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13:53:17 <tink> TOPIC: IDCG meeting
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13:54:49 <tink> zakim, clear the agenda
13:54:49 <Zakim> agenda cleared
13:54:57 <tink> agenda+ PubRules guidance on gender identity
13:55:06 <tink> agenda+ Diversity fund update
13:55:21 <tink> agenda+ ERB update
13:55:34 <tink> agenda+ Feedback about the proposed BLM statement
13:55:49 <tink> agenda+ Scheduling a virtual TPAC meeting with the PWE CG
13:59:58 <tink> agenda+ Adding an "outcomes" section to the thematic pages
14:10:41 <tink> zakim, take up item 1
14:10:41 <Zakim> agendum 1. "PubRules guidance on gender identity" taken up [from tink]
14:11:02 <tink> relevant issues https://github.com/w3c/idcg/issues/15 and https://github.com/w3c/idcg/issues/17
14:12:17 <hober> present+
14:14:36 <tink> LW: W3 team has added editorial guidance to PubRules around the use of pronouns.
14:15:04 <tink> ... EO has shared its guidance, which is to use proper names and not use pronouns.
14:16:00 <tink> Barb: Intel has creatd an industry awareness website.
14:16:40 <tink> ... We wanted to be proactive.
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14:17:43 <Barb_H> Intel Inclusive Language - https://intel.sharepoint.com/sites/InclusiveLanguage/SitePages/Industry-Awareness.aspx
14:18:22 <tink> Tess: A lot of the EO guidance is good.
14:18:23 <wendyreid> present+
14:18:33 <tink> ... Some things coule be improved.
14:19:18 <hober> current wording: "Using "he or she" addresses many issues, yet not that of people who do not want to be referred to as either "he" or "she"."
14:19:49 <hober> suggested wording: "Do not refer to people as "he or she", because that is not inclusive of non-binary people or others who prefer different pronouns."
14:20:34 <tink> ... the guidance says to generally avoid using pronouns unless for exceptions.
14:20:41 <koalie> present+ Coralie
14:21:00 <tink> ... One way to be subtley uninclusive could be to avoid using any pronoun instead of a person's preferred pronouns.
14:21:13 <tink> ... I understand the reasoning but think it is nuanced.
14:21:46 <tink> ... It says avoid using singular.. pronouns because it's difficult language.
14:22:01 <tink> ... It's been part of English since the time of Chaucer, so not sure this is the case.
14:23:27 <tink> Barb: Intel advised using words like colleague or participant.
14:23:33 <tink> Tess: Good idea.
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14:23:56 <tink> ... avoiding gendered words like "businessman" for example.
14:24:44 <Barb_H> Source https://www.mypronouns.org/resources
14:24:55 <hober> s/singular.. pronouns/singular "they"/
14:25:01 <tink> Wendy: +1 to Tess.
14:25:12 <tink> ... Learning new language is hard but we do it all the time.
14:25:38 <tink> Léonie: +1 to Tess and Wedny.
14:25:55 <chaals> present+
14:26:03 <tink> Barb: Intel reference an organisation that may be able to help.
14:26:09 <chaals> rrsagent, draft minutes please
14:26:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/08/18-idcg-minutes.html chaals
14:26:30 <tink> zakim, close item
14:26:30 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close item', tink
14:26:36 <tink> zakim, take up item 2
14:26:36 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Diversity fund update" taken up [from tink]
14:27:05 <koalie> present: Léonie, WendyR, Vagner, Barb, chaals
14:27:07 <koalie> scribenick: koalie
14:27:18 <koalie> q+
14:27:26 <koalie> q-
14:27:36 <chaals> present+ Tess
14:28:32 <vagner> vagner has joined #idcg
14:29:31 <koalie> Coralie: I'm happy with the amount pledged that is pretty similar to last year's (roughly 14K)
14:30:28 <chaals> [+1 WBS is probably not ideal…]
14:30:47 <koalie> Wendy: application process?
