IRC log of pbgsc on 2020-07-10

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Meeting: Publishing Steering Committee
14:43:57 [Ralph]
agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-publishing-sc/2020Jul/0000.html
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-> https://www.w3.org/2020/06/26-pbgsc-minutes.html previous 26-June
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agenda+ Publishing CG Update (Mateus)
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agenda+ Community Webinar update (Karen, Tzviya)
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agenda+ Business Group Presentation Proposals [3]
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agenda+ AOB
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present+
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present+
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present+ Daihei
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present+ Avneesh
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present+
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present+
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present+
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present+ George, Liisa
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present+
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present+
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present+ Garth
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present+
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present+ Garth
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scribe+
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topic: Update on webinar
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tzviya: 23 registrants, so far
15:06:38 [garth]
… Japanese version just went out
15:06:56 [garth]
… New email to go to 100 who were interested in survey updates
15:07:21 [garth]
… We expect more registrations, so tentatively “off to a good start.”
15:07:56 [garth]
… PPT template is done; all preso’s into one.
15:08:30 [garth]
… Daihei & XX & Avenesh will join for Asia Q&A
15:08:50 [liisamk]
q+
15:08:52 [ivan]
s/XX/Shinya/
15:09:00 [ivan]
s/Avenesh/Avneesh/
15:09:03 [garth]
… There will be live captions; 30 min of speaking then Q&A.
15:09:04 [tzviya]
ack liisamk
15:09:33 [tzviya]
ack Ralph
15:09:37 [garth]
… Slides will go to this group before going to captionist.
15:09:53 [Ralph]
-> https://github.com/w3c/publ-webinar Webinar GitHub repo
15:10:22 [garth]
… Slidesd will be in our github repository.
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15:10:36 [Ralph]
present+ Mateus
15:10:38 [garth]
s/Slidesd/Slides/
15:10:46 [garth]
topic: CC update
15:11:01 [garth]
mateus: Jeff & Mateus in Charter discussions
15:11:19 [garth]
… Build off initial work of EPUB 3 by Wendy & Dave
15:11:29 [garth]
… Model around inccubation
15:12:00 [garth]
… Committees around different areas and features.
15:12:39 [garth]
… CC is broad in scope and surface area — thus need sub-groups (or task forces) targeted at issues and largely self-manage.
15:12:51 [garth]
… and have their own deliverables.
15:13:01 [garth]
… Also aid broad publishing engagement.
15:13:41 [garth]
… Seem to have relatively straight forward governing structure (with Mateus and Jeff as leadership).
15:14:01 [garth]
… Leaders will corrdinate across sub-groups and across W3C.
15:14:20 [garth]
… Need 3rd co-chair, who can help with logistics and coordination.
15:14:50 [tzviya]
q+
15:14:59 [garth]
… Draft of charter should go out soon-ish.
15:15:10 [tzviya]
ack tz
15:15:13 [garth]
… That’s where we are!
15:16:17 [George]
q+
15:16:19 [garth]
tzviya: Call for 3rd chair for CC — focus on logistics: meetings, what belongs where, repositories, et al.
15:16:37 [wendyreid]
q+
15:16:55 [Avneesh]
q+
15:17:02 [garth]
George: 3rd chair could be really important; Geroge can’t do.
15:17:35 [garth]
… when we make this call should we also be asking for task-force chairs at the same time? Maybe one of them?
15:17:41 [garth]
wendyreid: +1
15:17:57 [mateus]
+1
15:18:37 [garth]
… Looking for somebody outside this group — geo diversity would be good too.
15:18:55 [garth]
q?
15:19:42 [tzviya]
q+ to comment on how many chairs
15:19:57 [garth]
Avneesh: With distributed govnerance — do we really need mroe chairs — task force leads may be sufficient.
15:20:05 [Zakim]
tzviya, you wanted to comment on how many chairs
15:20:11 [garth]
… Need to find strong task force chairs.
15:20:28 [George]
q+
15:20:33 [garth]
tzviya: Lets get started now with two chairs and hunting for task force chairs.
15:20:51 [garth]
… If okay with Mateus & Jeff.
15:21:00 [garth]
Ralph: +1
15:21:03 [mateus]
q+ to agree and a a couple other notes
15:21:52 [garth]
… Likes George’s idea of getting TF’s going and see who might want to move to chair-ing.
15:22:32 [garth]
George: One mailing list for whole CC; need task-force prefixes to make it more managable.
15:22:36 [Zakim]
mateus, you wanted to agree and a a couple other notes
15:22:47 [garth]
mateus: Agree with previosu points.
15:23:40 [garth]
… Main issue — Mateus and Jeff aren’t generally available on regular basis. Work better asynchronously.
15:24:03 [tzviya]
q+
15:24:14 [garth]
… Whomever is in logistics role needs more regular availability. That’s the main issue.
15:24:45 [garth]
… See how much engagement comes from task-force discusisons — centralized or distributed?
15:25:22 [garth]
… Merge membership of EPUB 3 CG into Publishing CG — still unresolved.
