more important than mine
15:15:26 <nigel> ack atai
15:15:41 <cyril> atai: AFAIK, pierre's goal was to reach a conclusion next week
15:16:02 <cyril> ... if you agree that we can have a tentative conclusion
15:16:14 <cyril> ... we should get an agreement with those in the call next week
15:16:30 <cyril> nigel: we'll discuss with whoever is available next week
15:16:53 <cyril> ... and then discuss it with CSS
15:17:33 <cyril> pal: I think without cyril present we won't be able to reach a conclusion
15:18:08 <cyril> cyril: I'm sure you can reach a decision without me
15:18:30 <cyril> pal: the results of the discussion will likely be implemented in imsc.js
15:18:49 <cyril> ... and I wouldn't want your colleagues to say they disagree with it
15:19:04 <cyril> nigel: it is a complicated area that needs careful thought
15:19:16 <cyril> ... we need to unpack and understand why we are doing things differently from CSS
15:19:45 <cyril> Topic: Virtual TPAC 2020 Planning
15:20:09 <cyril> nigel: we need to solidify the set of topics we want to discuss in our joint meetings
15:20:32 <cyril> ... the APA discussion, they've invited us to that, so they will lead the discussion, we don't need to drive the agenda
15:20:42 <cyril> ... the CSS discussion, we have issue 140
15:21:01 <cyril> ... we've got the viewport unit issue in WebVTT
15:21:18 <cyril> ... and I will add TTML2 1211
15:21:48 <cyril> ... if anybody has any others, please add them in the next few days to issue 140
15:22:06 <cyril> and finally, we are tracking the joint meeting with MEIG and Media WG
15:22:10 <cyril> with issue 139
15:22:28 <cyril> ... the agenda for that is not yet there?
15:22:43 <cyril> ... there are 6 chairs
15:23:02 <cyril> ... we will need to select 1 chair driving the meeting
15:23:12 <cyril> ... and we need the chairs to come up with an agenda
15:23:58 <cyril> nigel: I discussed with Chris and it's my job to distribute the information to this group
15:24:24 <cyril> ... I don't have an opinion about which chair should do it
15:24:33 <cyril> ... there are many joint meetings going on and not much for us
15:24:40 <cyril> ... happy in any chair steps in
15:24:45 <cyril> ... we scheduled that for 2h
15:25:06 <cyril> ... we expect several topics: data cue, text track cue end time, text track cue HTML api ...
15:25:21 <cyril> ... when there is api changes, we need to decide which group should do
15:25:37 <cyril> ... and given that we don't do much APIs, I think it'd be better done in the Media WG
15:25:47 <cyril> ... the other topic is exposing cues through MSE
15:26:00 <cyril> ... that's all from memory, let me confirm
15:26:08 <cyril> ... anything else?
15:27:09 <cyril> ... we don't have a group meeting scheduled at TPAC
15:27:21 <cyril> cyril: we meet every week, TPAC or not TPAC
15:27:40 <cyril> nigel: I have created issues for meetings on the 15th and 22nd
15:27:44 <cyril> .. for regular calls
15:27:56 <atsushi> summary on joint at https://github.com/w3c/ttwg/issues/141
15:27:58 <cyril> ... but it does not mean we need to have them if they clash with other TPAC meetings
15:28:13 <cyril> ... if anybody has any clash, that's fine, let me know
15:28:49 <cyril> ... I'm proposing that the week of the TPAC breakout session, our meeting will clash and it's the week of the DST transition
15:29:00 <cyril> ... I'm proposing that we don't hold our meeting
15:29:06 <cyril> cyril: fine with me
15:29:32 <cyril> Topic: TTML Profiles Registry
15:30:02 <cyril> nigel: the situation is: we have no open PR, we have 1 issue about the wrong edition of TTML1 being cited, there is a respec warning on the editor's draft
15:30:13 <cyril> ... because the version of respec has been deprecated
15:30:48 <cyril> ... and there is the other issue from Mike, about the MIME codecs parameters from ISOBMFF
15:30:59 <cyril> ... my proposal is to fix the edition and respec version
15:31:10 <cyril> ... and then publish the result of that as a new WG note
15:31:15 <cyril> Mike: good to me
15:31:44 <cyril> nigel: I will do the tweaks first and do the CfC over the reflector
15:32:04 <cyril> Mike: they are clearly editorial, we could start the clock today
15:32:07 <cyril> nigel: indeed
15:33:00 <cyril> ... just looked at the issue again, do we need to make that change (issue #77 in TTWG)
15:34:36 <cyril> ... the text in the profile registry under media type registration says : this updated registration supercedes the one in TTML1 1st ed after updated by TTML1 2nd ed
15:34:48 <cyril> ... the text is actually factually accurate
15:35:05 <cyril> .. however there is a reference from the profile parameter to the ttp:profile attribute
15:35:16 <cyril> ... and that should be updated to point to the 3rd edition
15:35:32 <nigel> > This updated definition supersedes the initial registration information specified in [TTML1-1e], Appendix C, as updated by [TTML1-2e], Appendix C.
