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14:43:51 <Zakim> Meeting: Publishing Steering Committee
14:43:57 <Ralph> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-publishing-sc/2020Jul/0000.html
14:44:04 <Ralph> -> https://www.w3.org/2020/06/26-pbgsc-minutes.html previous 26-June
14:44:16 <Ralph> agenda+ Publishing CG Update (Mateus)
14:44:16 <Ralph> agenda+ Community Webinar update (Karen, Tzviya)
14:44:16 <Ralph> agenda+ Business Group Presentation Proposals [3]
14:44:17 <Ralph> agenda+ AOB
14:56:12 <tzviya> present+
14:57:31 <Ralph> present+
14:57:34 <Ralph> present+ Daihei
14:57:46 <Ralph> present+ Avneesh
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15:02:07 <Ralph> present+ George, Liisa
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15:06:05 <garth> topic: Update on webinar
15:06:31 <garth> tzviya: 23 registrants, so far
15:06:38 <garth> … Japanese version just went out
15:06:56 <garth> … New email to go to 100 who were interested in survey updates
15:07:21 <garth> … We expect more registrations, so tentatively “off to a good start.”
15:07:56 <garth> … PPT template is done; all preso’s into one.
15:08:30 <garth> … Daihei & XX & Avenesh will join for Asia Q&A
15:08:50 <liisamk> q+
15:08:52 <ivan> s/XX/Shinya/
15:09:00 <ivan> s/Avenesh/Avneesh/
15:09:03 <garth> … There will be live captions; 30 min of speaking then Q&A.
15:09:04 <tzviya> ack liisamk
15:09:33 <tzviya> ack Ralph
15:09:37 <garth> … Slides will go to this group before going to captionist.
15:09:53 <Ralph> -> https://github.com/w3c/publ-webinar Webinar GitHub repo
15:10:22 <garth> … Slidesd will be in our github repository.
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15:10:36 <Ralph> present+ Mateus
15:10:38 <garth> s/Slidesd/Slides/
15:10:46 <garth> topic: CC update
15:11:01 <garth> mateus: Jeff & Mateus in Charter discussions
15:11:19 <garth> … Build off initial work of EPUB 3 by Wendy & Dave
15:11:29 <garth> … Model around inccubation
15:12:00 <garth> … Committees around different areas and features.
15:12:39 <garth> … CC is broad in scope and surface area — thus need sub-groups (or task forces) targeted at issues and largely self-manage.
15:12:51 <garth> … and have their own deliverables.
15:13:01 <garth> … Also aid broad publishing engagement.
15:13:41 <garth> … Seem to have relatively straight forward governing structure (with Mateus and Jeff as leadership).
15:14:01 <garth> … Leaders will corrdinate across sub-groups and across W3C.
15:14:20 <garth> … Need 3rd co-chair, who can help with logistics and coordination.
15:14:50 <tzviya> q+
15:14:59 <garth> … Draft of charter should go out soon-ish.
15:15:10 <tzviya> ack tz
15:15:13 <garth> … That’s where we are!
15:16:17 <George> q+
15:16:19 <garth> tzviya: Call for 3rd chair for CC — focus on logistics: meetings, what belongs where, repositories, et al.
15:16:37 <wendyreid> q+
15:16:55 <Avneesh> q+
15:17:02 <garth> George: 3rd chair could be really important; Geroge can’t do.
15:17:35 <garth> … when we make this call should we also be asking for task-force chairs at the same time?  Maybe one of them?
15:17:41 <garth> wendyreid: +1
15:17:57 <mateus> +1
15:18:37 <garth> … Looking for somebody outside this group — geo diversity would be good too.
15:18:55 <garth> q?
15:19:42 <tzviya> q+ to comment on how many chairs
15:19:57 <garth> Avneesh: With distributed govnerance — do we really need mroe chairs — task force leads may be sufficient.
15:20:05 <Zakim> tzviya, you wanted to comment on how many chairs
15:20:11 <garth> … Need to find strong task force chairs.
15:20:28 <George> q+
15:20:33 <garth> tzviya: Lets get started now with two chairs and hunting for task force chairs.
15:20:51 <garth> … If okay with Mateus & Jeff.
15:21:00 <garth> Ralph: +1
15:21:03 <mateus> q+ to agree and a a couple other notes
15:21:52 <garth> … Likes George’s idea of getting TF’s going and see who might want to move to chair-ing.
15:22:32 <garth> George: One mailing list for whole CC; need task-force prefixes to make it more managable.
15:22:36 <Zakim> mateus, you wanted to agree and a a couple other notes
15:22:47 <garth> mateus: Agree with previosu points.
15:23:40 <garth> … Main issue — Mateus and Jeff aren’t generally available on regular basis.  Work better asynchronously.
15:24:03 <tzviya> q+
15:24:14 <garth> … Whomever is in logistics role needs more regular availability.  That’s the main issue.
15:24:45 <garth> … See how much engagement comes from task-force discusisons — centralized or distributed?
15:25:22 <garth> … Merge membership of EPUB 3 CG into Publishing CG — still unresolved.
