IRC log of pbgsc on 2020-07-10
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- Meeting: Publishing Steering Committee
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- agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-publishing-sc/2020Jul/0000.html
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- -> https://www.w3.org/2020/06/26-pbgsc-minutes.html previous 26-June
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- agenda+ Publishing CG Update (Mateus)
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- agenda+ Community Webinar update (Karen, Tzviya)
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- agenda+ Business Group Presentation Proposals [3]
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- agenda+ AOB
- 14:56:12 [tzviya]
- present+
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- present+
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- present+ Daihei
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- present+ Avneesh
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- present+
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- 15:01:50 [ivan]
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- present+ George, Liisa
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- present+
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- present+ Garth
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- present+
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- present+ Garth
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- scribe+
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- topic: Update on webinar
- 15:06:31 [garth]
- tzviya: 23 registrants, so far
- 15:06:38 [garth]
- … Japanese version just went out
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- … New email to go to 100 who were interested in survey updates
- 15:07:21 [garth]
- … We expect more registrations, so tentatively “off to a good start.”
- 15:07:56 [garth]
- … PPT template is done; all preso’s into one.
- 15:08:30 [garth]
- … Daihei & XX & Avenesh will join for Asia Q&A
- 15:08:50 [liisamk]
- q+
- 15:08:52 [ivan]
- s/XX/Shinya/
- 15:09:00 [ivan]
- s/Avenesh/Avneesh/
- 15:09:03 [garth]
- … There will be live captions; 30 min of speaking then Q&A.
- 15:09:04 [tzviya]
- ack liisamk
- 15:09:33 [tzviya]
- ack Ralph
- 15:09:37 [garth]
- … Slides will go to this group before going to captionist.
- 15:09:53 [Ralph]
- -> https://github.com/w3c/publ-webinar Webinar GitHub repo
- 15:10:22 [garth]
- … Slidesd will be in our github repository.
- 15:10:24 [mateus]
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- present+ Mateus
- 15:10:38 [garth]
- s/Slidesd/Slides/
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- topic: CC update
- 15:11:01 [garth]
- mateus: Jeff & Mateus in Charter discussions
- 15:11:19 [garth]
- … Build off initial work of EPUB 3 by Wendy & Dave
- 15:11:29 [garth]
- … Model around inccubation
- 15:12:00 [garth]
- … Committees around different areas and features.
- 15:12:39 [garth]
- … CC is broad in scope and surface area — thus need sub-groups (or task forces) targeted at issues and largely self-manage.
- 15:12:51 [garth]
- … and have their own deliverables.
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- … Also aid broad publishing engagement.
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- … Seem to have relatively straight forward governing structure (with Mateus and Jeff as leadership).
- 15:14:01 [garth]
- … Leaders will corrdinate across sub-groups and across W3C.
- 15:14:20 [garth]
- … Need 3rd co-chair, who can help with logistics and coordination.
- 15:14:50 [tzviya]
- q+
- 15:14:59 [garth]
- … Draft of charter should go out soon-ish.
- 15:15:10 [tzviya]
- ack tz
- 15:15:13 [garth]
- … That’s where we are!
- 15:16:17 [George]
- q+
- 15:16:19 [garth]
- tzviya: Call for 3rd chair for CC — focus on logistics: meetings, what belongs where, repositories, et al.
- 15:16:37 [wendyreid]
- q+
- 15:16:55 [Avneesh]
- q+
- 15:17:02 [garth]
- George: 3rd chair could be really important; Geroge can’t do.
- 15:17:35 [garth]
- … when we make this call should we also be asking for task-force chairs at the same time? Maybe one of them?
- 15:17:41 [garth]
- wendyreid: +1
- 15:17:57 [mateus]
- +1
- 15:18:37 [garth]
- … Looking for somebody outside this group — geo diversity would be good too.
- 15:18:55 [garth]
- q?
- 15:19:42 [tzviya]
- q+ to comment on how many chairs
- 15:19:57 [garth]
- Avneesh: With distributed govnerance — do we really need mroe chairs — task force leads may be sufficient.
- 15:20:05 [Zakim]
- tzviya, you wanted to comment on how many chairs
- 15:20:11 [garth]
- … Need to find strong task force chairs.
