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14:21:11 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), ivan
14:21:27 <ivan> Meeting: DID WG Telco
14:21:27 <ivan> Chair: burn
14:21:27 <ivan> Date: 2020-06-16
14:21:27 <ivan> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-did-wg/2020Jun/0016.html
14:21:27 <ivan> ivan has changed the topic to: Meeting Agenda 2020-06-16: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-did-wg/2020Jun/0016.html
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15:04:48 <ivan> q+ on a minor admin issue
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15:04:54 <chriswinc> brent: Agenda
15:04:56 <drummond> present+
15:05:19 <brent> ack ivan
15:05:19 <Zakim> ivan, you wanted to comment on a minor admin issue
15:05:34 <chriswinc> ivan: issue with github, for example previews not working
15:06:10 <chriswinc> ... just an FYI, no support requested but status unknown
15:06:31 <chriswinc> brent: Introductions
15:06:38 <ivan> chair: brent
15:06:47 <chriswinc> brent: Reintroductions
15:06:51 <ivan> present+ JoeAndrieu
15:07:01 <ivan> present+ drummond
15:07:21 <chriswinc> paulm: Paul Madsen from Hedera Hashgraph
15:07:31 <Eugeniu_Rusu> present+
15:07:34 <ivan> present+ EugeniuRusu
15:07:36 <chriswinc> ... recently submitted our DID method
15:07:37 <manu> q+ on special topic call...
15:07:39 <ivan> topic: next special topic call
15:07:50 <chriswinc> brent: special topic call on Thursday
15:08:09 <chriswinc> ... June 18th 12pm ET
15:08:17 <brent> ack manu
15:08:17 <Zakim> manu, you wanted to comment on special topic call...
15:08:58 <chriswinc> manu: we should have a PR to work from, completion of action item with dlongley
15:09:01 <ivan> topic: extended discussion time
15:09:29 <chriswinc> brent: June 30th 10am and July 1st ??? meetings set
15:09:30 <brent> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-did-wg/2020Jun/0015.html
15:09:58 <chriswinc> ... replacing face to face meeting
15:10:15 <chriswinc> ... any changes to the agenda?
15:10:21 <ivan> s/???/noon/
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15:10:41 <burn> present+
15:10:43 <brent> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+sort%3Aupdated-asc
15:10:46 <ivan> topic: issues
15:10:52 <chriswinc> brent: status checks
15:11:15 <brent> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/269
15:11:24 <chriswinc> brent: Issue #269
15:12:42 <chriswinc> JoeAndrieu: Not sure how to resolve this issue with Kyle
15:12:59 <chriswinc> ... we have not been effective communicating DID control
15:13:21 <chriswinc> ... I will add to this today
15:13:26 <brent> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/33
15:13:33 <chriswinc> brent: Issue #33
15:14:13 <chriswinc> ... Dmitri not present to discuss
15:14:32 <chriswinc> ... This has turned into the "same as" property
15:14:45 <dlongley> q+
15:14:49 <chriswinc> ... current status unknown
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15:15:10 <chriswinc> dlongley: special call has been requested, does the group agree?
15:15:11 <ivan> q+
15:15:16 <brent> ack dlongley
15:15:21 <brent> ack manu
15:15:39 <chriswinc> manu: I think we need a special topic call on this
15:16:02 <brent> ack ivan
15:16:39 <manu> ivan, I think we were thinking of "stealing" the meaning of sameAs from RDF :) -- without all the OWL baggage.
15:16:41 <chriswinc> ivan: looking at the issue, this is very RDF specific. What is the impact on other formats
15:16:51 <brent> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/55
15:16:52 <chriswinc> brent:  Issue #55
15:16:54 <manu> but we'll need a special topic call to talk through the details.
15:17:03 <manu> q+
15:17:19 <chriswinc> ... Oliver and Mike not present
15:17:36 <brent> ack manu
15:17:43 <chriswinc> manu: I will update the issue. DID registries specification can take up this work
15:17:53 <brent> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/171
15:17:56 <chriswinc> brent: Issue #171
15:18:00 <rhiaro> ethereumAddress is already registered in the Spec Registries, for the record
15:18:49 <dezell> present+
15:19:29 <chriswinc> manu: We need to have a special topic call for what we are doing with JWK. Blocked currently.
15:19:34 <chriswinc> ... Adding to issue
15:19:50 <brent> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/163
15:20:09 <chriswinc> drummond: No change to this
15:20:25 <chriswinc> ... we are updating terms and working on this now
15:20:54 <ivan> q+
15:21:01 <chriswinc> ... action item is to link just prior to CR. Will proceed with this and add a note to this effect.