15:25:50 <garth> ralph: Decision was made to do that (merger) — Ralph will do so.
15:25:59 <liisamk> q+
15:26:12 <garth> … and communicate name change from EPUB 3 to Publishing CG.
15:26:20 <garth> q?
15:26:26 <ivan> ack Ralph
15:26:26 <Zakim> Ralph, you wanted to comment on merging CGs
15:26:49 <tzviya> ack me
15:27:58 <garth> tzviya: Tzviya, Ralph, Jeff, Mateus should meet to kick off — Tzviya could do some actual meeting running.
15:27:59 <tzviya> ack liisamk
15:28:12 <ivan> I can help with the mechanics (github, etc) except when I am on vacations:-)
15:28:38 <garth> liisamk: Check with her folks, so see if they can step forward for TF lead or even 3rd chair.  Woo hoo.
15:28:39 <Ralph> Liisa++
15:28:49 <George> q+
15:28:57 <tzviya> ack George
15:30:07 <garth> George: When/how will various TF’s be scoped and formed and recruited?  Avneesh on A11Y.  Best practices?  New features?
15:30:10 <mateus> q+
15:30:48 <ivan> q+
15:30:52 <garth> tzviya: Need to see what group wants to work on.  New features is likely too broad for a TF.  New idea submissions need to drive it.
15:30:52 <tzviya> ack mateus
15:30:55 <ivan> ack mateus
15:30:57 <garth> mateus: +1
15:31:20 <garth> … hard to define such work in a Charter — incubation shouldn’t be pre-defined.
15:31:32 <Avneesh> +1 to allow task force come up depending on which work items gain traction.
15:31:37 <garth> … Some will fizzle some will get traction.
15:31:52 <wendyreid> +1
15:32:25 <garth> … Folks should propose ideas for TF’s.  Merged membership should help get tracktion.
15:32:38 <tzviya> q?
15:32:39 <garth> … Communities need to rally around TF ideas.
15:32:55 <garth> … Maybe the likes of “scripting?”
15:33:00 <tzviya> ack iv
15:33:08 <garth> tzviya: Need to move foward with Charter and see where we go.
15:33:28 <garth> Ivan: TF’s need to be easy to creature and easy to stop.  Need to be lightweight.
15:33:57 <garth> … Charter should reflect a strong relationship between CG and WG.
15:33:59 <mateus> +1
15:34:23 <garth> … Less mature work should be in CG.  Member should understand this strong relationship.
15:34:46 <garth> tzviya: action for subset to get together and see Charter soon.
15:35:01 <garth> Ivan: EPUB 3 WG Charter
15:35:03 <Ralph> topic: EPUB 3 WG charter review status in W3C Members
15:35:10 <garth> … Mid-term time now.
15:35:42 <garth> … Working on list of who should vote (that haven’t yet).
15:35:50 <ivan> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OHxYLTf4WfsAo08d2G3Csaf3ktCykZ9mPsUOgFm8oCQ/edit#gid=979272795
15:36:10 <Ralph> s|https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OHxYLTf4WfsAo08d2G3Csaf3ktCykZ9mPsUOgFm8oCQ/edit#gid=979272795||
15:36:31 <garth> … Table of votes that are missing, that would eb good to have.
15:36:45 <dauwhe> q+
15:36:51 <garth> … AMZN, AAPL, BISG for example.
15:37:10 <garth> … Long list — see Doc.
15:37:55 <garth> … Also has “good to have”s.   Tables has proposals for folks to contact looking for those votes.
15:37:58 <garth> q?
15:38:20 <garth> … Almost have enough votes in now.
15:38:34 <garth> … For W3M process.
15:39:20 <garth> … More important to convince new folks to join WG (as well as vote).  AAPL & AMZN particulately, as well as Chineese folks.
15:39:23 <Daihei_> q+
15:39:24 <tzviya> ack dauwhe
15:39:37 <Ralph> s/… Almost have enough votes in now.//
15:39:48 <garth> dauwhe: Process is confusing.  How many votes to we need?
15:40:11 <garth> Ralph: Not firm number — but need “enough” — somewhat more than we have now.
15:40:19 <tzviya> ack Daihei_
15:40:46 <tzviya> q+ Daihei_
15:40:47 <garth> dauwhe: Yes, “enough” is opaque.
15:41:30 <garth> ivan: For example, the reason to reach our to AAPL is less to get one more vote than participation.
15:41:51 <tzviya> ack dai
15:41:55 <garth> dauwhe: 4.2% of W3C members had voted for the Charter.
15:42:03 <Ralph> s/somewhat more than we have now/W3M wants to see more response from the Advisory Committee
15:42:30 <garth> Daihei_: Approached Japanese members to vote.
15:42:41 <garth> … They all want to be members of WG.
15:43:02 <garth> … Some have voted, but many have not.
15:43:26 <garth> … Will look at Doc and hunt for votes!  :-)
15:44:18 <garth> … Such members want WG going and want to particpate — so getting voes shouldn’t be too hard.
