IRC log of pbgsc on 2020-06-12

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Meeting: Publishing Steering Committee
14:46:37 [Ralph]
agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-publishing-sc/2020Jun/0000.html
14:46:54 [Ralph]
agenda+ 1 minute update on EPUB 3 WG Charter
14:47:11 [Ralph]
agenda+ Planning summer community webinar with focus on date and logistics
14:47:27 [Ralph]
zakim, remind us to adjourn before xx:30
14:47:27 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'remind us to adjourn before xx:30', Ralph
14:52:50 [George]
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present: Ivan, Tzviya, Dave, Ralph
15:00:00 [mateus]
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15:00:03 [Ralph]
regrets: Cristina
15:00:25 [Ralph]
zakim, remind us in 25 minutes to adjourn
15:00:25 [Zakim]
ok, Ralph
15:00:34 [ivan]
regrets+ yoshii
15:00:36 [dauwhe]
present+
15:01:28 [Ralph]
present+ WendyReid
15:01:32 [Ralph]
present+ Liisa
15:01:39 [Ralph]
present+ Mateus
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15:02:10 [Daihei]
present+
15:02:12 [wendyreid]
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present+
15:02:27 [wendyreid]
scribe+
15:02:28 [Avneesh]
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15:02:31 [Bill_Kasdorf]
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15:02:40 [wendyreid]
tzviya: First item is Ralph's update on the EPUB3 WG charter
15:02:44 [Bill_Kasdorf]
present+ Bill_Kasdorf
15:02:55 [wendyreid]
Ralph: Once the charter is complete, the director will review and then send to the AC
15:03:01 [Avneesh]
present+
15:03:04 [jeff_]
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15:03:24 [wendyreid]
... the director has delegated that responsibility to W3M, and gives themselves 2 weeks once the community approves the charter
15:03:30 [wendyreid]
... we are in the review period now
15:03:38 [wendyreid]
... and we hope it'll be less than 2 weeks
15:03:57 [George]
present+
15:04:00 [wendyreid]
... for anyone who hasn't been watching GitHub, there was a tweak to the ISO status that Judy Brewer requested
15:04:07 [wendyreid]
... to clarify our expectations regarding ISO
15:04:10 [wendyreid]
... that's where we ware
15:04:12 [Avneesh]
It was about EU not ISO: just for clarification
15:04:15 [wendyreid]
s/ware/are/
15:04:29 [wendyreid]
dauwhe: I expected internal review, since we got internal feedback!
15:04:51 [Ralph]
s/regarding ISO/regarding EU
15:05:14 [wendyreid]
tzviya: This is a short meeting today, because there is a DPUB summit presentation on Audiobooks today
15:05:18 [wendyreid]
... presented by NNELS
15:05:37 [garth]
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15:05:40 [tzviya]
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vxI_dvU8EaRfJBVfNvNpwjLPVCa-ZZHZUUCOB-5YomE/edit?usp=sharing
15:05:42 [Ralph]
-> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vxI_dvU8EaRfJBVfNvNpwjLPVCa-ZZHZUUCOB-5YomE/edit Publishing @ W3C Summer Webinar
15:05:46 [garth]
present+ Garth
15:05:49 [wendyreid]
...next topic is the summer webinar
15:05:54 [wendyreid]
... I want to talk about logistics today
15:05:57 [wendyreid]
... specific date
15:06:00 [wendyreid]
... who will be speaking
15:06:07 [wendyreid]
... communictions, who are we targeting
15:06:16 [Ralph]
present+ Jeff_Xu
15:06:24 [wendyreid]
... for dates, we spoke of July
15:06:30 [Ralph]
present+ Jeff_Jaffe
15:06:37 [wendyreid]
... middle of july was suggested
15:06:42 [wendyreid]
... shall we just pick a date?
15:07:02 [wendyreid]
... Karen isn't here today and I did want to check with her first
15:07:16 [wendyreid]
Ralph: Should we delegate to wendyreid, tzviya and Karen for a date
15:07:39 [wendyreid]
tzviya: Should we have a session for the US/Europe time zone and then one for Asia/AUNZ?
