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13:44:32 <koalie> meeting: IDCG Meeting
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13:45:02 <koalie> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-idcg/2020Aug/0049.html
13:45:02 <agendabot> clear agenda
13:45:02 <agendabot> agenda+ BLM statement status update
13:45:02 <agendabot> agenda+ Diversity fund update, applications framework
13:45:04 <agendabot> agenda+ Actions updates
13:45:07 <koalie> chair: Coralie
13:45:41 <koalie> regrets: Léonie
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14:00:20 <DKA_> yep.
14:01:02 <koalie> Please, join https://mit.zoom.us/j/95100247250
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14:01:57 <tzviya> present+
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14:02:12 <koalie> present+ Coralie
14:03:45 <koalie> regrets+ Barb
14:05:42 <hober> present+
14:06:02 <koalie> Zakim, agenda?
14:06:02 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda:
14:06:03 <Zakim> 1. BLM statement status update [from agendabot]
14:06:03 <Zakim> 2. Diversity fund update, applications framework [from agendabot]
14:06:03 <Zakim> 3. Actions updates [from agendabot]
14:06:45 <koalie> Zakim, take up item 1
14:06:45 <Zakim> agendum 1. "BLM statement status update" taken up [from agendabot]
14:07:22 <melanierichards> present+
14:07:31 <Judy> present+
14:07:33 <Judy> q+
14:08:17 <koalie> ack ju
14:08:46 <koalie> Coralie: formal objection resolution progressing
14:08:53 <koalie> ... Ralph is the Director's delegate in charge
14:09:02 <koalie> ... Kim Crayton may give us advice
14:10:10 <koalie> ... thanks to all who weighed in on the thread in the formal objection resolution
14:10:20 <tzviya> q+ to ask about Kim Crayton feedback?
14:10:35 <koalie> Judy: I'd like to weigh in on Marisa's good summary
14:11:07 <koalie> ... May I still comment on the thread despite deadline passed?
14:11:10 <jeff__> scribe+
14:11:22 <koalie> CM: I suggest if you can, that you share your feedback and let ralph take it
14:11:24 <koalie> ack next
14:11:25 <Zakim> tzviya, you wanted to ask about Kim Crayton feedback?
14:11:52 <jeff__> Tzviya: Leonie said we get feedback just on the statement
14:12:03 <jeff__> ... but I would be interested in hearing her views about everything
14:12:10 <jeff__> ... even if it means going back to the AC
14:12:11 <Judy> q+
14:12:27 <koalie> ack ju
14:12:32 <jeff__> Coralie: I concur
14:12:48 <jeff__> Judy: I would caution getting definitive feedback from any one person
14:12:56 <jeff__> ... makes it increasingly complicated
14:13:02 <DKA_> q+
14:13:11 <jeff__> Coralie: We are aware of timing issue
14:13:15 <jeff__> ... process is long
14:13:30 <jeff__> ... aiming for sweet spot between external review and another AC review cycle
14:13:40 <jeff__> ... acknowledging that we are late
14:13:44 <koalie> ack next
14:14:05 <jeff__> Dan: I have immense respect for Kim's feedback
14:14:23 <jeff__> ... her response might be to look for an appropriate consulting fee
14:14:33 <koalie> q?