- 15:20:28 [George]
- q+
- 15:20:33 [garth]
- tzviya: Lets get started now with two chairs and hunting for task force chairs.
- 15:20:51 [garth]
- … If okay with Mateus & Jeff.
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- Ralph: +1
- 15:21:03 [mateus]
- q+ to agree and a a couple other notes
- 15:21:52 [garth]
- … Likes George’s idea of getting TF’s going and see who might want to move to chair-ing.
- 15:22:32 [garth]
- George: One mailing list for whole CC; need task-force prefixes to make it more managable.
- 15:22:36 [Zakim]
- mateus, you wanted to agree and a a couple other notes
- 15:22:47 [garth]
- mateus: Agree with previosu points.
- 15:23:40 [garth]
- … Main issue — Mateus and Jeff aren’t generally available on regular basis. Work better asynchronously.
- 15:24:03 [tzviya]
- q+
- 15:24:14 [garth]
- … Whomever is in logistics role needs more regular availability. That’s the main issue.
- 15:24:45 [garth]
- … See how much engagement comes from task-force discusisons — centralized or distributed?
- 15:25:22 [garth]
- … Merge membership of EPUB 3 CG into Publishing CG — still unresolved.
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- ralph: Decision was made to do that (merger) — Ralph will do so.
- 15:25:59 [liisamk]
- q+
- 15:26:12 [garth]
- … and communicate name change from EPUB 3 to Publishing CG.
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- q?
- 15:26:26 [ivan]
- ack Ralph
- 15:26:26 [Zakim]
- Ralph, you wanted to comment on merging CGs
- 15:26:49 [tzviya]
- ack me
- 15:27:58 [garth]
- tzviya: Tzviya, Ralph, Jeff, Mateus should meet to kick off — Tzviya could do some actual meeting running.
- 15:27:59 [tzviya]
- ack liisamk
- 15:28:12 [ivan]
- I can help with the mechanics (github, etc) except when I am on vacations:-)
- 15:28:38 [garth]
- liisamk: Check with her folks, so see if they can step forward for TF lead or even 3rd chair. Woo hoo.
- 15:28:39 [Ralph]
- Liisa++
- 15:28:49 [George]
- q+
- 15:28:57 [tzviya]
- ack George
- 15:30:07 [garth]
- George: When/how will various TF’s be scoped and formed and recruited? Avneesh on A11Y. Best practices? New features?
- 15:30:10 [mateus]
- q+
- 15:30:48 [ivan]
- q+
- 15:30:52 [garth]
- tzviya: Need to see what group wants to work on. New features is likely too broad for a TF. New idea submissions need to drive it.
- 15:30:52 [tzviya]
- ack mateus
- 15:30:55 [ivan]
- ack mateus
- 15:30:57 [garth]
- mateus: +1
- 15:31:20 [garth]
- … hard to define such work in a Charter — incubation shouldn’t be pre-defined.
- 15:31:32 [Avneesh]
- +1 to allow task force come up depending on which work items gain traction.
- 15:31:37 [garth]
- … Some will fizzle some will get traction.
- 15:31:52 [wendyreid]
- +1
- 15:32:25 [garth]
- … Folks should propose ideas for TF’s. Merged membership should help get tracktion.
- 15:32:38 [tzviya]
- q?
- 15:32:39 [garth]
- … Communities need to rally around TF ideas.
- 15:32:55 [garth]
- … Maybe the likes of “scripting?”
- 15:33:00 [tzviya]
- ack iv
- 15:33:08 [garth]
- tzviya: Need to move foward with Charter and see where we go.
- 15:33:28 [garth]
- Ivan: TF’s need to be easy to creature and easy to stop. Need to be lightweight.
- 15:33:57 [garth]
- … Charter should reflect a strong relationship between CG and WG.
- 15:33:59 [mateus]
- +1
- 15:34:23 [garth]
- … Less mature work should be in CG. Member should understand this strong relationship.
- 15:34:46 [garth]
- tzviya: action for subset to get together and see Charter soon.
- 15:35:01 [garth]
- Ivan: EPUB 3 WG Charter
- 15:35:03 [Ralph]
- topic: EPUB 3 WG charter review status in W3C Members
- 15:35:10 [garth]
- … Mid-term time now.
- 15:35:42 [garth]
- … Working on list of who should vote (that haven’t yet).
