20:46:36 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #dxwgdcat
20:46:36 <RRSAgent> logging to https://www.w3.org/2020/09/30-dxwgdcat-irc
20:46:53 <RiccardoAlbertoni> present +
20:46:58 <RiccardoAlbertoni> present+
20:47:12 <RiccardoAlbertoni> RRSAgent, make logs public
20:47:21 <RiccardoAlbertoni> RRSAgent, draft minutes
20:47:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/09/30-dxwgdcat-minutes.html RiccardoAlbertoni
20:47:41 <RiccardoAlbertoni> RRSAgent, make logs public
20:50:18 <RiccardoAlbertoni> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2020.09.30
20:50:26 <RiccardoAlbertoni>  I have made the request, RiccardoAlbertoni
20:50:37 <RiccardoAlbertoni> RRSAgent, draft minutes
20:50:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/09/30-dxwgdcat-minutes.html RiccardoAlbertoni
20:51:41 <RiccardoAlbertoni> Meeting: DXWG DCAT subgroup teleconference
20:51:57 <RiccardoAlbertoni> chair: RiccardoAlbertoni
20:52:12 <RiccardoAlbertoni> RSAgent, draft minutes
20:55:21 <RiccardoAlbertoni>  RSAgent, draft minutes
20:55:56 <RiccardoAlbertoni> RRSAgent, draft minutes
20:55:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/09/30-dxwgdcat-minutes.html RiccardoAlbertoni
20:56:24 <AndreaPerego> AndreaPerego has joined #dxwgdcat
20:56:26 <RiccardoAlbertoni>  RRSAgent, make logs public
20:57:10 <AndreaPerego> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2020.09.30
20:57:18 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
20:57:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/09/30-dxwgdcat-minutes.html AndreaPerego
20:57:57 <AndreaPerego> present+
21:00:00 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
21:00:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/09/30-dxwgdcat-minutes.html AndreaPerego
21:00:41 <AndreaPerego> s/I have made the request, RiccardoAlbertoni//
21:00:42 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
21:00:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/09/30-dxwgdcat-minutes.html AndreaPerego
21:01:05 <AndreaPerego> s/RSAgent, draft minutes//
21:01:06 <AndreaPerego> s/RSAgent, draft minutes//
21:01:08 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
21:01:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/09/30-dxwgdcat-minutes.html AndreaPerego
21:02:02 <AndreaPerego> s/R v2//
21:02:12 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
21:02:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/09/30-dxwgdcat-minutes.html AndreaPerego
21:02:27 <AndreaPerego> s/R v2//
21:02:29 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
21:02:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/09/30-dxwgdcat-minutes.html AndreaPerego
21:03:00 <AndreaPerego> s/, draft minutes//
21:03:01 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
21:03:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/09/30-dxwgdcat-minutes.html AndreaPerego
21:03:27 <AndreaPerego> s/RRSAgent v2//
21:03:29 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
21:03:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/09/30-dxwgdcat-minutes.html AndreaPerego
21:04:27 <alejandra> alejandra has joined #dxwgdcat
21:04:32 <PWinstanley> PWinstanley has joined #dxwgdcat
21:04:42 <PWinstanley> present+
21:05:49 <RiccardoAlbertoni> regrets: alejandra
21:06:08 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
21:06:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/09/30-dxwgdcat-minutes.html AndreaPerego
21:07:59 <RiccardoAlbertoni> google meeting
21:08:12 <AndreaPerego> s/google meeting//
21:08:16 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
21:08:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/09/30-dxwgdcat-minutes.html AndreaPerego
21:09:17 <RiccardoAlbertoni> https://meet.google.com/cuo-mxof-ayj
21:13:18 <AndreaPerego> s/cuo-mxof-ayj/
21:13:21 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
21:13:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/09/30-dxwgdcat-minutes.html AndreaPerego
21:15:43 <PWinstanley> scribenick: PWinstanley
21:15:59 <RiccardoAlbertoni> PROPOSED: approve last meeting minutes  https://www.w3.org/2020/09/16-dxwgdcat-minutes
21:16:05 <AndreaPerego> +1
21:16:05 <PWinstanley> proposed: accept minutes of last meeting
21:16:11 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1
21:16:21 <PWinstanley> +1
21:16:31 <PWinstanley> resolved: accept minutes of last meeting
21:16:44 <RiccardoAlbertoni> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2020.09.30
21:17:28 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
21:17:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/09/30-dxwgdcat-minutes.html AndreaPerego
21:17:37 <AndreaPerego> topic: TPAC
21:17:37 <PWinstanley> topic: Is anyone interested in doing anything over the TPAC meeting events?
21:17:51 <AndreaPerego> s/topic: TPAC//
21:17:53 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
21:17:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/09/30-dxwgdcat-minutes.html AndreaPerego
21:18:06 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +q
21:18:40 <PWinstanley> RiccardoAlbertoni: Time is scarce for me.  But I can contribute
21:20:00 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: Would we like to join in with other groups?
21:21:06 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: I'm not sure if there are any relevant groups.