14:14:34 <jeff__> ... concerned about gating it to her feedback
14:14:43 <koalie> Zakim, next item
14:14:43 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Diversity fund update, applications framework" taken up [from agendabot]
14:15:02 <jeff__> Topic: Diversity fund update
14:15:14 <jeff__> Coralie: Wanted to discuss application framework
14:15:20 <jeff__> ... I've received no feedback
14:15:23 <jeff__> ... one week left
14:15:47 <jeff__> ... will know soon about child care
14:15:53 <jeff__> ... MIT may not be willing
14:15:57 <jeff__> ... checking with other hosts
14:16:22 <koalie> Zakim, close this item
14:16:22 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
14:16:23 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
14:16:23 <Zakim> 3. Actions updates [from agendabot]
14:16:26 <koalie> Zakim, next item
14:16:26 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Actions updates" taken up [from agendabot]
14:16:30 <jeff__> Topic: Action updates
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14:17:08 <wendyreid> present+
14:17:12 <koalie> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-idcg/2020Sep/0000.html
14:17:28 <jeff__> Judy: Making W3C more welcoming
14:17:33 <jeff__> ... wiki based discussion
14:17:41 <jeff__> ... some top level statements
14:17:52 <jeff__> ... now a home page that reflects some of those
14:18:03 <jeff__> ... long list of individual actions
14:18:21 <Judy> https://github.com/w3c/idcg/wiki
14:18:36 <jeff__> ... general wiki ^^
14:18:53 <jeff__> ... subpages for welcoming; learning and discussions
14:19:13 <jeff__> ... outreach and messaging
14:19:46 <jeff__> ... Coralie working on "w3C message to accompany publication of (BLM)  statement"
14:19:59 <jeff__> ... can we set milestones on actions?
14:20:03 <jeff__> ... manage it that way
14:20:22 <koalie> q?
14:20:46 <jeff__> Coralie: I created specific action for introductory blurb for BLM statement
14:20:57 <jeff__> ... intend to proceed alone (at first), then seek feedback
14:21:13 <jeff__> ... For milestones for actions, I would leave it up to the people
14:21:22 <jeff__> ... you could do it for your subgroup
14:21:36 <jeff__> ... you work on it in late July
14:21:40 <jeff__> ... but I did not open links
14:21:45 <jeff__> ... did you want to summarize?
14:22:05 <jeff__> Judy: I suggest proceeding down issue list
14:22:16 <jeff__> ... my impression is that we stalled in August
14:22:24 <jeff__> ... would like to regain momentum
14:22:45 <tzviya> q+ to ask about additional resources for reading list
14:22:50 <jeff__> ... pockets of activity
14:22:53 <koalie> ack next
14:22:54 <Zakim> tzviya, you wanted to ask about additional resources for reading list
14:23:02 <tzviya> https://github.com/w3c/PWETF/blob/master/ReferencesAndResources.md
14:23:08 <jeff__> Tzviya: Reading list ^^
14:23:19 <jeff__> ... added article Tess sent around
14:23:23 <jeff__> ... I really recommend
14:23:35 <koalie> -> https://github.com/w3c/idcg/issues/16 Issue-16: Curate reading lists
14:23:36 <jeff__> ... we need articles about sexism
14:23:43 <jeff__> ... we only have about racism and harrassment
14:23:54 <jeff__> ... want to reorganize the list
14:24:33 <Judy> https://github.com/w3c/idcg/wiki/Learning-and-Discussion
14:24:33 <jeff__> Judy: Might be useful to point to learning and discussion
14:24:41 <jeff__> ... reading list on page
14:24:47 <jeff__> ... also companion activities
14:24:51 <jeff__> ... drive discussion
14:24:55 <jeff__> ... encourage groups
14:25:08 <jeff__> ... Vagner had commented that we should track outcomes
14:25:45 <jeff__> ... so this page shows some outcomes
14:25:49 <jeff__> ... little done to date
14:26:02 <Judy> https://github.com/w3c/idcg/wiki/Learning-and-Discussion#status
14:27:05 <jeff__> Coralie: [muted] I made an interesting point
14:27:18 <jeff__> ... since we are only 9 people, some are not here to debrief
14:27:30 <Judy> [JB: ...except starting to populate the reading list, but will need companion actions to get people discussing and using the materials]
14:27:32 <jeff__> ... does anyone here want to debrief, summarize, or seek help?
14:27:53 <tzviya> q+
14:27:55 <jeff__> [crickets]
14:28:04 <koalie> ack tz
14:28:05 <jeff__> Coralie: I've sorted issue list by last activity
14:28:14 <jeff__> Tzviya: We are at the end of our formal agenda
14:28:24 <jeff__> ... I sense this meeting wants us to do something
14:28:30 <jeff__> ... not sure how to move forward
14:28:53 <jeff__> ... we are accustemed to create issue lists
14:28:59 <Judy> q+
14:29:02 <jeff__> ... harder for social change
14:29:06 <jeff__> ... what can we actually do?