15:07:43 [Bill_Kasdorf]
+1 for doing it twice
15:07:58 [wendyreid]
George: It's going to be a webinar, people can just submit questions, would the content be different?
15:08:07 [ivan]
q+
15:08:19 [wendyreid]
tzviya: It just occured to me that for the AC we pre-recorded the session, then did a live Q&A
15:08:21 [mateus]
+1 for recording, let people engage asynchronously
15:08:21 [Avneesh]
q+
15:08:23 [wendyreid]
... could we do something like that
15:08:24 [tzviya]
ack ivan
15:08:36 [wendyreid]
ivan: doing it the way the AC did was really good for participants
15:08:38 [jeff_]
q+
15:08:45 [wendyreid]
... it's a significant amount of work in advance
15:09:03 [wendyreid]
... George said webinar, I would be more in favour of using zoom in the way we do now
15:09:10 [wendyreid]
... for the AC we had over 100 people, and zoom was fine
15:09:21 [Bill_Kasdorf]
+1 to recording, followed by two interactive Zoom sessions
15:09:34 [wendyreid]
... but asking questions with voice and video gives a different feel to the presentation vs someone collecting the questions online and filtering them
15:09:40 [wendyreid]
... I don't know how many we expect
15:09:47 [wendyreid]
... but I think we can do it this way
15:10:09 [wendyreid]
tzviya: When I've done webinars with DAISY, someone collects the questions and reads them out, but they have a lot of viewers
15:10:30 [tzviya]
ack av
15:10:30 [Bill_Kasdorf]
q+
15:10:32 [wendyreid]
ivan: DPUB summit, they have done that as well, but it feels unnatural
15:10:59 [wendyreid]
Avneesh: Just wanted to comment on the AC, the results weren't optimal, the synchronization was good, but the participation wasn't good
15:11:08 [wendyreid]
... the immediacy of questions disappears
15:11:31 [tzviya]
ack Ralph
15:11:33 [wendyreid]
... we can play the recording, then answer questions, and anyone who is unable to attend can watch at their leisure
15:11:34 [Bill_Kasdorf]
q-
15:11:47 [wendyreid]
Ralph: +1 to Avneesh, the goals of the AC and this are diferent
15:12:03 [wendyreid]
... the experience for participants was different, less spontaneity
15:12:05 [liisamk]
q+
15:12:10 [tzviya]
ack jeff_
15:12:14 [wendyreid]
... a webinar we record live is sufficient
15:12:22 [wendyreid]
jeff_: If we can pivot from logistics to contnet
15:12:27 [wendyreid]
... agenda looks good to me
15:12:36 [wendyreid]
... overview of goals, there's a lot in there
15:12:52 [wendyreid]
... two things we think are important to call out
15:12:58 [wendyreid]
... the business value of the work
15:13:06 [wendyreid]
... avoid starting with detailed spec talk
15:13:17 [wendyreid]
... committment to backwards compatability
15:13:24 [wendyreid]
... just wanted to call those out
15:13:31 [wendyreid]
tzviya: Please add those comments to the document, thanks
15:13:40 [tzviya]
q?
15:13:43 [tzviya]
ack liisamk
15:13:45 [wendyreid]
... just want to clear these logistics out to get invitations
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15:13:54 [wendyreid]
liisamk: I like the idea of recording it and having it ready
15:14:12 [wendyreid]
... does it make sense to put out the recording, wait a week, then do discussion/Q&A
15:14:19 [wendyreid]
tzviya: That's what I was suggesting
15:14:20 [dauwhe]
q?
