IRC log of idcg on 2020-09-01

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-> https://www.w3.org/2020/08/18-idcg-minutes.html Previous (2020-08-18)
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meeting: IDCG Meeting
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agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-idcg/2020Aug/0049.html
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clear agenda
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agenda+ BLM statement status update
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agenda+ Diversity fund update, applications framework
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agenda+ Actions updates
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chair: Coralie
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regrets: Léonie
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yep.
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Please, join https://mit.zoom.us/j/95100247250
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present+
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present+ Coralie
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regrets+ Barb
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present+
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Zakim, agenda?
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I see 3 items remaining on the agenda:
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1. BLM statement status update [from agendabot]
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2. Diversity fund update, applications framework [from agendabot]
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3. Actions updates [from agendabot]
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Zakim, take up item 1
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agendum 1. "BLM statement status update" taken up [from agendabot]
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present+
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present+
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q+
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ack ju
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Coralie: formal objection resolution progressing
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... Ralph is the Director's delegate in charge
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... Kim Crayton may give us advice
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... thanks to all who weighed in on the thread in the formal objection resolution
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q+ to ask about Kim Crayton feedback?
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Judy: I'd like to weigh in on Marisa's good summary
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... May I still comment on the thread despite deadline passed?
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scribe+
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CM: I suggest if you can, that you share your feedback and let ralph take it
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ack next
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tzviya, you wanted to ask about Kim Crayton feedback?
14:11:52 [jeff__]
Tzviya: Leonie said we get feedback just on the statement
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... but I would be interested in hearing her views about everything
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... even if it means going back to the AC
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q+
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ack ju
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Coralie: I concur
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Judy: I would caution getting definitive feedback from any one person
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... makes it increasingly complicated
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q+
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Coralie: We are aware of timing issue
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... process is long
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... aiming for sweet spot between external review and another AC review cycle
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... acknowledging that we are late
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Dan: I have immense respect for Kim's feedback
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... her response might be to look for an appropriate consulting fee
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q?
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... concerned about gating it to her feedback
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Zakim, next item
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agendum 2. "Diversity fund update, applications framework" taken up [from agendabot]
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Topic: Diversity fund update
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Coralie: Wanted to discuss application framework
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... I've received no feedback
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... one week left
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... will know soon about child care
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... MIT may not be willing
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... checking with other hosts
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Zakim, close this item
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agendum 2 closed
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I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
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3. Actions updates [from agendabot]
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Zakim, next item
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agendum 3. "Actions updates" taken up [from agendabot]
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Topic: Action updates
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present+
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https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-idcg/2020Sep/0000.html
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Judy: Making W3C more welcoming
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... wiki based discussion
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... some top level statements
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... now a home page that reflects some of those
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... long list of individual actions
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https://github.com/w3c/idcg/wiki
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... general wiki ^^
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... subpages for welcoming; learning and discussions
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... outreach and messaging
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... Coralie working on "w3C message to accompany publication of (BLM) statement"
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... can we set milestones on actions?
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... manage it that way
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q?
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Coralie: I created specific action for introductory blurb for BLM statement
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... intend to proceed alone (at first), then seek feedback
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... For milestones for actions, I would leave it up to the people
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... you could do it for your subgroup
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... you work on it in late July
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... but I did not open links
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... did you want to summarize?
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Judy: I suggest proceeding down issue list
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... my impression is that we stalled in August
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... would like to regain momentum
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q+ to ask about additional resources for reading list
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... pockets of activity
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tzviya, you wanted to ask about additional resources for reading list
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https://github.com/w3c/PWETF/blob/master/ReferencesAndResources.md
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Tzviya: Reading list ^^
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... added article Tess sent around
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... I really recommend
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-> https://github.com/w3c/idcg/issues/16 Issue-16: Curate reading lists
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... we need articles about sexism
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... we only have about racism and harrassment
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... want to reorganize the list
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https://github.com/w3c/idcg/wiki/Learning-and-Discussion
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Judy: Might be useful to point to learning and discussion
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... reading list on page
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... also companion activities
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... drive discussion
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... encourage groups
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... Vagner had commented that we should track outcomes
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... so this page shows some outcomes
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... little done to date
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https://github.com/w3c/idcg/wiki/Learning-and-Discussion#status
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Coralie: [muted] I made an interesting point
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... since we are only 9 people, some are not here to debrief
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[JB: ...except starting to populate the reading list, but will need companion actions to get people discussing and using the materials]
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... does anyone here want to debrief, summarize, or seek help?