14:29:31 <jeff__> ... stagnated issue lists will not get us there
14:29:44 <jeff__> ... Twitter discussion concluded no sexism at W3C
14:29:47 <jeff__> ... not really true
14:29:59 <jeff__> ... how do we actually get the word out?
14:30:21 <jeff__> ... Tess' masculine defaults article was interesting
14:30:31 <jeff__> ... institutions may themselves be sexist
14:30:54 <jeff__> ... in a Tenure track university there might be equal time off for child rearing
14:31:05 <Judy> q+ to mention https://github.com/w3c/idcg/wiki/Learning-and-Discussion#sub-actions as an example of companion actions to promote change and action
14:31:07 <jeff__> ... but then men continue their writing and women care for the children
14:31:11 <DKA_> q+ to suggest an action we can take along side of https://github.com/w3c/idcg/issues/11
14:31:14 <wendyreid> q+
14:31:18 <jeff__> ... looks equal, but actually advances men
14:31:29 <jeff__> ... how can we actually promote equity at W3C?
14:31:31 <jeff__> q+
14:31:32 <koalie> ack next
14:31:34 <Zakim> Judy, you wanted to mention https://github.com/w3c/idcg/wiki/Learning-and-Discussion#sub-actions as an example of companion actions to promote change and action
14:31:45 <jeff__> Judy: I may be an anomaly
14:31:57 <jeff__> ... worked with many social groups
14:32:09 <jeff__> ... so I am not working from a GH list of unrelated topics
14:32:17 <jeff__> ... interested in learning and discussion
14:32:47 <jeff__> ... what is a reading list worth unless we vet it as applicable to W3C
14:32:56 <jeff__> ... need to promote discussion
14:33:03 <jeff__> ... discussion must also be outside of CG
14:33:22 <jeff__> ... W3C has a huge footprint
14:33:40 <jeff__> ... international context
14:34:11 <jeff__> ... fill gaps in reading list and push it out
14:34:47 <koalie> ack next
14:34:48 <Zakim> DKA_, you wanted to suggest an action we can take along side of https://github.com/w3c/idcg/issues/11
14:35:08 <jeff__> Dan: I appreciate Tzviya's injection of energy
14:35:14 <jeff__> ... inspired me to look down the list
14:35:19 <jeff__> ... what can we do?
14:35:36 <jeff__> ... I've been involved in Global Diversity CFP day
14:35:47 <jeff__> ... distributed event for people from underrepresented groups
14:35:51 <Judy> s/social groups/social change groups/
14:35:57 <jeff__> ... make proposals to speak
14:36:05 <jeff__> ... get mentored by experienced people
14:36:24 <jeff__> ... write bio; conference talk proposal; what types of events; topics; ideas
14:36:40 <jeff__> ... we should run a distributed workshop
14:36:46 <jeff__> ... in line with issue #11
14:37:05 <jeff__> ... how to get started in standards
14:37:13 <jeff__> ... promote it to underrepresented groups
14:37:25 <jeff__> ... "standards, participation, diversity day"
14:37:30 <jeff__> ... I could help organize
14:37:33 <koalie> ack next
14:37:39 <tzviya> +1 to DKA_ 's idea
14:37:52 <jeff__> WendyR: +1 to Dan's idea - lots of fun
14:37:55 <koalie> +1 to DKA
14:38:20 <jeff__> ... Tzviya mentioned Twitter discussion; Tess' pointer to an article
14:38:28 <jeff__> ... aligns to my new WG getting started
14:38:30 <jeff__> ... CEPC
14:38:42 <jeff__> ... alternate workmodes; how do we accommodate
14:38:46 <DKA_> Global Diversity CFP Day: https://www.globaldiversitycfpday.com/
14:38:52 <jeff__> ... Twitter discussion highlighted it
14:39:11 <jeff__> ... some people thrive speaking their mind in W3C/q+ structure
14:39:23 <jeff__> ... unphased by community of experts
14:39:29 <jeff__> ... but some don't
14:39:45 <jeff__> ... working well is culturally a north american male default
14:39:52 <jeff__> ... not necessarily in other cultures
14:40:08 <jeff__> ... in some countries you cannot speak up before your boss
14:40:15 <jeff__> ... I plan to do more research
14:40:26 <jeff__> ... half of my members are Japanese (for my WG)
14:40:42 <jeff__> ... I don't speak Japanese; although my co-chair does
14:40:58 <jeff__> ... we need to break the NA default
14:41:07 <koalie> ack next
14:41:18 <koalie> scribe+
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14:41:51 <koalie> Jeff: +1 in particular to what Judy said: let's expand our advocates beyond this group
14:41:56 <koalie> ... W3M agrees
14:42:09 <koalie> ... We've asked Wendy to speak at the W3C Advisory Committee meeting next month
14:42:24 <koalie> ... one of the questions is what are the messages?