14:31:07 <chaals> q+ to suggest we ask for email applications - maintaining the criteria that we're not going to be judging on written english but the meaning of the content in the application
14:32:12 <koalie> Coralie: we usually time applications with TPAC registration
14:32:24 <koalie> ... this is delayed to September 8
14:32:53 <koalie> ... we need a WBS form, form the committee
14:33:10 <koalie> Wendy: we need to sort out how/when we can give fund on hand
14:33:36 <koalie> Léonie: perhaps we can give them money before people make the purchase
14:33:55 <koalie> ... this would fix the problem of people being out of pocket, and W3C fulfilling
14:34:13 <koalie> ack ch
14:34:13 <Zakim> chaals, you wanted to suggest we ask for email applications - maintaining the criteria that we're not going to be judging on written english but the meaning of the content in the
14:34:16 <Zakim> ... application
14:34:29 <koalie> chaals: WBS is clunky if you're not used to it
14:34:52 <koalie> ... asking for a basic message "this is what I want and what I'm going to do" on wechat whatsapp or else
14:35:00 <koalie> ... we want to make it easy
14:35:37 <koalie> ... we also need to reinforce that we are not going to judge how the requests are phrases
14:35:41 <koalie> s/ses/sed/
14:35:56 <wendyreid> q+
14:36:23 <koalie> ... We could ask for an e-mail link that verify expense
14:36:35 <koalie> ... because bank transfers are not cheap
14:36:57 <koalie> ... or making a payment through Amazon is fairly straight forward
14:37:10 <koalie> ack w
14:37:34 <koalie> WendyR: I just remembered that we may need to do more for people who don't have credit card or paypal
14:38:09 <koalie> Léonie: or reach out to someone in the community who's able to act as intermediary and help
14:38:56 <koalie> chaals: if you don't have a credit card and have an address, people know what services to use
14:39:20 <koalie> Léonie: the next step is to set us up
14:39:25 <Barb_H> +q
14:39:37 <koalie> Coralie: I take the action
14:39:48 <koalie> Wendy: we laid out the same criteria as last year
14:40:07 <koalie> ... Coralie, if you draft something, I'm happy to review
14:40:36 <koalie> chaals: we need to make sure applicants include how much money they need
14:40:49 <koalie> ack B
14:40:57 <koalie> Barb: is this only for TPAC?
14:41:11 <koalie> ... the reason I ask is we have a very successful ML workshop
14:41:33 <koalie> ... in the future, could other venues or events leverage the diversity fund?
14:41:48 <chaals> [I am most interested in looking at how we leverage the experience of the diversity fund to cover particpation in a wider range of activities…]
14:42:04 <koalie> Léonie: my immediate reaction with chair hat off is that it would be a good idea
14:42:12 <koalie> ... perhaps if there's left-over fund
14:42:49 <koalie> chaals: I'm especially interested in this
14:43:02 <tink> zakim, close the que
14:43:02 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close the que', tink
14:43:11 <koalie> ... it's a very important exercise
14:43:18 <koalie> Zakim, close this item
14:43:18 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
14:43:19 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:43:19 <Zakim> 1. PubRules guidance on gender identity [from tink]
14:43:25 <koalie> Zakim, agenda?
14:43:25 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda:
14:43:26 <Zakim> 1. PubRules guidance on gender identity [from tink]
14:43:26 <Zakim> 3. ERB update [from tink]
14:43:26 <Zakim> 4. Feedback about the proposed BLM statement [from tink]
14:43:26 <Zakim> 5. Scheduling a virtual TPAC meeting with the PWE CG [from tink]
14:43:26 <Zakim> 6. Adding an "outcomes" section to the thematic pages [from tink]
14:43:28 <tink> https://github.com/w3c/idcg/issues/14
14:43:42 <koalie> Zakim, take up item 3
14:43:42 <Zakim> agendum 3. "ERB update" taken up [from tink]
14:43:46 <koalie> Tess: No news
14:43:55 <koalie> Zakim, close this item
14:43:55 <Zakim> agendum 3 closed
14:43:56 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:43:56 <Zakim> 1. PubRules guidance on gender identity [from tink]
14:44:02 <chaals> s/exercise/exercise and I have actually secured a (sofar small) funding commitment if we can make it work
14:44:08 <koalie> Zakim, take up next item
14:44:08 <Zakim> agendum 1. "PubRules guidance on gender identity" taken up [from tink]
14:44:13 <koalie> Zakim, take up next item
14:44:13 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, koalie
14:44:16 <koalie> Zakim, close item 1
14:44:16 <Zakim> agendum 1, PubRules guidance on gender identity, closed
14:44:17 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:44:17 <Zakim> 4. Feedback about the proposed BLM statement [from tink]
14:44:20 <koalie> Zakim, take up next item
14:44:20 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Feedback about the proposed BLM statement" taken up [from tink]
14:44:42 <koalie> Léonie: Review ends at midnight Eastern Time tonight
14:44:54 <koalie> ... WendyR has a summary
14:46:10 <koalie> WendyR: one comment about "violence", another @@, and third which I find is the most valid was whether ours was a marketing message as there's been a lot already
14:46:20 <chaals> [I suspect going slowly actually reinforces the message that this is about being serious, rather than just leaping on a marketing bandwagon]
14:46:44 <koalie> ... with regard to rewriting, I have not done yet proposed anything
14:46:49 <koalie> ... regarding "violence"
14:47:01 <chaals> s/@@/was the suggestion that 'all lives matter' as a reason not to support a statement particularly aboput black lives
14:47:30 <tink> zakim, q?
14:47:30 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
14:47:44 <Barb_H> + q
14:47:49 <koalie> WendyR: @@
14:48:52 <tink> zakim, q?
14:48:52 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
14:48:57 <koalie> s/about "/about suggesting we condone "/
14:49:46 <chaals> s/@@/Many organisations have pointed out that they don't like violence, and while it has occurred, we hope that solving the systemic oroblems like racism will actually lead to a reduction in violence which we would like to see
14:49:57 <koalie> Léonie: Is there anymore we can or should do beyond including the list of actions
14:50:06 <koalie> ... to reinforce this is not a marketing statement
14:50:10 <koalie> WendyR: I don't think so
14:50:26 <koalie> ... A few had wording suggestions, we can look at those
14:50:37 <vagner> q+ should we say something on comments on the time to statement has passed?
