W3C

– DRAFT –
Publishing Steering Committee

10 July 2020

Attendees

Present
Avneesh, Daihei, dauwhe, Garth, George, ivan, Liisa, Mateus, Ralph, Tzviya, Wendyreid
Regrets
-
Chair
Tzviya
Scribe
garth

Meeting minutes

<Ralph> previous 26-June

Update on webinar

tzviya: 23 registrants, so far
… Japanese version just went out
… New email to go to 100 who were interested in survey updates
… We expect more registrations, so tentatively “off to a good start.”
… PPT template is done; all preso’s into one.
… Daihei & Shinya & Avneesh will join for Asia Q&A
… There will be live captions; 30 min of speaking then Q&A.
… Slides will go to this group before going to captionist.

<Ralph> Webinar GitHub repo

tzviya: Slides will be in our github repository.

CC update

mateus: Jeff & Mateus in Charter discussions
… Build off initial work of EPUB 3 by Wendy & Dave
… Model around incubation
… Committees around different areas and features.
… CC is broad in scope and surface area — thus need sub-groups (or task forces) targeted at issues and largely self-manage.
… and have their own deliverables.
… Also aid broad publishing engagement.
… Seem to have relatively straight forward governing structure (with Mateus and Jeff as leadership).
… Leaders will coordinate across sub-groups and across W3C.
… Need 3rd co-chair, who can help with logistics and coordination.
… Draft of charter should go out soon-ish.
… That’s where we are!

tzviya: Call for 3rd chair for CC — focus on logistics: meetings, what belongs where, repositories, et al.

George: 3rd chair could be really important; George can’t do.
… when we make this call should we also be asking for task-force chairs at the same time? Maybe one of them?

wendyreid: +1

<mateus> +1

wendyreid: Looking for somebody outside this group — geo diversity would be good too.

Avneesh: With distributed governance — do we really need more chairs — task force leads may be sufficient.

<Zakim> tzviya, you wanted to comment on how many chairs

Avneesh: Need to find strong task force chairs.

tzviya: Lets get started now with two chairs and hunting for task force chairs.
… If okay with Mateus & Jeff.

Ralph: +1
… Likes George’s idea of getting TF’s going and see who might want to move to chair-ing.

George: One mailing list for whole CC; need task-force prefixes to make it more manageable.

<Zakim> mateus, you wanted to agree and a a couple other notes

mateus: Agree with previous points.
… Main issue — Mateus and Jeff aren’t generally available on regular basis. Work better asynchronously.
… Whomever is in logistics role needs more regular availability. That’s the main issue.
… See how much engagement comes from task-force discussions — centralized or distributed?
… Merge membership of EPUB 3 CG into Publishing CG — still unresolved.

ralph: Decision was made to do that (merger) — Ralph will do so.
… and communicate name change from EPUB 3 to Publishing CG.

<Zakim> Ralph, you wanted to comment on merging CGs

tzviya: Tzviya, Ralph, Jeff, Mateus should meet to kick off — Tzviya could do some actual meeting running.

<ivan> I can help with the mechanics (github, etc) except when I am on vacations:-)

liisamk: Check with her folks, so see if they can step forward for TF lead or even 3rd chair. Woo hoo.

<Ralph> Liisa++

George: When/how will various TF’s be scoped and formed and recruited? Avneesh on A11Y. Best practices? New features?

tzviya: Need to see what group wants to work on. New features is likely too broad for a TF. New idea submissions need to drive it.

mateus: +1
… hard to define such work in a Charter — incubation shouldn’t be pre-defined.

<Avneesh> +1 to allow task force come up depending on which work items gain traction.

mateus: Some will fizzle some will get traction.

<wendyreid> +1

mateus: Folks should propose ideas for TF’s. Merged membership should help get traction.
… Communities need to rally around TF ideas.
… Maybe the likes of “scripting?”

tzviya: Need to move forward with Charter and see where we go.

Ivan: TF’s need to be easy to creature and easy to stop. Need to be lightweight.
… Charter should reflect a strong relationship between CG and WG.

<mateus> +1

Ivan: Less mature work should be in CG. Member should understand this strong relationship.

tzviya: action for subset to get together and see Charter soon.

Ivan: EPUB 3 WG Charter

EPUB 3 WG charter review status in W3C Members

Ivan: Mid-term time now.
… Working on list of who should vote (that haven’t yet).
… Table of votes that are missing, that would eb good to have.
… AMZN, AAPL, BISG for example.
… Long list — see Doc.
… Also has “good to have”s. Tables has proposals for folks to contact looking for those votes.
… For W3M process.
… More important to convince new folks to join WG (as well as vote). AAPL & AMZN particularly, as well as Chinese folks.

dauwhe: Process is confusing. How many votes to we need?

Ralph: Not firm number — but need “enough” — W3M wants to see more response from the Advisory Committee.

dauwhe: Yes, “enough” is opaque.

ivan: For example, the reason to reach our to AAPL is less to get one more vote than participation.

dauwhe: 4.2% of W3C members had voted for the Charter.

Daihei_: Approached Japanese members to vote.
… They all want to be members of WG.
… Some have voted, but many have not.
… Will look at Doc and hunt for votes! :-)
… Such members want WG going and want to participate — so getting votes shouldn’t be too hard.

ivan: Feel free to add names to the Doc.

Presentations to BG

tzviya: Proposals for presentations to the BG.
… Ralph had prepared proposals for discussions.

<Ralph> Potential Agenda items for BG

tzviya: Doc out of APA — re cognitive A11Y — good example and they want feedback.

<wendyreid> +1

liisamk: Legible are doing presentation in both time-zone meetings.
… Thorium demo was quite helpful.
… Need regroup on Sept schedule.
… It will happen and get presentations on calendar.

<Daihei_> +1 to Liisa

liisamk: Should focus on what to do move business forward.
… Not exactly W3C match, but we try to head that way.

tzviya: Cognitive disability work would be a business impacting example.

<Ralph> +1 excellent dpub seminar from NNELS

wendyreid: NNELS should present on practicalities of audiobooks and business impact.

liisamk: Should promote that presentation. But need to worry about duplication — maybe later this year.

wendyreid: good to overlap with vote on Audiobook standard.

Avneesh: Should link to existing presentation, as it’s done.
… One PBG call per month — in each of two timezones.
… so 12 presentation per year.
… Is there time for other business.
… PBG should be discussing the likes of FL A11Y such that BG can promote to CG or WG.
… Need to make sure there is time for both presentation and discussions.

liisamk: +1 to time management.
… Should also use shared Doc to collect areas for discussion as well as for presentations.

<Ralph> [I think the BG chairs are entitled and authorized to determine an appropriate set of agendae for BG meetings]

Avneesh: Good idea to brainstorm on such ideas and then delegate to technical groups. Need sufficient ideas.
… Should be problems in community that BG can help resolve.

wendyreid: Tuesday’s call — for first time in awhile there was a real business discussion (manga cost of production)
… Is that something we need to dig into?
… More to learn about that that topic — should that be a topic of presentation? Are there solutions out there?
… Nice business oriented conversation.

Daihei_: Reponse to Wendy’s FL manga & reflow-able — pretty specific to Japanese.

<Ralph> [+1 to the value of all such "presentations" being to reveal where there is interest in further discussion]

Daihei_: Japan gap document.
… Working on solutions for these issues.
… When solutions become available, they shall be posted to Publishing @ W3C.

Ralph: Thanks Daihei.
… Richard needs such expert input.
… Need to identify experts who are willing to get together and talk about these issues.

ivan: Folks in Doc in green have already votes; don’t bother them again.

<Ralph> [adjourned]

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