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14:41:55 <dauwhe_> Meeting: Publishing Business Group Steering Committee
14:42:48 <dauwhe_> dauwhe_ has changed the topic to: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-publishing-sc/2020Mar/0018.html
14:47:54 <Ralph> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2020/07/21-ab-minutes.html#t01
14:48:06 <Ralph> s|agenda: https://www.w3.org/2020/07/21-ab-minutes.html#t01||
14:48:19 <Ralph> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-publishing-sc/2020Jul/0005.html
14:48:44 <Ralph> rrsagent, please make record public
14:52:51 <Ralph> agenda+ Webinar updates, comments on slides
14:52:59 <Ralph> agenda+ WG charter news
14:53:04 <Ralph> agenda+ TPAC Planning
14:53:06 <Ralph> agenda+ AOB
14:53:40 <Ralph> -> https://www.w3.org/2020/07/10-pbgsc-minutes.html previous 10-July
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14:56:13 <Ralph> present+ George, Ralph
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15:00:47 <Ralph> present+ WendyReid, Cristhina
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15:03:01 <Ralph> present+ Shiohama
15:03:31 <Ralph> zakim, next item
15:03:31 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Webinar updates, comments on slides" taken up [from Ralph]
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15:03:48 <Ralph> -> https://github.com/w3c/publ-webinar/blob/master/PublishingJuly2020.pptx?raw=true current webinar slide set
15:04:04 <dauwhe> scribe+ dauwhe
15:04:11 <Bill_Kasdorf> present+ Bill_Kasdorf
15:04:15 <dauwhe> Ralph: will someone walk us through the slides?
15:04:22 <dauwhe> ... is that the best use of our time?
15:04:38 <dauwhe> wendyreid: many of us have seen the slides
15:04:46 <dauwhe> ... OK if people view on their own and send comments
15:05:10 <dauwhe> Avneesh: the sessions are very small; if something needs to change please provide brief comments
15:05:18 <Ralph> -> https://www.w3.org/2020/07/publ-webinar/ Webinar
15:05:22 <dauwhe> Ralph: we can't squeeze a lot in the time we have
15:05:30 <dauwhe> ... we want half of the hour for discussion
15:05:57 <dauwhe> ... any presenters have issues?
15:06:14 <dauwhe> Cristina: I didn't get the final version
15:06:21 <dauwhe> Ralph: there's a link in IRC
15:06:35 <dauwhe> George: that link didn't work
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15:06:42 <dauwhe> q?
15:06:46 <Ralph> -> https://github.com/w3c/publ-webinar/blob/master/PublishingJuly2020.pptx?raw=true current webinar slide set
15:06:59 <dauwhe> George: I've been going into Zoom and doing a recording of my slides
15:07:02 <cristina> present+
15:07:10 <dauwhe> ... it does two things: you're getting practice at your presentation
15:07:31 <dauwhe> ... I've done two or three takes, and then I've asked Richard to edit the glitches
15:07:38 <dauwhe> ... it goes very smoothly
15:08:02 <dauwhe> Ralph: the presenters met yesterday
15:08:07 <dauwhe> ... tzviya will be the MC
15:08:18 <dauwhe> ... we will have live captionists
15:09:01 <dauwhe> ... if you pre-record please let tzviya know, as she drives the slides
15:09:04 <Avneesh> I did run down today and my speech was 5 min and 9 sec. So, it looks that I will keep the time.
15:09:26 <dauwhe> Cristina: how do you record?
15:09:40 <dauwhe> George: I go into Zoom, start recording, then start screen sharing and run the slides
15:10:09 <dauwhe> ... when it comes to your turn, it just starts playing your recording
15:10:11 <Avneesh> q+
15:10:35 <wendyreid> q+
15:10:52 <Ralph> present+ Garth
15:10:57 <dauwhe> Avneesh: clever people know that you're not visible on the screen
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15:11:31 <dauwhe> Ralph: if presenters want to do this, please experiment ahead of time
15:11:37 <dauwhe> George: might already be too late
15:12:11 <dauwhe> wendyreid: the easier way is to incorporate the recording in the slide block
15:12:36 <dauwhe> ... daihei, were you going to do additional slides for Japan, on top of what Cristina is doing?
15:12:43 <Ralph> present+ Jeff_Xu
15:12:47 <dauwhe> ... I haven't seen any slides from you, and the captionist needs to see them
15:13:01 <dauwhe> Daihei: I haven't come up with them, but I am intending to review the slides here
15:13:15 <dauwhe> ... is there room for me to include one or two slides?