15:25:50 [garth]
ralph: Decision was made to do that (merger) — Ralph will do so.
15:25:59 [liisamk]
q+
15:26:12 [garth]
… and communicate name change from EPUB 3 to Publishing CG.
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q?
15:26:26 [ivan]
ack Ralph
15:26:26 [Zakim]
Ralph, you wanted to comment on merging CGs
15:26:49 [tzviya]
ack me
15:27:58 [garth]
tzviya: Tzviya, Ralph, Jeff, Mateus should meet to kick off — Tzviya could do some actual meeting running.
15:27:59 [tzviya]
ack liisamk
15:28:12 [ivan]
I can help with the mechanics (github, etc) except when I am on vacations:-)
15:28:38 [garth]
liisamk: Check with her folks, so see if they can step forward for TF lead or even 3rd chair. Woo hoo.
15:28:39 [Ralph]
Liisa++
15:28:49 [George]
q+
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ack George
15:30:07 [garth]
George: When/how will various TF’s be scoped and formed and recruited? Avneesh on A11Y. Best practices? New features?
15:30:10 [mateus]
q+
15:30:48 [ivan]
q+
15:30:52 [garth]
tzviya: Need to see what group wants to work on. New features is likely too broad for a TF. New idea submissions need to drive it.
15:30:52 [tzviya]
ack mateus
15:30:55 [ivan]
ack mateus
15:30:57 [garth]
mateus: +1
15:31:20 [garth]
… hard to define such work in a Charter — incubation shouldn’t be pre-defined.
15:31:32 [Avneesh]
+1 to allow task force come up depending on which work items gain traction.
15:31:37 [garth]
… Some will fizzle some will get traction.
15:31:52 [wendyreid]
+1
15:32:25 [garth]
… Folks should propose ideas for TF’s. Merged membership should help get tracktion.
15:32:38 [tzviya]
q?
15:32:39 [garth]
… Communities need to rally around TF ideas.
15:32:55 [garth]
… Maybe the likes of “scripting?”
15:33:00 [tzviya]
ack iv
15:33:08 [garth]
tzviya: Need to move foward with Charter and see where we go.
15:33:28 [garth]
Ivan: TF’s need to be easy to creature and easy to stop. Need to be lightweight.
15:33:57 [garth]
… Charter should reflect a strong relationship between CG and WG.
15:33:59 [mateus]
+1
15:34:23 [garth]
… Less mature work should be in CG. Member should understand this strong relationship.
15:34:46 [garth]
tzviya: action for subset to get together and see Charter soon.
15:35:01 [garth]
Ivan: EPUB 3 WG Charter
15:35:03 [Ralph]
topic: EPUB 3 WG charter review status in W3C Members
15:35:10 [garth]
… Mid-term time now.
15:35:42 [garth]
… Working on list of who should vote (that haven’t yet).
15:35:50 [ivan]
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OHxYLTf4WfsAo08d2G3Csaf3ktCykZ9mPsUOgFm8oCQ/edit#gid=979272795
15:36:10 [Ralph]
s|https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OHxYLTf4WfsAo08d2G3Csaf3ktCykZ9mPsUOgFm8oCQ/edit#gid=979272795||
15:36:31 [garth]
… Table of votes that are missing, that would eb good to have.
15:36:45 [dauwhe]
q+
15:36:51 [garth]
… AMZN, AAPL, BISG for example.
15:37:10 [garth]
… Long list — see Doc.
15:37:55 [garth]
… Also has “good to have”s. Tables has proposals for folks to contact looking for those votes.
15:37:58 [garth]
q?
15:38:20 [garth]
… Almost have enough votes in now.
15:38:34 [garth]
… For W3M process.
15:39:20 [garth]
… More important to convince new folks to join WG (as well as vote). AAPL & AMZN particulately, as well as Chineese folks.
15:39:23 [Daihei_]
q+
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ack dauwhe
15:39:37 [Ralph]
s/… Almost have enough votes in now.//
15:39:48 [garth]
dauwhe: Process is confusing. How many votes to we need?
15:40:11 [garth]
Ralph: Not firm number — but need “enough” — somewhat more than we have now.
15:40:19 [tzviya]
ack Daihei_
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q+ Daihei_
15:40:47 [garth]
dauwhe: Yes, “enough” is opaque.
15:41:30 [garth]
ivan: For example, the reason to reach our to AAPL is less to get one more vote than participation.
15:41:51 [tzviya]
ack dai
15:41:55 [garth]
dauwhe: 4.2% of W3C members had voted for the Charter.
15:42:03 [Ralph]
s/somewhat more than we have now/W3M wants to see more response from the Advisory Committee
15:42:30 [garth]
Daihei_: Approached Japanese members to vote.
15:42:41 [garth]
… They all want to be members of WG.
15:43:02 [garth]
… Some have voted, but many have not.
15:43:26 [garth]
… Will look at Doc and hunt for votes! :-)
15:44:18 [garth]
… Such members want WG going and want to particpate — so getting voes shouldn’t be too hard.
