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12:59:16 <Zakim> Meeting: Accessibility Conformance Testing Teleconference
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13:00:03 <Wilco> agenda+ Results of CFC on updates to the ACT rule process
13:00:11 <Wilco> agenda+ Form control has non-empty accessible name: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/93339/ACTFormControl/results
13:00:18 <Wilco> agenda+ Object element has non-empty accessible name: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/93339/ACTObjectName/results
13:00:30 <Wilco> agenda+ ARIA required owned elements: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/93339/ACTRuleARIArequiredOwns/results
13:00:37 <Wilco> agenda+ All table headers have assigned data cells: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/93339/ACTTableHeaders/results
13:00:40 <Wilco> agenda+ Issue 474 - Can we streamline the rule update process? https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/issues/474
13:00:46 <Wilco> agenda+ Rule tracking table - Revisit list, get status, and update: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/conformance-testing/wiki/Rule_Publication_Tracking
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13:01:01 <dmontalvo> present+ Daniel
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13:04:07 <kathyeng> scribe: kathyeng
13:04:10 <Wilco> present+
13:04:12 <hdv> present+ Hidde
13:04:12 <kathyeng> present+
13:04:12 <maryjom> present+
13:04:13 <trevor> present+
13:04:25 <Wilco> agenda+ ACT rules page redesign
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13:04:32 <Wilco> zakim, take up item 8
13:04:32 <Zakim> agendum 8. "ACT rules page redesign" taken up [from Wilco]
13:04:42 <MoeKraft> present+ MoeKraft
13:04:53 <MoeKraft> I will have to drop at 9:30 EDT
13:05:11 <cpandhi> present+
13:05:14 <kathyeng> hidde: am working on supplemental guidance for wcag like techniques and understanding docs
13:05:31 <dmontalvo> present+ Daniel
13:05:47 <kathyeng> ... consistency of WAI resources
13:06:05 <kathyeng> ... to include ACT rules
13:06:51 <kathyeng> ... header, footer, links to supporting info shown
13:07:15 <kathyeng> ... comments welcome
13:07:51 <kathyeng> ... separate main content from meta info for users to find important info
13:09:32 <kathyeng> trevor: is "Rule:" necessary? may be repetitive on all rules
13:10:06 <kathyeng> ... h1 tag after seems weird
13:10:31 <kathyeng> ... what is reading order of page?
13:11:00 <kathyeng> hidde: about this page is last. it's marked as supplementary. a screen reader can jump to it if want to
13:11:13 <kathyeng> trevor: it looks really nice
13:12:31 <kathyeng> moe: who is audience? why develop a different presentation for ACT rules?
13:13:22 <kathyeng> hidde: redesigning understanding and techniques to WAI and wcag for consistent look
13:14:00 <kathyeng> wilco: share link in IRC and ask for feedback from mailing list and how to provide commments
13:14:40 <kathyeng> zakim, close item 8
13:14:40 <Zakim> agendum 8, ACT rules page redesign, closed
13:14:41 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
13:14:41 <Zakim> 1. Results of CFC on updates to the ACT rule process [from Wilco]
13:14:53 <kathyeng> zakim, take up next
13:14:53 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Results of CFC on updates to the ACT rule process" taken up [from Wilco]
13:14:59 <hdv> Wider redesign project: https://github.com/w3c/wai-wcag-supporting-documents-redesign/wiki/Requirements-Analysis     issues welcome here: https://github.com/w3c/wai-wcag-supporting-documents-redesign/issues
13:15:33 <kathyeng> wilco: CFC this week about updating the rule process. 4 approvals, no objections
13:15:55 <kathyeng> ... accepted, merge PR
13:16:59 <kathyeng> zakim, take up next
13:16:59 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Form control has non-empty accessible name: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/93339/ACTFormControl/results" taken up [from Wilco]
13:17:26 <kathyeng> wilco: 6 responses
13:18:24 <kathyeng> ... Assumptions, I don't know from Detlev
13:20:15 <kathyeng> trevor: concerned about the disclaimer, but it's a common disclaimer
13:20:26 <kathyeng> wilco: noted, move on
13:22:04 <kathyeng> ... kathy asked why button isn't included in rule. maybe had a button rule already and then wrote this one.
13:22:46 <kathyeng> maryjo: also menuitem. maybe this rule is focused on input
13:25:39 <kathyeng> kathy: maybe add an explanation why button has a separate rule since they both check for non-empty accname
13:26:13 <kathyeng> charu: change this rules name for input or select
13:26:52 <kathyeng> ... instead of "form controls" and then explain why buttons and menuitem not included
13:27:26 <kathyeng> wilco: "form fields" better?
13:28:18 <MoeKraft> I have to drop but nice hearing everyone on the call.
13:28:34 <kathyeng> ... reasonable to split up input fields, select fields, buttons to separate rules
13:29:18 <kathyeng> ... substantial change requiring this rule to be deprecated
13:29:37 <kathyeng> maryjo: is that necessary?
13:30:40 <kathyeng> wilco: this rule covers input and select. why not 2 separate rules? hesitation is aria 1.2 may change
13:31:02 <kathyeng> ... can we provide this feedback and approve this rule?
13:32:29 <kathyeng> ... deprecate later if necessary
13:32:55 <kathyeng> ... 6 approvals, can go to CFC
13:33:08 <kathyeng> zakim, take up next
13:33:08 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Object element has non-empty accessible name: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/93339/ACTObjectName/results" taken up [from Wilco]
13:33:52 <kathyeng> wilco: 7 responses
13:34:42 <kathyeng> ... empty accname for decorative object would be appropriate in assumptions should be added
13:36:07 <kathyeng> ... implementation data charu's comment add other ways to provide accname
13:38:09 <kathyeng> kathy: H53: Using the body of the object element (https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG21/Techniques/html/H53.html) to provide the text alternative.
13:39:42 <kathyeng> wilco: that technique does not work in Chrome
13:40:07 <kathyeng> ... think H53 is wrong
13:40:29 <kathyeng> ... inconsistency in this rule and wcag
13:41:08 <kathyeng> charu: H53 provides fallback if object doesn't load but doesn't provide accname
13:41:32 <kathyeng> wilco: I will open an issue with wcag about H53
13:43:11 <kathyeng> ... Question 5 my comment - this rule maps to 1.1.1 assuming object is loading non-text content. loading an HTML page is not non-text content. think mapping is wrong
13:43:49 <kathyeng> trevor: are you thinking of adding more requirements to the rule? depending on what the object holds
13:45:42 <kathyeng> wilco: for video, this would map to 1.1.1. Other pages would be different
13:47:59 <kathyeng> maryjo: how do screenreaders handle objects with text alternative?
13:50:40 <kathyeng> wilco: comment from moe to explain failures more. agree
13:50:48 <kathyeng> ... not ready to publish
13:51:45 <kathyeng> ... liaison - mary jo
13:51:56 <kathyeng> zakim, take up next
13:51:56 <Zakim> agendum 4. "ARIA required owned elements: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/93339/ACTRuleARIArequiredOwns/results" taken up [from Wilco]
13:52:28 <kathyeng> wilco: 5 responses
13:52:46 <Wilco> https://act-rules.github.io/rules/bc4a75#passed-example-4
13:53:34 <kathyeng> trevor: invalid html
13:54:20 <kathyeng> ... aria-checked value needed
13:55:01 <kathyeng> wilco: add attribute to fix
14:00:47 <kathyeng> ... explicit and implicit roles identical - ul/li example li in div
14:01:00 <kathyeng> ... liaison - trevor
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