14:50:48 <chaals> q+ vagner
14:51:03 <koalie> Barb: you may want to double check what other people have done
14:51:16 <koalie> ... Grace Hopper put a statement that is anti-violence and anti-racism
14:51:44 <koalie> ... on the actions, I reviewed with upper management
14:52:37 <koalie> ... if you put yourself in the [shoes] of your audience, you can review whether your wording works
14:52:53 <koalie> ... I'll post the link to the Linux Foundation
14:53:00 <koalie> ack v
14:53:23 <koalie> Vagner: I saw comments that the time to make a statement has passed already
14:53:26 <koalie> ... do we concur?
14:53:29 <chaals> q+ to respond to vagner
14:53:34 <koalie> ... should we change anything in the statement?
14:53:39 <tink> koalie: q+
14:53:50 <koalie> q+ tink
14:54:02 <koalie> s/koalie: q+//
14:54:02 <tink> zakim, close the queue
14:54:02 <Zakim> ok, tink, the speaker queue is closed
14:54:02 <chaals> q- later
14:54:03 <Barb_H> Linux Foundation program link in their statement - https://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/diversity-inclusiveness/programs/
14:54:28 <koalie> ack t
14:54:40 <koalie> Léonie: two thoughts on timeliness
14:55:00 <chaals> q-
14:55:10 <koalie> ... a global brand started their statement by saying they took time to do their research before they published their statement
14:55:16 <koalie> ... it was a good rationale
14:55:18 <Barb_H> Grace Hopper - https://www.gracehopper.com/blog/fullstack-stands-with-the-black-lives-matter-movement
14:55:36 <koalie> Léonie:  my other thought: what is really hard is momentum
14:55:48 <koalie> ... that can be helpful to support us
14:55:56 <koalie> ... I think it's still valuable for us to respond
14:55:59 <wendyreid> +1
14:56:04 <Barb_H> Grace Hopper - Anti racism, Anti violence message
14:56:20 <chaals> [Indeed]
14:56:29 <koalie> <koalie> +1
14:56:37 <koalie> Zakim, close this item
14:56:37 <Zakim> agendum 4 closed
14:56:37 <Barb_H> +1
14:56:38 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:56:38 <Zakim> 5. Scheduling a virtual TPAC meeting with the PWE CG [from tink]
14:56:41 <chaals> s/ndeed/+1 to Léonie]
14:56:50 <koalie> Léonie: we've been planning a joing meeting with the PWE CG during TPAC
14:57:13 <koalie> ... since both meet at 2pm UTC on Tuesdays, we want to meet on October 13
14:57:20 <koalie> ... <heads-up />
14:57:26 <koalie> Topic: next meeting
14:57:39 <koalie> Léonie: in two weeks at 2pm UTC
14:57:43 <koalie> ... thanks everyone
14:57:52 <koalie> ... let's keep working away at these things
14:58:15 <koalie> regrets: Tzviya
14:58:17 <koalie> rrsagent, please draft minutes v2
14:58:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/08/18-idcg-minutes.html koalie
14:58:37 <koalie> regrets+ JulienT
14:58:39 <koalie> rrsagent, please draft minutes v2
14:58:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/08/18-idcg-minutes.html koalie
15:00:26 <koalie> s/TOPIC:/Meeting:/
15:00:28 <koalie> rrsagent, please draft minutes v2
15:00:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/08/18-idcg-minutes.html koalie
15:00:39 <koalie> chair: LéonieWatson
15:00:40 <koalie> rrsagent, please draft minutes v2
15:00:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/08/18-idcg-minutes.html koalie
15:01:44 <koalie> i|relevant issues|scribenick: tink|
15:01:45 <koalie> rrsagent, please draft minutes v2
15:01:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/08/18-idcg-minutes.html koalie
15:02:27 <koalie> regrets+ wseltzer
15:02:31 <koalie> rrsagent, please draft minutes v2
15:02:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/08/18-idcg-minutes.html koalie
15:02:49 <koalie> present+ Coralie
15:03:08 <koalie> rrsagent, please draft minutes v2
15:03:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/08/18-idcg-minutes.html koalie
15:49:22 <koalie> s/coule/could
15:49:29 <koalie> s/dny/ndy/
15:52:08 <koalie> s/aboput/about/
15:52:43 <koalie> s/oroblems/problems/
15:54:00 <koalie> s/I+1/+1/
15:54:34 <koalie> i|Léonie: we've been planning|Topic: Scheduling a virtual TPAC meeting with the PWE CG|
15:54:38 <koalie> rrsagent, please draft minutes v2
15:54:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/08/18-idcg-minutes.html koalie
15:55:37 <koalie> RRSAgent, bye
15:55:37 <RRSAgent> I see no action items