15:21:03 <brent> ack ivan
15:21:21 <chriswinc> ivan: ReSpec gives you tools for this
15:21:34 <chriswinc> drummond: We are trying to to this as we go
15:22:00 <chriswinc> brent: Issue #94
15:22:02 <brent> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/163
15:22:08 <brent> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/94
15:23:09 <chriswinc> burn: will plan on doing this but would welcome help if offered. Have the security questions been answered?
15:23:18 <chriswinc> jonathan_holt: I am working on it
15:23:22 <brent> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/94
15:23:29 <chriswinc> burn: Ok, I am not blocked by that yet
15:23:41 <chriswinc> brent: Issue #292
15:23:53 <chriswinc> ... skipping as these are handled by separate issues
15:24:02 <brent> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/119
15:24:03 <chriswinc> ... Issue #119
15:25:31 <chriswinc> burn: This is the master issue. In my mind this is about the same as the previous but depends on it. Adding comment to issue that chairs will start this when #92 and #291 are complete.
15:25:38 <brent> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/291
15:25:45 <chriswinc> brent: Issue #291
15:26:01 <chriswinc> ... assigning to jonathan_holt
15:27:03 <jonathan_holt> jonathan-consensyshealth
15:27:38 <chriswinc> brent: Issue #72
15:27:39 <brent> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/72
15:28:20 <chriswinc> drummond: Nothing has changed. Will update section when main content is done.
15:29:21 <chriswinc> brent: Anyone can work on issues, not just those who are assigned to the task. Please help the community and the editors if possible.
15:29:59 <chriswinc> drummond: I would be wildly enthusiastic if anyone would be willing to contribute text.
15:30:13 <chriswinc> brent: Issue #202
15:30:14 <brent> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/202
15:30:19 <burn> Perhaps some of our European members?
15:30:33 <burn> (even though GDPR affects us all)
15:30:46 <chriswinc> justin_r: no update
15:30:53 <chriswinc> brent: Issue #23
15:31:00 <brent> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/23
15:31:38 <rhiaro> brent: i wrote an update just now on the issue
15:32:01 <chriswinc> brent: Issue #58
15:32:03 <brent> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/58
15:32:59 <rhiaro> I think this is done, actually..
15:32:59 <chriswinc> JoeAndrieu: We need other people to help with this.
15:33:00 <rhiaro> more or less
15:33:38 <burn> is Wayne on?
15:33:48 <chriswinc> brent: I will add a comment.
15:34:05 <rhiaro> JoeAndrieu: I think this issue is overtaken by events!
15:34:12 <chriswinc> JoeAndrieu: This should be discussed in the CCG call
15:34:17 <rhiaro> JoeAndrieu: there's a new issue for Methods Registry and the LD Cryptosuites one is not longer referenced
15:35:09 <chriswinc> ... This relates to process issues that need to be decided by the CCG
15:35:39 <chriswinc> ... Is Wayne a member of the WG?
15:35:44 <chriswinc> ivan: yes
15:36:07 <chriswinc> JoeAndrieu: We need to be intentional about the link between groups
15:36:22 <chriswinc> manu: I will bring this up in the CCG meeting
15:36:36 <chriswinc> brent: Issue #289
15:36:44 <brent> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/289
15:37:16 <dlongley> q+
15:37:33 <chriswinc> ... massive conversation but many contributors not on the call today
15:37:37 <brent> ack dlongley
15:38:13 <chriswinc> dlongley: I think there is a PR from Kyle which allows people to take action with regards to DID subjects. This may solve this issue and I will add this comment.
15:38:15 <brent> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/281
15:38:22 <chriswinc> brent: Issue #281
15:38:57 <chriswinc> ... related to Issue #23
15:39:24 <brent> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/174
15:39:29 <chriswinc> ... Issue #174
15:39:59 <chriswinc> ... blocked by Issue #65
15:40:04 <rhiaro> brent, same status
15:40:17 <chriswinc> ... Issue #104
15:40:19 <brent> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/104
15:40:53 <brent> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/313 is the only issue they raised
15:40:56 <chriswinc> ivan: there is an issue that we received from the internationalization group. Issue #313
15:41:05 <rhiaro> ivan, you can assign that to me
15:41:10 <chriswinc> ... it looks like an editorial comment to me
15:41:17 <rhiaro>  (unless someone else wants it)
15:41:34 <chriswinc> brent: should we leave this open pending #313
15:41:37 <chriswinc> ivan: yes
15:41:39 <brent> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/105
15:41:47 <chriswinc> brent: Issue #105
15:42:08 <chriswinc> ivan: nothing to report. waiting for them
15:42:26 <chriswinc> ... I have pinged them, the ball is in their court
15:42:30 <brent> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/9
15:42:35 <chriswinc> brent: Issue #9
15:43:17 <chriswinc> ... it looks like the PR was created and merged
15:43:45 <chriswinc> manu: Part of this needs discussion with regards to JWK, the rest is replaced
15:44:02 <chriswinc> ... there is another issue tracking this for JWK
15:44:03 <dlongley> +1 for closing
15:44:08 <brent> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/10
15:44:16 <chriswinc> brent: Issue #10
15:44:20 <manu> q+
15:44:49 <brent> ack manu
15:45:14 <chriswinc> manu: We can close this for the same reason as #9 and I will add this comment
15:45:15 <brent> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/301
15:45:21 <chriswinc> brent: Issue #301
15:46:20 <chriswinc> ... nobody present to discuss
15:46:23 <brent> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/176
15:46:25 <chriswinc> ... Issue #176
15:47:00 <chriswinc> ... last comment was that a PR would be created by selfissued
15:47:03 <brent> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/118
15:47:07 <chriswinc> ... Issue #118
15:47:10 <rhiaro> brent, no update since last time
15:47:40 <chriswinc> ... Issue #236
15:47:41 <brent> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/236
15:48:39 <chriswinc> manu: This is a registry issue. Those who want this should open a PR there. I will close this here.
