<rob_fentress> present
<Matt_King> Hadi can't log into aria-at.w3.org
<Matt_King> MK: what's required is membership in the tester's team in github
<Matt_King> mk: have to be member of w3 org
<Matt_King> Hadi: I have joined group formally
jongund scribe: jongund
jongund jongund: Hadi and students can't login to aria-at.w3.org
jongund MK: Must be on the tester team
jongund Jemma: Simon adds people to tester team
jongund MK: I think I can and Michael can add people to the team
jongund Hadi: I am a member of this group
jongund MK: He needs to be in the w3c org
jongund MK: There should be some information on the wiki
jongund MK: ... reviewing current members
jongund MK: It is not everyone who did testing
jongund Jemma: Simon took github handles and added them
jongund .. discussion of various teams ...
jongund MK: We need to add you to a gitub team
<scribe> ACTION: MK will add Hadi to testing
MK: I have budget for the 40
weeks on rest of the year for Bocoup time
... So part of that work will be V2 of aria-at app
... Use case prioritization for V2
... We could discuss that today
... We have some usability feedback, also identify missing
features
... Prototyping screen reader automation
... We will pick one or two screen reader with prototyping
automation
... This will take a long time, so this is just a starting
place
... A certain amount of this time will the APG design
work
... Other piece of Bocoup update
... Face book is committed to the project
... By the end of 2023 there will be 5 screen readers know how
they work with every APG patterns
... I didn't say a specific browsers, the NVDA, JAWS, VO on
macOS, VO iOS and Talkback on Android
Hadi: I would like to discuss adding Narrator to the list
MK: No screen reader is excluded,
for example Orca and Narrator can be included, but Facebook is
committed to the first 5 mentioned
... I am trying to give a clear outcome for the Facebook
investiment
... Facebook is willing to support the vision
RF: Do you think Microsoft would be willing to support
MK: I would not recommend talking
to other companies right now, I am working on a plan
... The team that we have and the state we are in, we have
limited resources to bring in more screen readers
Hadi: The landscape of screen
readers users is changing, within a year Narrator may become
much be more popular
... I suggest we at least invite them, and maybe they can
become a good player
<Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria-at/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3AAgenda%2B
Hadi: They are doing custom changes that every browser can benefit from
MK: This is an open group, so
people from Microsoft is welcome to participate
... Increasing scope to include Narrator will take more
disucussion
... Bocoup will return around August 17th
... Bocoup may participate in August 12th meeting
<Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria-at/pull/284
https://github.com/w3c/aria-at/pull/284
MK: can JG look at this one too
<Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria-at/pull/283
https://github.com/w3c/aria-at/pull/283
MF: I request the HTML files be rebuilt
BF: I did that
MF: I will review
MK: Simon requested the generated
files in the pull request not be included
... Generated files a useful for testing the test cases, but
when you merge that the generated files are ignored
... We need to right a rule to ignore HTML files in the test
case directory
... Do we need to put in a .gitignore in each direcorty
MF: There are some other ways by restructuring the project
MK: There is a part of me that ..., the CSV files are the source and we are doing a make
MF: The .gitignore is kind of
hacky
... I would need to do some investigation on the test harness
to know who the commit could be use to generate the files
MK: I am going to create a use
case of the issue
... We don't what them ignored in the GH pages
MF: If there is no build process..
MK: We have a build process
MF: We need a larger discussion
with Bocoup
... We just need to do what we are doing now
MK: We have 4 changed files and
there were no conflicts
... We just keep going along as we are until we can figure out
a better way
... We need to prioritize test writing and make sure the test
are easy for people to review
... MF will look at 383
https://github.com/w3c/aria-at/pull/272
MF: It is improving validation
and JG approved
... Should I merge?
MK: OK to merge
MF: I will do it right now
https://github.com/w3c/aria-at/pull/267
MFL This would have been caught if we had the validotor
MK: Merge this too
MF: Merged
... Lodash merged
https://github.com/w3c/aria-at/pull/266
MK: Merge this
... We can go back and rewrite some menu bar tests
RF: We can change some shift+tab and tab commands
https://github.com/w3c/aria-at/pull/163
MF: I might just close this
one
... Adjust commands to assign names to them
MK: Same command could be used multiple tests?
MF: Add additional information to each command about what it does
<Joe_Humbert_> I have to jump off. Jon Gunderson get in touch will me so we can look at conflicts
MK: In my view when you read through this thing, I feel we need to normailze it some how
<Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria-at/blob/master/tests/resources/keys.mjs
MK: looking at the file..
... We have entries, like line 7, 8 and 9,
control+option....
... 9 is just both 7 and 8
... This is for tests that require both 7 and 8 to work
... I think this getting out of control when we add more ATs,
so we need to think about this file
... Should be standardize it like ARIA hot keys
Hadi: Do you want to start a conversion through e-mail
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