15:35:45 <cyril> Mike: the sentences that say "this text ought to be other there ..." is not relevant anymore
15:35:58 <cyril> ... it doesn't matter any more
15:36:12 <cyril> ... maybe then that is less editorial
15:36:46 <cyril> nigel: we did not make normative change so far, so no need to republish with IANA
15:36:54 <cyril> ... if we do change this, there would be extra work
15:37:04 <cyril> ... I'm inclined to say that this is not so important
15:37:13 <cyril> ... we could publish without making this change
15:37:20 <cyril> Mike: yes
15:37:31 <cyril> ... the changes we made are important
15:37:38 <cyril> ... we need to publish soon
15:37:41 <cyril> nigel: agree
15:38:22 <cyril> PROPOSAL: we publish the current ED of TTML Profiles Registry as a WG Note subject to editorial changes (e.g. update ReSpec)
15:38:41 <cyril> nigel: any questions? comments? objections? approvals?
15:38:51 <cyril> Mike: I support it
15:38:53 <cyril> cyril: +1
15:38:55 <atsushi> +1
15:39:01 <atai> +1
15:39:18 <cyril> RESOLUTION: we publish the current ED of TTML Profiles Registry as a WG Note subject to editorial changes (e.g. update ReSpec)
15:39:51 <cyril> nigel: we have a decision policy, 2 week period, if no objection, that resolution is a WG decision and we'll hand over to Atsushi
15:40:24 <cyril> Topic: Adopt /history in place of Previous Version for all future publications #145
15:40:54 <cyril> github: https://github.com/w3c/ttwg/issues/145
15:41:07 <cyril> nigel: we have 2 thumbs up and it is my proposal
15:41:17 <cyril> ... it's about changing the header matter
15:41:36 <cyril> ... instead of having 'previous' link, we'll have a static link
15:41:47 <cyril> ... you'll be able to see the different editions, CR, PRs ...
15:42:08 <cyril> ... I'd like to propose that we do across every document we publish under /TR
15:42:13 <cyril> ... that is my proposal
15:42:27 <cyril> ... opened on Aug 20
15:42:40 <cyril> ... I would like to do a CfC now
15:43:39 <cyril> ... if there is no objection in 2 weeks, we'll have a decision
15:46:02 <atsushi> https://www.w3.org/TR/css-text-4/
15:46:22 <cyril> atsushi: in some cases, for ex CSS, it lists multiple previous versions in the header part
15:46:37 <cyril> ... but usually we juste have only 1 previous version in our publications in TR space
15:46:55 <cyril> ... it's replacing this with /history link
15:47:41 <cyril> SUMMARY: this proposal becomes a decision if no objection received by Oct 15th
15:48:10 <cyril> Topic: AOB - DST switch
15:48:33 <cyril> nigel: the plan is not to have a meeting on the 29th of october
15:48:46 <cyril> ... then on the 1st of nov, the DST switch happens in the US
15:48:58 <cyril> ... neither Europe nor USA will be in DST
15:49:09 <cyril> ... the person affected most is Atsushi
15:49:12 <cyril> ... because you don't have DST
15:49:33 <cyril> atsushi: Europe change happens Oct 25th
15:49:40 <cyril> ... US on Nov 1st
15:49:48 <cyril> ... there is no meeting on 19th
15:49:54 <cyril> s/19th/29th/
15:50:17 <cyril> cyril: the question is what is the time after everybody has switched
15:50:27 <cyril> atsushi: I prefer alignment with DST
15:50:55 <atai> +1
15:50:57 <cyril> nigel: the proposal is that for meeting after Nov1st, we keep the same local time in US and Europe
15:51:02 <atai> +1
15:51:09 <cyril> ... this would make it 1h later in Japan
15:51:22 <cyril> nigel: no objections
15:52:16 <cyril> ... the UTC time of the meeting will change, to be 1h later
15:52:34 <cyril> Mike: it's much clearer to say we are locked to Boston time
15:52:50 <cyril> nigel: I completely disagree on how to phrase it
15:52:59 <cyril> Mike: as you wish
15:53:21 <cyril> nigel: the effect on us all is that it's going to be the same exact time for all of us except Atsushi
15:54:39 <cyril> nigel: meeting adjourned
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15:55:12 <nigel> rrsagent, make minutes v2
15:55:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/10/01-tt-minutes.html nigel
15:58:07 <nigel> s/will join shortly (hopefully).... (still in previous call//
15:58:35 <nigel> s/TTML2 2n Ed/TTML2 2nd Ed
16:00:12 <nigel> s/and finally, we are/.... and finally, we are
16:00:23 <nigel> s/with issue 139/... with issue 139
16:00:49 <nigel> s/happy in any chair steps in/happy if any chair steps in
16:08:15 <nigel> s/for meeting after Nov1st/for our meetings after Nov 1st
16:08:46 <nigel> rrsagent, make minutes v2
16:08:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/10/01-tt-minutes.html nigel
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16:13:47 <nigel> zakim, end meeting
16:13:47 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Andreas, Cyril, Gary, Mike, Nigel, Pierre, atsushi
16:13:49 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
16:13:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/10/01-tt-minutes.html Zakim
16:13:52 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, nigel; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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16:39:44 <nigel> rrsagent, excuse us
16:39:44 <RRSAgent> I see no action items