14:42:49 <koalie> ... the biggest D&I problem we have in W3C is we don't have enough D&I
14:43:01 <koalie> ... most of our participants are designated by their AC reps
14:43:17 <tzviya> q+ to respond to jeff__
14:43:24 <koalie> ... deputizing the AC to extend the reach of this group is to my mind the most powerful way to create social change
14:43:39 <koalie> ... I haven't prepared talking points for AC reps
14:43:41 <DKA_> +1 to encouraging the AC to become a part of this effort.
14:43:51 <koalie> ... but this sounds useful to help Wendy with in the next several weeks
14:43:53 <koalie> scribe-
14:43:54 <koalie> ack t
14:43:54 <Zakim> tzviya, you wanted to respond to jeff__
14:44:14 <Judy> q+
14:44:19 <jeff__> Tzviya: Most important message to the AC is that W3C has huge diversity and inclusion issues
14:44:30 <jeff__> ... if you don't believe; realize that most AC reps are men
14:44:38 <jeff__> ... that effects how W3C works
14:44:56 <jeff__> ... W3C is setting standards for the entire web so we need diversity supporting this
14:45:08 <jeff__> ... AC rep must appoint a diverse set of participants
14:45:18 <jeff__> ... maybe Wendy should emphasize this
14:45:19 <koalie> ack ju
14:45:25 <jeff__> ... we need to recognize our biases
14:45:31 <jeff__> ... and take action to change
14:45:42 <jeff__> Judy: Message to the AC should be multi-faceted
14:45:56 <jeff__> ... many organizations are aware of diversity issues
14:46:03 <jeff__> ... in W3C; in their own orgs
14:46:10 <jeff__> ... collective set of resources are missing
14:46:17 <jeff__> ... we can promote engagement in IDCG
14:46:38 <jeff__> ... well vetted set of things to learn from; actions such as mentoring
14:47:02 <jeff__> ... like to encourage parallel actions in community
14:47:19 <jeff__> ... partly I'm modeling this from accessibility
14:47:26 <jeff__> ... we bring people together
14:47:30 <jeff__> ... we can do here
14:47:35 <jeff__> ... Wendy can help convey
14:47:37 <koalie> q?
14:47:41 <jeff__> WendyR: I like the message
14:47:51 <wendyreid> q+
14:48:05 <koalie> ack wend
14:48:12 <jeff__> WendyR: AoB question
14:48:24 <jeff__> ... are we sending the statement to Kim Creighton this week?
14:48:31 <jeff__> Coralie: Yes.
14:48:36 <jeff__> ... Tobie intends to write to her
14:48:43 <jeff__> ... this week
14:48:56 <jeff__> ... meanwhile we are on hold
14:49:24 <jeff__> rrsagent, make minutes
14:49:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/09/01-idcg-minutes.html jeff__
14:49:28 <jeff__> [adjourned]
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18:18:12 <koalie> rrsagent, please draft minutes v2
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