15:44:34 [garth]
ivan: Feel free to add names to the Doc.
15:45:01 [garth]
tzviya: Proposals for presentstions to the BG.
15:45:26 [garth]
… Ralph had prepared proposals for discussions.
15:45:38 [Ralph]
-> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kJjQKW7spNYietObiADhi7hfssXaJw2RnU-4iNZ0nfs/edit Potential Agenda items for BG
15:46:01 [Ralph]
i/tzviya: Proposals/topic: Presentations to BG
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15:46:27 [liisamk]
q+
15:46:29 [garth]
… Doc out of APA — re cognitive A11Y — good example and they want feedback.
15:46:31 [tzviya]
ack liisamk
15:46:34 [wendyreid]
+1
15:46:53 [garth]
liisamk: Legible are doing presentation in both time-zone meetings.
15:47:06 [garth]
… Thorium demo was quite helpful.
15:47:39 [garth]
… Need regroup on Sept scehdule.
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15:47:50 [tzviya]
q?
15:48:03 [garth]
… It will happen and get presentations on calendar.
15:48:18 [Ralph]
chair: Tzviya
15:48:23 [Daihei_]
+1 to Liisa
15:48:42 [garth]
… Should focus on what to do move buseinss forward.
15:48:56 [garth]
… Not exactly W3C match, but we try to head that way.
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q+
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ack wendyreid
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15:49:57 [garth]
tzviya: Cognitive disability work would be a business impacting example.
15:50:26 [Ralph]
+1 excellent dpub seminar from Nels
15:50:34 [garth]
wendyreid: Nels(?) should present on practicalities of audiobooks and business impact.
15:50:38 [tzviya]
ack liisamk
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s/Mels/NNELS
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s/(?)//
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s/from Nels/from NNELS
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/07/10-pbgsc-minutes.html Ralph
15:51:51 [garth]
liisamk: Should promote that presentation. But need to worry about duplication — mayeb later this year.
15:51:56 [Avneesh]
q+
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ack av
15:52:07 [ivan]
s/mayeb/maybe/
15:52:12 [garth]
wendyreid: good to overlap with vote on Audiobook standard.
15:52:31 [garth]
Avneesh: Should link to existing presenttion, as it’s done.
15:52:42 [Ralph]
s/Nels should/NNELS should
15:52:52 [garth]
… One PBG call per month — in each of two timezones.
15:53:02 [garth]
… so 12 presentstion per year.
15:53:15 [garth]
… Is there time for other business.
15:53:38 [tzviya]
q?
15:53:44 [garth]
… PBG should be discussing the likes of FL A11Y such that BG can promote to CG or WG.
15:53:57 [liisamk]
q+
15:54:02 [garth]
… Need to make sure there is time for both presentstion and discussions.
15:54:04 [tzviya]
ack liisamk
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/07/10-pbgsc-minutes.html Ralph
15:54:14 [garth]
liisamk: +1 to time mangement.
15:54:58 [garth]
… Should also use shared Doc to collect areas for discussion as well as for presontsations.
15:55:32 [Ralph]
[I think the BG chairs are entitled and authorized to determine an appropriate set of agendae for BG meetings]
15:55:39 [garth]
Avneesh: Good idea to brainstorm on such ideas and then delegate to technical groups. Need sufficient ideas.
15:55:55 [wendyreid]
q+
15:56:09 [garth]
… Should be problems in community that BG can help reoslve.
15:56:32 [tzviya]
ack wendyreid
15:57:05 [garth]
wendyreid: Tuesday’s call — for first time in awhile there was a real business discussion (manga cost of production)
15:57:30 [garth]
… Is that something we need to dig into?
15:57:38 [Daihei_]
q+
15:57:59 [garth]
… More to learn about that that topic — should that be a topic of presentstion? Are there solutions out there?
15:58:10 [liisamk]
q+
15:58:16 [garth]
… Nice business oriented conversation.
15:58:18 [tzviya]
ack Daihei_
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q-
15:59:03 [garth]
Daihei_: Reponse to Wendy’s FL managa & reflow-able — pretty specfiic to Japanense.
15:59:09 [Ralph]
[+1 to the value of all such "presentations" being to reveal where there is interest in further discussion]
15:59:15 [garth]
… Japan gap document.
15:59:40 [garth]
… Working on solutions for these isseus.
16:00:02 [garth]
… When solutions become available, they shall be posted to Publishing @ W3C.
16:00:33 [garth]
Ralph: Thanks Daihei.
16:01:03 [garth]
… Richard needs such expert input.
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q?
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ack Ralph
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… Need to identify experts who are willing to get together and talk about these issues.
16:02:36 [garth]
ivan: Folks in Doc in green have already votes; don’t bother them agian.
16:02:36 [Ralph]
[adjourned]
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zakim, end meeting
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As of this point the attendees have been tzviya, Ralph, Daihei, Avneesh, Daihei_, ivan, George, Liisa, liisamk, dauwhe, Garth, wendyreid, Mateus
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RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
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I am happy to have been of service, Ralph; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye
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