Meeting minutes
<Ralph> previous 26-June
Update on webinar
tzviya: 23 registrants, so
far
… Japanese version just went out
… New email to go to 100 who were interested in survey
updates
… We expect more registrations, so tentatively “off to
a good start.”
… PPT template is done; all preso’s into one.
… Daihei & Shinya & Avneesh will join for Asia
Q&A
… There will be live captions; 30 min of speaking then
Q&A.
… Slides will go to this group before going to
captionist.
<Ralph> Webinar GitHub repo
tzviya: Slides will be in our github repository.
CC update
mateus: Jeff & Mateus in
Charter discussions
… Build off initial work of EPUB 3 by Wendy & Dave
… Model around incubation
… Committees around different areas and features.
… CC is broad in scope and surface area — thus need
sub-groups (or task forces) targeted at issues and largely
self-manage.
… and have their own deliverables.
… Also aid broad publishing engagement.
… Seem to have relatively straight forward governing
structure (with Mateus and Jeff as leadership).
… Leaders will coordinate across sub-groups and across
W3C.
… Need 3rd co-chair, who can help with logistics and
coordination.
… Draft of charter should go out soon-ish.
… That’s where we are!
tzviya: Call for 3rd chair for CC — focus on logistics: meetings, what belongs where, repositories, et al.
George: 3rd chair could be
really important; George can’t do.
… when we make this call should we also be asking for
task-force chairs at the same time? Maybe one of them?
wendyreid: +1
<mateus> +1
wendyreid: Looking for somebody outside this group — geo diversity would be good too.
Avneesh: With distributed governance — do we really need more chairs — task force leads may be sufficient.
<Zakim> tzviya, you wanted to comment on how many chairs
Avneesh: Need to find strong task force chairs.
tzviya: Lets get started now
with two chairs and hunting for task force chairs.
… If okay with Mateus & Jeff.
Ralph: +1
… Likes George’s idea of getting TF’s going and see
who might want to move to chair-ing.
George: One mailing list for whole CC; need task-force prefixes to make it more manageable.
<Zakim> mateus, you wanted to agree and a a couple other notes
mateus: Agree with previous
points.
… Main issue — Mateus and Jeff aren’t generally
available on regular basis. Work better asynchronously.
… Whomever is in logistics role needs more regular
availability. That’s the main issue.
… See how much engagement comes from task-force
discussions — centralized or distributed?
… Merge membership of EPUB 3 CG into Publishing CG —
still unresolved.
ralph: Decision was made to
do that (merger) — Ralph will do so.
… and communicate name change from EPUB 3 to
Publishing CG.
<Zakim> Ralph, you wanted to comment on merging CGs
tzviya: Tzviya, Ralph, Jeff, Mateus should meet to kick off — Tzviya could do some actual meeting running.
<ivan> I can help with the mechanics (github, etc) except when I am on vacations:-)
liisamk: Check with her folks, so see if they can step forward for TF lead or even 3rd chair. Woo hoo.
<Ralph> Liisa++
George: When/how will various TF’s be scoped and formed and recruited? Avneesh on A11Y. Best practices? New features?
tzviya: Need to see what group wants to work on. New features is likely too broad for a TF. New idea submissions need to drive it.
mateus: +1
… hard to define such work in a Charter — incubation
shouldn’t be pre-defined.
<Avneesh> +1 to allow task force come up depending on which work items gain traction.
mateus: Some will fizzle some will get traction.
<wendyreid> +1
mateus: Folks should propose
ideas for TF’s. Merged membership should help get traction.
… Communities need to rally around TF ideas.
… Maybe the likes of “scripting?”
tzviya: Need to move forward with Charter and see where we go.
Ivan: TF’s need to be easy
to creature and easy to stop. Need to be lightweight.
… Charter should reflect a strong relationship between
CG and WG.
<mateus> +1
Ivan: Less mature work should be in CG. Member should understand this strong relationship.
tzviya: action for subset to get together and see Charter soon.
Ivan: EPUB 3 WG Charter
EPUB 3 WG charter review status in W3C Members
Ivan: Mid-term time now.
… Working on list of who should vote (that haven’t
yet).
… Table of votes that are missing, that would eb good
to have.
… AMZN, AAPL, BISG for example.
… Long list — see Doc.
… Also has “good to have”s. Tables has proposals for
folks to contact looking for those votes.
… For W3M process.
… More important to convince new folks to join WG (as
well as vote). AAPL & AMZN particularly, as well as Chinese
folks.
dauwhe: Process is confusing. How many votes to we need?
Ralph: Not firm number — but need “enough” — W3M wants to see more response from the Advisory Committee.
dauwhe: Yes, “enough” is opaque.
ivan: For example, the reason to reach our to AAPL is less to get one more vote than participation.
dauwhe: 4.2% of W3C members had voted for the Charter.
Daihei_: Approached Japanese
members to vote.
… They all want to be members of WG.
… Some have voted, but many have not.
… Will look at Doc and hunt for votes! :-)
… Such members want WG going and want to participate —
so getting votes shouldn’t be too hard.
ivan: Feel free to add names to the Doc.
Presentations to BG
tzviya: Proposals for
presentations to the BG.
… Ralph had prepared proposals for discussions.
<Ralph> Potential Agenda items for BG
tzviya: Doc out of APA — re cognitive A11Y — good example and they want feedback.
<wendyreid> +1
liisamk: Legible are doing
presentation in both time-zone meetings.
… Thorium demo was quite helpful.
… Need regroup on Sept schedule.
… It will happen and get presentations on calendar.
<Daihei_> +1 to Liisa
liisamk: Should focus on
what to do move business forward.
… Not exactly W3C match, but we try to head that way.
tzviya: Cognitive disability work would be a business impacting example.
<Ralph> +1 excellent dpub seminar from NNELS
wendyreid: NNELS should present on practicalities of audiobooks and business impact.
liisamk: Should promote that presentation. But need to worry about duplication — maybe later this year.
wendyreid: good to overlap with vote on Audiobook standard.
Avneesh: Should link to
existing presentation, as it’s done.
… One PBG call per month — in each of two timezones.
… so 12 presentation per year.
… Is there time for other business.
… PBG should be discussing the likes of FL A11Y such
that BG can promote to CG or WG.
… Need to make sure there is time for both
presentation and discussions.
liisamk: +1 to time
management.
… Should also use shared Doc to collect areas for
discussion as well as for presentations.
<Ralph> [I think the BG chairs are entitled and authorized to determine an appropriate set of agendae for BG meetings]
Avneesh: Good idea to
brainstorm on such ideas and then delegate to technical groups. Need
sufficient ideas.
… Should be problems in community that BG can help
resolve.
wendyreid: Tuesday’s call —
for first time in awhile there was a real business discussion (manga
cost of production)
… Is that something we need to dig into?
… More to learn about that that topic — should that be
a topic of presentation? Are there solutions out there?
… Nice business oriented conversation.
Daihei_: Reponse to Wendy’s FL manga & reflow-able — pretty specific to Japanese.
<Ralph> [+1 to the value of all such "presentations" being to reveal where there is interest in further discussion]
Daihei_: Japan gap document.
… Working on solutions for these issues.
… When solutions become available, they shall be
posted to Publishing @ W3C.
Ralph: Thanks Daihei.
… Richard needs such expert input.
… Need to identify experts who are willing to get
together and talk about these issues.
ivan: Folks in Doc in green have already votes; don’t bother them again.
<Ralph> [adjourned]