21:22:20 <PWinstanley> RiccardoAlbertoni: I'm proposing not to participate, but to try to get a publication and a presentation (DCMI community)
21:23:01 <PWinstanley> PWinstanley: I think there are some W3C talks scheduled for November - will need to investigate more
21:23:37 <PWinstanley> Topic: Versioning PR
21:23:41 <RiccardoAlbertoni>  https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/1257
21:24:10 <AndreaPerego> Preview here: https://raw.githack.com/w3c/dxwg/dcat-versioning/dcat/#dataset-versions
21:25:06 <PWinstanley> RiccardoAlbertoni: it deals with many of the issues that we have had re: versioning, and I think it should be part of the doc asap.  There are still issues (extra examples; specific relationships for DCAT depending on the type of DCAT artifact; and point relating to qualified and unqualified relationships_
21:25:20 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: I drafted based on the FRBR discussion
21:26:17 <PWinstanley> ... After I had drafted KCoyle provided additional points, and so this isn't the final version, and there might be a dramatic revision of the current draft
21:28:51 <PWinstanley> ... the preview I build on different types of version (3 types) from the library field:  replacement; serial publication ; translation / arrangement / reduction, etc
21:29:27 <PWinstanley> ... So, since we are not taking a position about what a version is, these are the types of changes that might happen to a given resource.
21:30:16 <PWinstanley> ... This isn't only related to versioning, it might relate to status also (situation in the production workflow)
21:31:15 <RiccardoAlbertoni> attempt of listing relations made by  @makxdekkers  in the following post  https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/868#issuecomment-616628077
21:31:36 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q?
21:31:42 <PWinstanley> ... In the library field the point is less about version and more about relationships - the ones in FRBR - relate to different levels of classes (which are all disjoint, btw)
21:33:04 <PWinstanley> ... These might help us model how a resource might change over time.  The implicit proposal was that we should try to look at the problem from another perspective and rather than seeing everything as a 'version' try to look at other classes of relationship
21:34:39 <PWinstanley> ... We need to make explicit our position about what we consider a 'version' to be, and at the moment this is perhaps confusing.  We can recognise the domain and publication specific nature of versioning, and we can then isolate things like serial publication and treat them in their own section
21:34:45 <PWinstanley> ... etc
21:34:56 <PWinstanley> ... I am still working on this
21:35:27 <PWinstanley> ... we need to ensure that dataset series is dealt with
21:36:00 <RiccardoAlbertoni> ?q
21:36:00 <PWinstanley> ... Our options are either to update the spec or else use the PR to get more information from others
21:38:03 <PWinstanley> RiccardoAlbertoni: I support the second option.  we have discussed for several weeks and the draft covers the bulk of the discussion - it mentions almost all the specific issues.  the side discussion on github should be included, and it should reference the issues made by Karen.  The draft is likely to change, but merging the PR shows that we are advancing on some issues, while others need more considered thought.
21:38:53 <PWinstanley> ... The points made by Makx about data series also need to be taken into account
21:38:56 <AndreaPerego> q*
21:39:06 <AndreaPerego> s/q*//
21:39:08 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:39:14 <AndreaPerego> ack RiccardoAlbertoni
21:39:40 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
21:39:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/09/30-dxwgdcat-minutes.html AndreaPerego
21:40:32 <PWinstanley> ... We have decided to stay agnostic on community-specific issues (as in the PR) but there is a legitimate interest in some specialisation  and we can point these out in specific issues
21:40:33 <RiccardoAlbertoni> ack AndreaPerego
21:41:57 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: do we avoid calling the dataset series 'versions'?  Probably so
21:44:56 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
21:44:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/09/30-dxwgdcat-minutes.html AndreaPerego
21:47:30 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: Another consideration is that there is a risk in both these discussions that we get caught in a theoretical perspective and not from the POV of addressing real user need
21:51:46 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
21:51:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/09/30-dxwgdcat-minutes.html AndreaPerego
21:56:20 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: the notion of dataset series is used in different ways in different fields (e.g. in geospatial, satellite imagery is a series - a sequential list).  Equally we might be developing trees of related datasets
21:57:20 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: What is the situation that existing data catalogues model, and how do we ensure that this can be covered in DCAT?
21:58:02 <PWinstanley> RiccardoAlbertoni: there are not common practices across communities - so in DCAT we need a common denominator approach that people can specialise for their own domains
21:59:12 <PWinstanley> ... So let's merge the PR and see what the reaction is.  The RDA proposal on versioning contains some use cases that are within our scope.  These can stimulate discussion of our proposals
21:59:23 <PWinstanley> proposed: to merge the PR
21:59:42 <AndreaPerego> +1
21:59:45 <PWinstanley> +1
21:59:49 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1
21:59:52 <PWinstanley> resolved: to merge the PR
22:00:29 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
22:00:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/09/30-dxwgdcat-minutes.html AndreaPerego
22:00:34 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: We need to change the title and also to track changes  -
22:00:44 <RiccardoAlbertoni> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/1259
22:01:12 <PWinstanley> RiccardoAlbertoni: we can do the title change in the PR #1259.  A new section can be used for tracking changes
22:02:45 <PWinstanley> RiccardoAlbertoni: Can we look forward to a sprint on a group of issues
22:04:36 <PWinstanley> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
22:04:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/09/30-dxwgdcat-minutes.html PWinstanley