- 15:35:50 [ivan]
- https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OHxYLTf4WfsAo08d2G3Csaf3ktCykZ9mPsUOgFm8oCQ/edit#gid=979272795
- 15:36:10 [Ralph]
- s|https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OHxYLTf4WfsAo08d2G3Csaf3ktCykZ9mPsUOgFm8oCQ/edit#gid=979272795||
- 15:36:31 [garth]
- … Table of votes that are missing, that would eb good to have.
- 15:36:45 [dauwhe]
- q+
- 15:36:51 [garth]
- … AMZN, AAPL, BISG for example.
- 15:37:10 [garth]
- … Long list — see Doc.
- 15:37:55 [garth]
- … Also has “good to have”s. Tables has proposals for folks to contact looking for those votes.
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- q?
- 15:38:20 [garth]
- … Almost have enough votes in now.
- 15:38:34 [garth]
- … For W3M process.
- 15:39:20 [garth]
- … More important to convince new folks to join WG (as well as vote). AAPL & AMZN particulately, as well as Chineese folks.
- 15:39:23 [Daihei_]
- q+
- 15:39:24 [tzviya]
- ack dauwhe
- 15:39:37 [Ralph]
- s/… Almost have enough votes in now.//
- 15:39:48 [garth]
- dauwhe: Process is confusing. How many votes to we need?
- 15:40:11 [garth]
- Ralph: Not firm number — but need “enough” — somewhat more than we have now.
- 15:40:19 [tzviya]
- ack Daihei_
- 15:40:46 [tzviya]
- q+ Daihei_
- 15:40:47 [garth]
- dauwhe: Yes, “enough” is opaque.
- 15:41:30 [garth]
- ivan: For example, the reason to reach our to AAPL is less to get one more vote than participation.
- 15:41:51 [tzviya]
- ack dai
- 15:41:55 [garth]
- dauwhe: 4.2% of W3C members had voted for the Charter.
- 15:42:03 [Ralph]
- s/somewhat more than we have now/W3M wants to see more response from the Advisory Committee
- 15:42:30 [garth]
- Daihei_: Approached Japanese members to vote.
- 15:42:41 [garth]
- … They all want to be members of WG.
- 15:43:02 [garth]
- … Some have voted, but many have not.
- 15:43:26 [garth]
- … Will look at Doc and hunt for votes! :-)
- 15:44:18 [garth]
- … Such members want WG going and want to particpate — so getting voes shouldn’t be too hard.
- 15:44:34 [garth]
- ivan: Feel free to add names to the Doc.
- 15:45:01 [garth]
- tzviya: Proposals for presentstions to the BG.
- 15:45:26 [garth]
- … Ralph had prepared proposals for discussions.
- 15:45:38 [Ralph]
- -> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kJjQKW7spNYietObiADhi7hfssXaJw2RnU-4iNZ0nfs/edit Potential Agenda items for BG
- 15:46:01 [Ralph]
- i/tzviya: Proposals/topic: Presentations to BG
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/07/10-pbgsc-minutes.html Ralph
- 15:46:27 [liisamk]
- q+
- 15:46:29 [garth]
- … Doc out of APA — re cognitive A11Y — good example and they want feedback.
- 15:46:31 [tzviya]
- ack liisamk
- 15:46:34 [wendyreid]
- +1
- 15:46:53 [garth]
- liisamk: Legible are doing presentation in both time-zone meetings.
- 15:47:06 [garth]
- … Thorium demo was quite helpful.
- 15:47:39 [garth]
- … Need regroup on Sept scehdule.
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- 15:47:50 [tzviya]
- q?
- 15:48:03 [garth]
- … It will happen and get presentations on calendar.
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- chair: Tzviya
- 15:48:23 [Daihei_]
- +1 to Liisa
- 15:48:42 [garth]
- … Should focus on what to do move buseinss forward.
- 15:48:56 [garth]
- … Not exactly W3C match, but we try to head that way.
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- 15:49:31 [wendyreid]
- q+
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- ack wendyreid
- 15:49:52 [liisamk]
- q+
- 15:49:57 [garth]
- tzviya: Cognitive disability work would be a business impacting example.
