IRC log of wai-curricula on 2020-07-28

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14:39:56 [dmontalvo]
Meeting: WAI Curricula Task Force Meeting
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Date: July 28 2020
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chair: Daniel
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Agenda+ FYIs on proposals we have been working on
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Agenda+ Are images of text functional, complex, or both?
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Agenda+ Topic on Progressive Enhancement
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present + Estella
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present+ Estella
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present+ Daniel
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chair: Daniel
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agenda?
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present+
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zakim, take up next
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agendum 1. "FYIs on proposals we have been working on" taken up [from dmontalvo]
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present+ Gerhard
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Topic: New layout for competencies to avoid repetition
15:06:45 [dmontalvo]
Zakim: https://deploy-preview-238--wai-curricula.netlify.app/curricula/developing-accessible-content/structure-and-semantics/#competencies
15:06:45 [dmontalvo]
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15:07:08 [shadi]
DM: gruoped competencies to avoid repetition
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...and added explan/collapse to allow skipping
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...thoughts on this?
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GN: looks good
15:08:14 [shadi]
...like this version much more
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https://wai-curricula.netlify.app/curricula/developing-accessible-content/structure-semantics-and-navigation/
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EO: like this much more
15:10:52 [shadi]
...but were prerequisits removed?
15:11:00 [shadi]
DM: no, just linked to overview page
15:11:31 [dmontalvo]
https://deploy-preview-238--wai-curricula.netlify.app/curricula/developing-accessible-content/structure-and-semantics/#competencies
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EO: better structured in this new version
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present+ Howard
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https://deploy-preview-238--wai-curricula.netlify.app/curricula/developing-accessible-content/structure-and-semantics/#competencies
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15:13:53 [shadi]
Topic: Learning outcomes to sign-post cross references
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https://deploy-preview-238--wai-curricula.netlify.app/curricula/developing-accessible-content/structure-and-semantics/#topic-page-headings
15:14:37 [shadi]
DM: agreed we need to sign-post related requirements for other roles
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...new proposal in topic "Section Headings"
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[[describe complimentary requirements for authoring heading texts and designing visual styles for headings]]
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...could have similar learning outcomes throughout as needed
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...any thoughts on this approach?
15:17:13 [dmontalvo]
[[describe complimentary requirements for authoring text alternatives of textual and complex images]]
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CD: do you think "complimentary requirements" understood?
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...or does it need some description?
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HK: little confusing
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...maybe example but may get too long
15:24:16 [shadi]
GN: agree confusing without example or such
15:28:30 [shadi]
SAZ: how could we address the issue differently?
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EO: think one of the issues is the term "describe"
15:29:03 [shadi]
...would use a more specific verb
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...maybe "identify" or "list"
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CD: also wonder about the term "complimentary"
15:29:58 [shadi]
...maybe can be more explicit that these relate to other roles
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...like "describe requirements for content authors that write headings and visual designers that style them"
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GN: maybe "have an idea of how write and design headings"
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DM: maybe "list"
15:34:00 [shadi]
...inline Bloom's Taxonomy
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EO: also change from passive to active
15:35:58 [shadi]
DM: will take back this input
15:36:22 [shadi]
Topic: Broadening scope of Module 2
15:36:46 [dmontalvo]
https://deploy-preview-238--wai-curricula.netlify.app/curricula/developing-accessible-content/navigational-menus/
15:37:29 [shadi]
DM: now also include application menus
15:37:44 [shadi]
...was planning to have them in the widgets module
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...but now have them here
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...thoughts on this?
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https://wai-curricula.netlify.app/curricula/developing-accessible-content/navigational-menus/
15:39:47 [dmontalvo]
https://wai-curricula.netlify.app/curricula/developing-accessible-content/navigational-menus/
15:40:07 [shadi]
CD: concerned about complexity of this topic
15:40:17 [shadi]
...requires knowledge of WAI-ARIA
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...is this something that students know?
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DM: refer to some ARIA concepts in the prior module
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...like headings and landmarks
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...maybe need to add to the competencies
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CD: agree
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GN: not sure if application menus should be commonly used
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...sometimes misused
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...should add comment on that
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DM: could be a learning outcome
15:43:58 [shadi]
...scoping application menus
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...to clarify when to use and potential down-sides
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...not interchangeable to use both types of menus
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...explicitly for desktop-like applications
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EO: replaced "single-level" and "multi-level"?
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DM: not exactly, just organized content differently
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HK: good thing is consistency with Tutorials
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...easier cross-referencing
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SAZ: was definitely not by intention
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...started off from scratch to not get biased
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...but went in circles and came back to Tutorials structure
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...probably good indication for Tutorials!
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...or subconcious bias
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HK: good thing to have this consistency
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CD: looks good
15:53:07 [shadi]
...agree with GN about adding caution note
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DM: need to be much more clear about scope of application menus
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...and explaining the difference to other menus
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HK: maybe specifically add "not common"
15:54:39 [shadi]
...directly in the heading
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SAZ: in the past such generic labelling had become limiting
15:56:22 [shadi]
...prefer to do in the learning outcomes
15:56:32 [shadi]
...teachers need to decide what they want to teach
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CD: first learning outcome "identify situations where an application menu is appropriate"
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...although not sure if that is a competency for developers
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DM: "identify" does not mean they are solely responsible for it
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...enough to have some degree of awareness
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Topic: Closing
15:59:35 [shadi]
DM: would like to ask you to go through the two remaining agenda items
15:59:55 [shadi]
...where would you place "images of text" in the current organization?
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...and other agenda item is on Module 6
16:00:33 [shadi]
...currently first topic is introduction to WAI-ARIA
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...but that repeats the Intro curriculum
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...suggest introducing concept of progressive enhancement instead
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DM: not sure about meeting next week, will let you know
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Topic: Introductions
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GN: first project on accessible design in 1997
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...did some lectures over the years
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...look forward to this work on curricula
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DM: thank you Gerhard!
16:05:14 [dmontalvo]
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