Meeting minutes
EPUB 3 Working Group startup
Wendy: we got a home page
and iCalendar files
… lots of participants are joining!
… we've figured out most of the logistics around
meeting times and work mode
… we're discussing the finer points of document
structure
… with an immense amount of help from Matt
… big news: Matt is back as editor!
… we'll be looking for more editors for different
parts of the spec
… hoping for some new faces; would be nice to get some
new hands and eyes on the spec
Ivan: we have quite a number
of Japanese participants already
… hope that many of them will be active participants
… every other meeting will be on an East Asia-friendly
time
… so unfortunately only the North Americans will find
it convenient to attend every meeting
Ivan: do we want to use the
IDPF EPUB logo?
… is it a branding thing we want to use?
… do we know where the original source is?
… BillK had commented that the text should be removed
from the logo
Garth: we can use the logo
if we want
… I'm vaguely in favor of using it
BillK: if we can use it, I'd
love to remove the mixed-case text under the logo
… that's an easy edit to the file
Ivan: I'd like to have the source in SVG
BillK: I'm sure it exists in various forms
<wendyreid> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Epub_logo_color.svg
Ivan: EPUBCheck says that
SVG is not valid
… because of an EPUB-specific restriction
… DTDs containing entities
TPAC Planning
Ivan: EPUB 3 WG is on the list; we're searching for the right date
Ralph: do we have a sense for the CG and BG to meet?
Avneesh: I've heard interest from Liisa and Daihei for the BG to meet
BillK: makes sense from a
prospective member / guest perspective
… something that appropriately shows the difference
between a WG, BG, and CG
… a joint meeting for those three groups to dialog
where they overlap and do not overlap
… we benefit from the distributed situation; you only
need to join a Zoom call
Ralph: good points
… especially useful for the CG and WG to have a joint
discussion about {,non}overlaps
Wendy: we're thinking about
how long people will agree to sit on a Zoom call
… and we have the timezone issue as well
Ivan: my experience in
virtual F2F meetings worked out well:
… we had two dates
… on one day we had two 90-minute sessions with a
30-minute break between
… and alternated the time on the second day
… that sort-of worked
… whether we need two days for the WG or more, we
don't yet know
BillK: coordinating between groups sounds like a SC meeting
Wendy: the SC meetings aren't meant to be public meetings
Daisy Whitepaper
[Wendy departs]
White paper for your review prior to press release announcement [George]
George: Daisy has been asked
by many groups to clarify the difference between PDF and EPUB
… Dan Goldstein, retired attorney, very well-known
A11Y lawyer contributed
… we want to publish around September 11
… with a supporting webinar
… we were thinking that a blog from W3C would be
appropriate
Ralph: sure; it feels appropriate to have a W3C blog post
George: I'm volunteering to write it
Ivan: I scanned it and love
it
… it's extremely polite but between the lines says PDF
isn't good for accessibility
Avneesh: I would have liked to include a few other formats in the comparison too
George: I'll draft a short
blog and share it here for comment
… maybe mention the new EPUB 3 WG
<Ralph> +1
Ivan: and EPUB A11y being a part as well
BillK: it makes sense to
focus on PDF and EPUB; in the world I work in, those are the two
formats people say need to be accessible
… people tell me "508 requires PDF" -- I tell them
"no, it doesn't"
… that's the world we live in right now
Avneesh: Daisy's strategy is
to institutionalize accessible publications
… we're not interested in getting into format wars
George: any format that evolves over time we'll be focused on this principal
Ivan: the whitepaper is
produced by Daisy
… it might give more weight to the W3C blog if it's
signed by someone not in Daisy
George: I'm happy to help in
the writing, it would be wonderful if someone from this group wants to
sign it
… it will be very short
George: on document formats
...
… I have all my papers since 1990 prior to EPUB in
HTML
… I have them as a single publication
… I've shared it with people and they're unaccustomed
to seeing documents in HTML; it's very foreign to them
BillK: with a CSS file?
George: Markus created the
CSS for me
… in-line
Avneesh: I still unzip EPUB and read the HTML in a browser
<dauwhe_> https://the-digital-reader.com/2018/05/01/dropbox-quietly-launches-an-epub-viewer/
Ralph: thanks George
… also, kudos to BillK's recent article
BillK: thanks, unfortunately it's behind Springer's paywall
<Bill_Kasdorf> "We're at an Inflection Point for Publishing and the Web": https://rdcu.be/b36KJ.
[adjourned]