- 15:50:26 [Ralph]
- +1 excellent dpub seminar from Nels
- 15:50:34 [garth]
- wendyreid: Nels(?) should present on practicalities of audiobooks and business impact.
- 15:50:38 [tzviya]
- ack liisamk
- 15:50:43 [tzviya]
- s/Mels/NNELS
- 15:50:52 [garth]
- s/(?)//
- 15:51:32 [Ralph]
- s/from Nels/from NNELS
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/07/10-pbgsc-minutes.html Ralph
- 15:51:51 [garth]
- liisamk: Should promote that presentation. But need to worry about duplication — mayeb later this year.
- 15:51:56 [Avneesh]
- q+
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- ack av
- 15:52:07 [ivan]
- s/mayeb/maybe/
- 15:52:12 [garth]
- wendyreid: good to overlap with vote on Audiobook standard.
- 15:52:31 [garth]
- Avneesh: Should link to existing presenttion, as it’s done.
- 15:52:42 [Ralph]
- s/Nels should/NNELS should
- 15:52:52 [garth]
- … One PBG call per month — in each of two timezones.
- 15:53:02 [garth]
- … so 12 presentstion per year.
- 15:53:15 [garth]
- … Is there time for other business.
- 15:53:38 [tzviya]
- q?
- 15:53:44 [garth]
- … PBG should be discussing the likes of FL A11Y such that BG can promote to CG or WG.
- 15:53:57 [liisamk]
- q+
- 15:54:02 [garth]
- … Need to make sure there is time for both presentstion and discussions.
- 15:54:04 [tzviya]
- ack liisamk
- 15:54:04 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/07/10-pbgsc-minutes.html Ralph
- 15:54:14 [garth]
- liisamk: +1 to time mangement.
- 15:54:58 [garth]
- … Should also use shared Doc to collect areas for discussion as well as for presontsations.
- 15:55:32 [Ralph]
- [I think the BG chairs are entitled and authorized to determine an appropriate set of agendae for BG meetings]
- 15:55:39 [garth]
- Avneesh: Good idea to brainstorm on such ideas and then delegate to technical groups. Need sufficient ideas.
- 15:55:55 [wendyreid]
- q+
- 15:56:09 [garth]
- … Should be problems in community that BG can help reoslve.
- 15:56:32 [tzviya]
- ack wendyreid
- 15:57:05 [garth]
- wendyreid: Tuesday’s call — for first time in awhile there was a real business discussion (manga cost of production)
- 15:57:30 [garth]
- … Is that something we need to dig into?
- 15:57:38 [Daihei_]
- q+
- 15:57:59 [garth]
- … More to learn about that that topic — should that be a topic of presentstion? Are there solutions out there?
- 15:58:10 [liisamk]
- q+
- 15:58:16 [garth]
- … Nice business oriented conversation.
- 15:58:18 [tzviya]
- ack Daihei_
- 15:58:29 [liisamk]
- q-
- 15:59:03 [garth]
- Daihei_: Reponse to Wendy’s FL managa & reflow-able — pretty specfiic to Japanense.
- 15:59:09 [Ralph]
- [+1 to the value of all such "presentations" being to reveal where there is interest in further discussion]
- 15:59:15 [garth]
- … Japan gap document.
- 15:59:40 [garth]
- … Working on solutions for these isseus.
- 16:00:02 [garth]
- … When solutions become available, they shall be posted to Publishing @ W3C.
- 16:00:33 [garth]
- Ralph: Thanks Daihei.
- 16:01:03 [garth]
- … Richard needs such expert input.
- 16:01:09 [garth]
- q?
- 16:01:14 [garth]
- ack Ralph
- 16:01:46 [garth]
- … Need to identify experts who are willing to get together and talk about these issues.
- 16:02:36 [garth]
- ivan: Folks in Doc in green have already votes; don’t bother them agian.
- 16:02:36 [Ralph]
- [adjourned]
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- zakim, end meeting
- 16:02:44 [Zakim]
- As of this point the attendees have been tzviya, Ralph, Daihei, Avneesh, Daihei_, ivan, George, Liisa, liisamk, dauwhe, Garth, wendyreid, Mateus
- 16:02:46 [Zakim]
- RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/07/10-pbgsc-minutes.html Zakim
- 16:02:49 [Zakim]
- I am happy to have been of service, Ralph; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye
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