15:13:25 <dauwhe> wendyreid: I would need them today because of the captionist
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15:13:39 <dauwhe> Daihei: could I just insert slides wherever I want?
15:13:45 <garth> present+ Garth
15:13:46 <dauwhe> wendyreid: send me the slides and I'll insert them
15:14:39 <dauwhe> Ralph: we had 52 people for Monday
15:15:00 <dauwhe> ... (ralph pauses dramatically)
15:15:12 <dauwhe> ... we have 56 now
15:15:20 <liisamk> q+
15:15:28 <dauwhe> George: have links been sent to participants?
15:15:31 <dauwhe> Ralph: yes
15:16:03 <dauwhe> Ralph: I'll send links to late registrants
15:16:07 <Ralph> ack next
15:16:16 <dauwhe> liisamk: any value to send another notice?
15:16:44 <dauwhe> Ralph: we could do that
15:16:53 <dauwhe> ... I'd want to strip out those who already registered
15:16:59 <dauwhe> ... lemme talk to Karen
15:17:09 <George> +1 to resend reminder
15:17:16 <Ralph> zakim, next item
15:17:16 <Zakim> agendum 2. "WG charter news" taken up [from Ralph]
15:17:45 <dauwhe> Ralph: we're doing OK on # of members who responded
15:17:58 <dauwhe> ... more support, esp. from the pub industry, is beneficial
15:18:03 <dauwhe> q+
15:18:07 <garth> q+
15:18:13 <wendyreid> scribe+
15:18:23 <wendyreid> dauwhe: We did get one response that suggested changes
15:18:32 <wendyreid> ... I have submitted a PR to address those changes
15:19:01 <dauwhe> Ralph: the director likes to see the group that authored the charter react to suggested changes
15:19:15 <dauwhe> q?
15:19:17 <dauwhe> ack gar
15:19:35 <dauwhe> garth: looking at the website, it says 30 answers received, but 29 visible
15:19:41 <dauwhe> ... is there some un-public vote?
15:19:56 <dauwhe> Ralph: an AC member can choose to make their response non-visible
15:20:01 <dauwhe> q?
15:20:07 <garth> q?
15:20:15 <Ralph> zakim, next item
15:20:15 <Zakim> agendum 3. "TPAC Planning" taken up [from Ralph]
15:20:25 <dauwhe> Ralph: the reason this is on the agenda
15:20:43 <dauwhe> ... we need to decide what meeting times we would like to ask to be scheduled
15:20:51 <dauwhe> ... are we going to propose a breakout session?
15:21:09 <dauwhe> ... I presume that if the EPUB WG is chartered, it would like to have its first meeting around the time of TPAC
15:21:15 <dauwhe> ... unless you tell me otherwise
15:21:29 <mateus> q+
15:21:31 <dauwhe> ... mateus and jeff might want the CG to meet?
15:21:39 <dauwhe> ... the schedule is being done a little differently
15:22:06 <dauwhe> ... we're encouraging each group to independently schedule times on a wiki to help resolve conflicts
15:22:35 <dauwhe> ... the bigger challenge will be the ten hours of breakout sessions
15:23:05 <dauwhe> ... over five days, with a lot of sessions trying to squeeze into those slots
15:23:12 <dauwhe> ... do we want to propose breakouts?
15:23:19 <dauwhe> mateus: you answered my Q
15:23:27 <dauwhe> ... it would be good to have a CG meeting
15:24:06 <dauwhe> Ralph: each group can schedule itself; the big challenge will be the breakout slots
15:24:32 <dauwhe> ... do we need a BG meeting during TPAC?
15:24:41 <dauwhe> liisamk: we'll discuss on Monday
15:25:16 <dauwhe> Ralph: a goal of tpac is to encourage groups to meet together, or for people to observe
15:25:21 <Daihei> q+
15:25:38 <dauwhe> Daihei: it's going to be different from last year
15:25:54 <dauwhe> ... because of the f2f last year, many of the publishing companies executives
15:26:09 <dauwhe> ... attended tpac
15:26:53 <dauwhe> ... it could be not a regular PBG but something special, making it a special conference under tpac about publishing as a whole
15:27:02 <dauwhe> ... I will discuss that on monday with the PBG chairs
15:27:15 <dauwhe> Ralph: almost anything can fit in the context of TPAC
15:27:25 <dauwhe> ... the challenge will be times of day, given time zone issues
15:27:40 <dauwhe> Daihei: because it's once a year, easier to gain attention from special people
15:27:45 <dauwhe> Ralph: I hope that's true
15:28:41 <dauwhe> Ralph: any other thoughts on TPAC?