15:48:41 <brent> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/260
15:48:45 <rhiaro> publicKeyHex is already in the Registries
15:48:45 <chriswinc> brent: Issue #260
15:49:14 <chriswinc> drummond: Writing a set of diagrams.
15:49:28 <rhiaro> implementation guide!
15:49:46 <chriswinc> ... Would we consider an appendix for a non-normative explanation?
15:49:50 <ivan> q+
15:50:01 <brent> ack ivan
15:50:05 <chriswinc> ivan: I am not an editor but I would love to have that
15:50:29 <chriswinc> drummond: I am volunteering to do it, what would we call it?
15:50:41 <chriswinc> ivan: An appendix is correct and ReSpec can handle this.
15:50:49 <jonathan_holt> q+
15:50:52 <brent> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues?page=2&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+sort%3Aupdated-asc
15:51:07 <chriswinc> brent: We are now on page 2!
15:51:12 <brent> ack jonathan_holt
15:51:41 <chriswinc> jonathan_holt: Adding controllers opens up keys to vulnerabilities. Can you explain the text proposed?
15:52:04 <brent> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/151
15:52:08 <chriswinc> drummond: The text is focusing on just the process. We should add text for this in the security considerations
15:52:15 <chriswinc> brent: Issue #151
15:53:50 <brent> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/151
15:53:56 <brent> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/154
15:54:00 <chriswinc> ... Issue #154
15:54:21 <rhiaro> brent, manu, proof has been removed right?
15:54:44 <manu> rhiaro, yes... don't know if there are other things left... need to check.
15:55:19 <manu> q+
15:55:26 <brent> ack manu
15:55:49 <brent> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/195
15:55:49 <chriswinc> manu: I believe we have removed everything. I think this is done and we can close it.
15:55:56 <chriswinc> brent: Issue #195
15:56:31 <dlongley> q+
15:56:55 <chriswinc> manu: not blocked by did-core registry but we need a PR
15:57:06 <brent> ack dlongley
15:57:12 <drummond> +1 to Manu's language.
15:57:25 <chriswinc> dlongley: another option is that #312 may solve this
15:57:53 <chriswinc> manu: next step is to see if #312 solves the issue, if not, object to the new comment
15:58:04 <brent> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/205
15:58:07 <chriswinc> brent: Issue #205
15:58:35 <chriswinc> justin_r: I still think that we do not have group consensus.
15:59:03 <chriswinc> ... We cannot have multiple ways to approach unknown properties so we still need to pick one.
15:59:07 <dlongley> q+
15:59:20 <chriswinc> ... The text says we must ignore but we don't know what ignore needs
15:59:28 <brent> ack dlongley
15:59:49 <chriswinc> dlongley: the confusion is around what "unknown" means
16:00:17 <chriswinc> ... there are differences between JSON and JSON-LD
16:00:28 <chriswinc> ... I will type up comments
16:00:47 <chriswinc> brent: Thank you all. See you Thursday for the special topic call.
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16:07:34 <ivan> zakim, end meeting
16:07:34 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been ivan, brent, yancy, justin_r, dlongley, jonathan, paulm, Orie, jonathan_holt, rhiaro, manu, chriswinc, drummond, JoeAndrieu, Eugeniu_Rusu,
16:07:37 <Zakim> ... EugeniuRusu, burn, dezell
16:07:37 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:07:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/06/16-did-minutes.html Zakim
16:07:39 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, ivan; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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16:08:15 <ivan> rrsagent, bye
16:08:15 <RRSAgent> I see no action items