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q+
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[crickets]
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ack tz
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Coralie: I've sorted issue list by last activity
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Tzviya: We are at the end of our formal agenda
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... I sense this meeting wants us to do something
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... not sure how to move forward
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... we are accustemed to create issue lists
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q+
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... harder for social change
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... what can we actually do?
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... stagnated issue lists will not get us there
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... Twitter discussion concluded no sexism at W3C
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... not really true
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... how do we actually get the word out?
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... Tess' masculine defaults article was interesting
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... institutions may themselves be sexist
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... in a Tenure track university there might be equal time off for child rearing
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q+ to mention https://github.com/w3c/idcg/wiki/Learning-and-Discussion#sub-actions as an example of companion actions to promote change and action
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... but then men continue their writing and women care for the children
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q+ to suggest an action we can take along side of https://github.com/w3c/idcg/issues/11
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q+
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... looks equal, but actually advances men
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... how can we actually promote equity at W3C?
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q+
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ack next
14:31:34 [Zakim]
Judy, you wanted to mention https://github.com/w3c/idcg/wiki/Learning-and-Discussion#sub-actions as an example of companion actions to promote change and action
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Judy: I may be an anomaly
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... worked with many social groups
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... so I am not working from a GH list of unrelated topics
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... interested in learning and discussion
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... what is a reading list worth unless we vet it as applicable to W3C
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... need to promote discussion
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... discussion must also be outside of CG
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... W3C has a huge footprint
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... international context
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... fill gaps in reading list and push it out
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DKA_, you wanted to suggest an action we can take along side of https://github.com/w3c/idcg/issues/11
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Dan: I appreciate Tzviya's injection of energy
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... inspired me to look down the list
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... what can we do?
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... I've been involved in Global Diversity CFP day
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... distributed event for people from underrepresented groups
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s/social groups/social change groups/
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... make proposals to speak
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... get mentored by experienced people
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... write bio; conference talk proposal; what types of events; topics; ideas
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... we should run a distributed workshop
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... in line with issue #11
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... how to get started in standards
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... promote it to underrepresented groups
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... "standards, participation, diversity day"
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... I could help organize
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+1 to DKA_ 's idea
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WendyR: +1 to Dan's idea - lots of fun
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+1 to DKA
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... Tzviya mentioned Twitter discussion; Tess' pointer to an article
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... aligns to my new WG getting started
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... CEPC
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... alternate workmodes; how do we accommodate
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Global Diversity CFP Day: https://www.globaldiversitycfpday.com/
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... Twitter discussion highlighted it
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... some people thrive speaking their mind in W3C/q+ structure
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... unphased by community of experts
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... but some don't
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... working well is culturally a north american male default
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... not necessarily in other cultures
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... in some countries you cannot speak up before your boss
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... I plan to do more research
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... half of my members are Japanese (for my WG)
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... I don't speak Japanese; although my co-chair does
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... we need to break the NA default
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Jeff: +1 in particular to what Judy said: let's expand our advocates beyond this group
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... W3M agrees
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... We've asked Wendy to speak at the W3C Advisory Committee meeting next month
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... one of the questions is what are the messages?
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... the biggest D&I problem we have in W3C is we don't have enough D&I
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... most of our participants are designated by their AC reps
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q+ to respond to jeff__
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... deputizing the AC to extend the reach of this group is to my mind the most powerful way to create social change
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... I haven't prepared talking points for AC reps
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+1 to encouraging the AC to become a part of this effort.
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... but this sounds useful to help Wendy with in the next several weeks
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scribe-
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14:43:54 [Zakim]
tzviya, you wanted to respond to jeff__
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q+
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Tzviya: Most important message to the AC is that W3C has huge diversity and inclusion issues
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... if you don't believe; realize that most AC reps are men
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... that effects how W3C works
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... W3C is setting standards for the entire web so we need diversity supporting this
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... AC rep must appoint a diverse set of participants
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... maybe Wendy should emphasize this
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ack ju
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... we need to recognize our biases
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... and take action to change
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Judy: Message to the AC should be multi-faceted
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... many organizations are aware of diversity issues
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... in W3C; in their own orgs
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... collective set of resources are missing
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... we can promote engagement in IDCG
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... well vetted set of things to learn from; actions such as mentoring
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... like to encourage parallel actions in community
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... partly I'm modeling this from accessibility
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... we bring people together
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... we can do here
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... Wendy can help convey
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q?
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WendyR: I like the message
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q+
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WendyR: AoB question
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... are we sending the statement to Kim Creighton this week?
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Coralie: Yes.
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... Tobie intends to write to her
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... this week
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... meanwhile we are on hold
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[adjourned]
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rrsagent, please draft minutes v2
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