15:28:42 <Ralph> zakim, next item
15:28:42 <Zakim> agendum 4. "AOB" taken up [from Ralph]
15:28:55 <wendyreid> q+
15:28:57 <liisamk> q+
15:29:01 <dauwhe> Ralph: anything else on your mind
15:29:08 <dauwhe> wendyreid: I wanted to ask the BG chairs
15:29:21 <dauwhe> ... we've been doing updates on the EPUB charter for the last ten thousand weeks
15:29:42 <dauwhe> ... for the next couple of weeks, could we have some time for audiobooks, since we're getting close to the end of the charter
15:29:44 <George> q+
15:30:00 <dauwhe> ... I would love to hear from business group members on that
15:30:29 <dauwhe> garth: looks like the google implementation of audiobook is going to be live in the next week
15:30:32 <mateus> q+
15:30:56 <dauwhe> ... so if you want to practice on us, go ahead :)
15:31:07 <dauwhe> Ralph: ok if that's in the public record?
15:31:10 <dauwhe> garth: yes
15:31:21 <dauwhe> liisamk: maybe garth can talk abou that at the next BG meeting
15:31:40 <dauwhe> ... and I can see if leslie wants to talk about her efforts with coresource etc
15:32:13 <dauwhe> ... Mateus and Jeff, you asked about another co-chair, someone to help with administrative work and maybe start a task force
15:32:17 <dauwhe> ... I have found you someone
15:32:46 <dauwhe> ... I would like to put forward Alex Grover (?) and I'd like him to start a task force on FXL+reflow
15:32:58 <dauwhe> .... we've talked about business cases in the BG
15:33:08 <dauwhe> ... Alex would be good and technical at building samples
15:33:30 <Daihei> +1 to Liisa/Alex for PCG
15:33:31 <garth> s/next week/next week or two/
15:33:41 <dauwhe> mateus: that's great. Thanks!
15:33:45 <dauwhe> Ralph: that's wonderful!
15:34:07 <dauwhe> liisamk: he's also been looking at the a11y task force stuff, and has been testing our a11y
15:34:27 <dauwhe> Avneesh: he was on the last call
15:34:39 <dauwhe> liisamk: I'll make introductions
15:34:46 <garth> q?
15:34:54 <dauwhe> George: my comment is back about PBG announcement on charter
15:35:11 <dauwhe> ... it's always appropriate to include the ask about assigning people to the working group
15:35:30 <dauwhe> ... there is a wide range of skills needed, it would be good to get a wide range of people
15:35:50 <dauwhe> Ralph: how many survey respondents said they would participate? A lot :)
15:36:05 <dauwhe> mateus: I wanted to ask wendyreid about audiobooks
15:36:41 <dauwhe> ... I assume this already happened, but is there any role the CG could play to help transition the PWG into the PCG
15:36:59 <dauwhe> wendyreid: I think we need a maintenance WG; I haven't talked to Ivan yet
15:37:08 <dauwhe> ... but I would love for people to join the CG
15:37:21 <dauwhe> ... and incubate some audiobook features, like bitrate switching
15:37:32 <dauwhe> ... audiobook folx should be everywhere
15:37:37 <dauwhe> Ralph: a spec is never done :)
15:37:48 <garth> q?
15:38:13 <dauwhe> ... and the CG is a good place to talk about next steps for a spec
15:38:21 <dauwhe> mateus: I'd be happy to join a call about these issues
15:38:37 <dauwhe> Ralph: I bet ivan has already done something
15:39:13 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
15:39:15 <dauwhe> ... any time we close a WG, we should point participants to another venue for discussion, in this case the CG
15:39:16 <George> q+
15:40:14 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: I presume that work would be done in an audiobook task force, so you should create the task force now.
15:40:21 <dauwhe> Ralph: that's part of what you were thinking, Mateus?
15:40:23 <dauwhe> mateus: yes
15:40:28 <liisamk> +1 to task force for audiobook
15:40:45 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: there are people in the CG who don't know about audiobooks
15:40:54 <dauwhe> George: I heard talk about a task force and specs
15:41:13 <dauwhe> ... there are lot of questions people have, implementation issues, best practices, just building the knowledge base in the community
15:41:24 <dauwhe> ... can that happen in the CG?