15:44:34 <garth> ivan: Feel free to add names to the Doc.
15:45:01 <garth> tzviya: Proposals for presentstions to the BG.
15:45:26 <garth> … Ralph had prepared proposals for discussions.
15:45:38 <Ralph> -> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kJjQKW7spNYietObiADhi7hfssXaJw2RnU-4iNZ0nfs/edit Potential Agenda items for BG
15:46:01 <Ralph> i/tzviya: Proposals/topic: Presentations to BG
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15:46:27 <liisamk> q+
15:46:29 <garth> … Doc out of APA — re cognitive A11Y — good example and they want feedback.
15:46:31 <tzviya> ack liisamk
15:46:34 <wendyreid> +1
15:46:53 <garth> liisamk: Legible are doing presentation in both time-zone meetings.
15:47:06 <garth> … Thorium demo was quite helpful.
15:47:39 <garth> … Need regroup on Sept scehdule.
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15:47:50 <tzviya> q?
15:48:03 <garth> … It will happen and get presentations on calendar.
15:48:18 <Ralph> chair: Tzviya
15:48:23 <Daihei_> +1 to Liisa
15:48:42 <garth> … Should focus on what to do move buseinss forward.
15:48:56 <garth> … Not exactly W3C match, but we try to head that way.
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15:49:31 <wendyreid> q+
15:49:35 <tzviya> ack wendyreid
15:49:52 <liisamk> q+
15:49:57 <garth> tzviya: Cognitive disability work would be a business impacting example.
15:50:26 <Ralph> +1 excellent dpub seminar from Nels
15:50:34 <garth> wendyreid: Nels(?) should present on practicalities of audiobooks and business impact.
15:50:38 <tzviya> ack liisamk
15:50:43 <tzviya> s/Mels/NNELS
15:50:52 <garth> s/(?)//
15:51:32 <Ralph> s/from Nels/from NNELS
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15:51:51 <garth> liisamk: Should promote that presentation.  But need to worry about duplication — mayeb later this year.
15:51:56 <Avneesh> q+
15:52:02 <tzviya> ack av
15:52:07 <ivan> s/mayeb/maybe/
15:52:12 <garth> wendyreid: good to overlap with vote on Audiobook standard.
15:52:31 <garth> Avneesh: Should link to existing presenttion, as it’s done.
15:52:42 <Ralph> s/Nels should/NNELS should
15:52:52 <garth> … One PBG call per month — in each of two timezones.
15:53:02 <garth> … so 12 presentstion per year.
15:53:15 <garth> … Is there time for other business.
15:53:38 <tzviya> q?
15:53:44 <garth> … PBG should be discussing the likes of FL A11Y such that BG can promote to CG or WG.
15:53:57 <liisamk> q+
15:54:02 <garth> … Need to make sure there is time for both presentstion and discussions.
15:54:04 <tzviya> ack liisamk
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15:54:14 <garth> liisamk: +1 to time mangement.
15:54:58 <garth> … Should also use shared Doc to collect areas for discussion as well as for presontsations.
15:55:32 <Ralph> [I think the BG chairs are entitled and authorized to determine an appropriate set of agendae for BG meetings]
15:55:39 <garth> Avneesh: Good idea to brainstorm on such ideas and then delegate to technical groups.  Need sufficient ideas.
15:55:55 <wendyreid> q+
15:56:09 <garth> … Should be problems in community that BG can help reoslve.
15:56:32 <tzviya> ack wendyreid
15:57:05 <garth> wendyreid: Tuesday’s call — for first time in awhile there was a real business discussion (manga cost of production)
15:57:30 <garth> … Is that something we need to dig into?
15:57:38 <Daihei_> q+
15:57:59 <garth> … More to learn about that that topic — should that be a topic of presentstion?  Are there solutions out there?
15:58:10 <liisamk> q+
15:58:16 <garth> … Nice business oriented conversation.
15:58:18 <tzviya> ack Daihei_
15:58:29 <liisamk> q-
15:59:03 <garth> Daihei_: Reponse to Wendy’s FL managa & reflow-able — pretty specfiic to Japanense.
15:59:09 <Ralph> [+1 to the value of all such "presentations" being to reveal where there is interest in further discussion]
15:59:15 <garth> … Japan gap document.
15:59:40 <garth> … Working on solutions for these isseus.
16:00:02 <garth> … When solutions become available, they shall be posted to Publishing @ W3C.
16:00:33 <garth> Ralph: Thanks Daihei.
16:01:03 <garth> … Richard needs such expert input.
16:01:09 <garth> q?
16:01:14 <garth> ack Ralph
16:01:46 <garth> … Need to identify experts who are willing to get together and talk about these issues.
16:02:36 <garth> ivan: Folks in Doc in green have already votes; don’t bother them agian.
16:02:36 <Ralph> [adjourned]
16:02:44 <Ralph> zakim, end meeting
16:02:44 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been tzviya, Ralph, Daihei, Avneesh, Daihei_, ivan, George, Liisa, liisamk, dauwhe, Garth, wendyreid, Mateus
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