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David: Let's go into the meeting
<chaals> [+1 to the proposed change for reducing the change history]
Florian: I made a PR to make the change
David: Right thing to do
<fantasai> +1 to the change
David: objections?
... agreed on 24 June
... issue closed.
<chaals> [It's really handy to have *somewhere* a collection of the changelogs. But they don't need to be in the document itself beyond the last full version, IMHO]
Fantasai: We decided to rename
proposed changes to candidate changes
... the ones under review would be proposed changes
... clear terminology
... simple
David: Questions or
comments?
... useful
<chaals> [+1 to nomenclature]
David: agreed
... I ask the editor to merge immediately.
... Chaals, your comment about changelogs?
Chaals: It is useful to look at
collected changelogs
... instead of spelunking spec by spec
David: Trivial to put accumulated changelog in GH repo
Fantasai: Sufficient to link back to previous one from current one.
David: Tedious
Fantasai: Usually I'm looking at text; not changelog
Florian: If changelogs are kept together it is complicated when terminology changes
<wseltzer> [We could just append all past changelogs to a documentation page]
David: Let's not rathole
... Changelog should be since last document
<chaals> [this is a rathole, let's skip it. It's not life or death it is convenience for users]
David: Florian can look at how to handle accumulated changelog
Florian: I'm not volunteering
Chaals: My life is short
... I will occasionally just do something else and avoid the
extra work required to hunt down changes
Florian: Build is almost done, we can stop the rathole
David: Wendy, any update on #403 from PSIG
Wendy: They approved a new PP; they were given the opportunity to look at issues including #403.
Florian: I converted the PP to
bikeshed
... Wendy, please look at it when I am done.
Wendy: PSIG approved sending the PP to the AC for approval.
<florian> https://w3c.github.io/w3process/
David: Florian, url to P2020
Florian: ^^
David: Proposed: The W3C Process
CG resolves to send Process 2020 to W3M, AB, AC for
approval
... comments?
<fantasai> +1
+1
<cwilso> +1
<dsinger_> +1
<wseltzer> +1
<tink> +1
<florian> +1
RESOLUTION: The W3C Process CG approves sending Process 2020 to W3M, AB, AC, and approval
<tink> +1 to thanks to PSIG.
David: Thanks to Elika, Florian, PSIG
<chaals> +1 to thanks to PSIG
<wseltzer> jeff: second all the expressions of gratitude, and thanks to David for chairing
<wseltzer> ... it's on the AB agenda next week
Florian: Change section will be helpful
<wseltzer> jeff: we should set a realistic schedule for what we want to accomplish
<wseltzer> ... we'd talked about edit for readability + Registries
<wseltzer> ... need to do a realistic triage and community consensus
David: We have 71 issues in our DB
Florian: We have 4-6 weeks of
ballots in the AC
... do we just freeze for now?
... or work in parallel which means some branching.
Jeff: We should start working immediately on triaging what we want to get done
David: Please no PRs for now
Fantasai: We have director-free, horizontal review
David: Clear task to look at PRs
and issues
... welcome offline discussion
... some may get closed
... please look at 8 PRs and 71 issues
... need more from the AC
... astonishing how little we got this year
Jeff: Please ask the entire Process CG mailing list to re-engage on PRs, issues prioritization
David: Shall I build a table with this?
Florian: Unclear. You can try.
David: Can GH export issue to CSV file
PLH: We can
David: Talk to me offline
PLH: Only takes 30 minutes
Florian: Let's not point people
to tip of the tree
... let's create a dated snapshot for formal ballot
David: I assumed someone will
Florian: I will
PLH: We'll put that on the website
David: For 2021 please give me a wiki list of PRs and issues
PLH: Will do.
... in GH wiki
Wendy: I propose closing some of
the stale PRs
... some have no agreement
... I invite the chair to back us out of the detail
... e.g. the HR review reqts detail
Leonie: I think I will close that
PR
... I need to pick through comments and threads
... but we have an unhelpful nonprescriptive process
... and HR is floundering
... editors, chairs, and TCs want more clarity
Wendy: Happy to work with you,
PLH, and team
... put small pieces into process
Leonie: Great
<plh> ACTION: plh to transform the issues for further triage
David: Some regrets for the
8th
... 22nd conflicts with AB meeting
... suggest we move to the 15th
... objections?
... I will announce that
<dsinger_> 8th and 22nd moved to the 15th, grand triage day
David: GRAND TRIAGE DAY
<chaals> [good night.]
[adjourned]
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