15:42:02 <dauwhe> Ralph: yes
15:42:15 <Avneesh> question of George was about best practices for publishing in general (I think)
15:42:43 <dauwhe> George: I think
15:42:48 <dauwhe> George:
15:43:27 <dauwhe> Ralph: there might be enough interest for a tech task force working on the spec
15:43:39 <dauwhe> ... and a deployment task force for people who want to use the spec
15:43:49 <garth> q?
15:43:53 <dauwhe> wendyreid: I want other people to write documentation
15:44:05 <George> I wanted to know where education and outreach wouldlive.
15:44:16 <dauwhe> Ralph: I heard great feedback from the Legible presentation at the BG this week
15:44:25 <liisamk> q+
15:44:35 <dauwhe> liisamk: that went well and was interesting
15:44:49 <dauwhe> ... it helped with trying to find what else is out there
15:45:13 <dauwhe> ... we skated around business model questions
15:45:25 <zheng_xu> q+
15:45:26 <dauwhe> ... they invited us to help them test, because it's not released
15:45:40 <dauwhe> ... I want to know what they mean by that offer
15:45:56 <dauwhe> ... are they asking their competitors to help test?
15:46:25 <dauwhe> Ralph: I'll check the minutes
15:46:33 <dauwhe> ... we do need to be careful about talking about such issues
15:47:19 <dauwhe> zheng_xu: it's a good direction to work on practical and current issue, and possibly move to WG or if not create guidelines
15:47:24 <dauwhe> ... including for the Japanese market
15:47:33 <dauwhe> ... the content guidelines there are old
15:47:40 <dauwhe> ... I met with Daihei before
15:47:46 <Daihei> q+
15:47:49 <dauwhe> ... we can extend direction about more rich content
15:48:01 <dauwhe> ... we have good input on starting task forces and CG
15:48:13 <dauwhe> ... I'll work with Mateus etc to get started as soon as possible
15:48:19 <garth> q?
15:48:19 <dauwhe> Ralph: I have to do the renaming
15:48:58 <dauwhe> Daihei: what zheng_xu mentioned, the EBPAJ guidelines issued a while ago, everyone is talking about revising it
15:49:26 <dauwhe> ... there is some red tape...
15:49:34 <dauwhe> ... this is a good opportunity to push this
15:49:52 <dauwhe> ... cooperation with CG and Japan, with some localization for Japan
15:50:08 <dauwhe> ... and Taiwan has translated these into Chinese
15:50:32 <dauwhe> ... I will work closely with zheng_xu and mateus to introduce them to people here
15:50:45 <dauwhe> Ralph: it will be good to share resources that already exist
15:51:31 <dauwhe> Ralph: we mentioned that the audiobook presentation for the EDRLab things, everyone liked the NNELS presentation there
15:51:39 <dauwhe> ... they tweeted some announcements today
15:51:47 <dauwhe> ... we should invite NNELS to the BG to present
15:52:02 <garth> q?
15:53:14 <dauwhe> George: hello
15:53:21 <dauwhe> Ralph: we guessed at your question
15:53:34 <dauwhe> ... I don't know if the answer dave scribed answered your question or some other question
15:53:54 <dauwhe> George: it was just best practices, etc etc around audiobooks, is that where people go for answers?
15:53:56 <dauwhe> wendyreid: yes
15:54:04 <dauwhe> ... there have been lots of requests for documentation
15:54:25 <dauwhe> q+
15:55:02 <wendyreid> dauwhe: I just find it interesting that we have an industry where we do all the work as volunteers
15:55:18 <Bill_Kasdorf> plus we're PUBLISHING
15:55:19 <wendyreid> ... as opposed to browser vendors where there's paid developer relations people
15:55:36 <dauwhe> Ralph: I think many working groups have an education and outreach component
15:55:52 <dauwhe> ... publishing isn't as unique as you implied ;)
15:56:28 <dauwhe> Ralph: see y'all on Monday
15:56:39 <Ralph> zakim, end meeting
15:56:39 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been George, Ralph, Avneesh, WendyReid, Cristhina, mateus, liisamk, dauwhe, Daihei, Shiohama, Bill_Kasdorf, cristina, Garth, Jeff_Xu
15:56:42 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
15:56:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/07/24-pbgsc-minutes.html Zakim
15:56:44 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, Ralph; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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16:11:31 <Ralph> rrsagent, bye
16:11:31 <RRSAgent> I see no action items