15:14:23 [Bill_Kasdorf]
q+
15:14:33 [wendyreid]
... but Avneesh and Ralph disagreed, based on the experience with the AC meeting
15:14:47 [dauwhe]
q+
15:15:00 [wendyreid]
... I'm on the fence, I like the idea of letting people watch on their own time, but I also agree we want that discussion
15:15:02 [jeff__]
q+
15:15:32 [wendyreid]
... in previous webinars, we allotted 15 mins for Q&A, we can answer them in writing later
15:15:33 [tzviya]
Bill_Kasdorf
15:15:38 [tzviya]
ack Bill_Kasdorf
15:15:41 [wendyreid]
Bill_Kasdorf: I'm ok with either method
15:15:48 [wendyreid]
... I was really impressed with the AC meeting strategy
15:16:09 [wendyreid]
... one way to eliminate Avneesh's criticism is maybe to have a method to collect questions from watchers as they watch it
15:16:30 [wendyreid]
tzviya: They had that for the AC meeting
15:16:34 [tzviya]
ack da
15:16:36 [wendyreid]
Ralph: We didn't get many
15:16:58 [Ralph]
s/We didn't get many/we invited questions in advance and got very few
15:17:07 [wendyreid]
dauwhe: I agree with Avneesh, tzviya, wendyreid and I did a webinar, we took half the time for presentation and half for questions, it worked really well
15:17:14 [wendyreid]
... we're inundated with videos right now
15:17:33 [wendyreid]
... the AC presentations were a lot, and I can read them a lot faster than I can watch
15:17:57 [tzviya]
ack jef
15:18:03 [wendyreid]
... considering the amount of work required for this, it doesn't have the benefits we want
15:18:25 [wendyreid]
jeff__: One of the popular things in the AC meeting that might apply, the popularity of captions and translations
15:18:34 [wendyreid]
... we could do it live but it's a lot harder
15:18:49 [wendyreid]
... I don't know if we need to translate to every language, but it might be sensible
15:19:19 [tzviya]
ack Ralph
15:19:19 [Zakim]
Ralph, you wanted to comment on captioning
15:19:20 [wendyreid]
tzviya: I was going to mention the captioning, we'd like to do this live, but we should discuss if we can do live captioning, and in how many languages
15:19:34 [George]
q+
15:19:45 [wendyreid]
Ralph: Same question, is there a consensus to ask for funding for captions/simulateous interpretation
15:19:54 [tzviya]
ack George
15:19:56 [wendyreid]
... we should find a sponsor
15:20:26 [wendyreid]
George: The captioning for hearing impaired vs simultaneous captioning, it's easy when prerecorded but there is a cost
15:20:36 [wendyreid]
tzviya: Are we interesting in looking for funding for captioning
15:20:38 [wendyreid]
+1
15:20:49 [wendyreid]
dauwhe: What kind of cost is it?
15:20:52 [Ralph]
+1 to ask for a captioning sponsor
15:21:08 [tzviya]
+1 to captioning
15:21:12 [Bill_Kasdorf]
+1
15:21:13 [liisamk]
+1
15:21:13 [wendyreid]
tzviya: Do we have consensus? Yes
15:21:22 [Bill_Kasdorf]
q+
15:21:28 [wendyreid]
Ralph: We have a mandate that we post videos with captions
15:21:30 [tzviya]
ack Bill_Kasdorf
15:21:33 [wendyreid]
tzviya: That's WCAG :)
15:21:35 [George]
+1
15:22:03 [jeff__]
q+
15:22:05 [wendyreid]
Bill_Kasdorf: One way to fund it would be for someone to donate the captioning, like a company who does it for promotion
15:22:06 [tzviya]
ack jeff__
15:22:21 [wendyreid]
jeff__: The obvious question is can the W3C provide the funds
15:22:30 [wendyreid]
... where do we draw the line, there's lots of meetings
15:22:49 [wendyreid]
... if we were able to get this mostly sponsored, and ask the W3C cover the remainder
15:22:51 [Ralph]
[Zoom does not have automatied captioning, however other systems exist that do]
15:22:59 [wendyreid]
... helps with other groups asking as well
15:23:31 [wendyreid]
tzviya: Hopefully Bill will come back with a sponsor
15:23:33 [Bill_Kasdorf]
My suggestions were NCAM or 3Play Media
15:23:40 [wendyreid]
... in the last few minutes, who will be speaking?
15:24:11 [wendyreid]
liisamk: *volunteeers*
15:24:20 [wendyreid]
tzviya: Me, Cristina, Liisa, and Wendy
15:24:51 [wendyreid]
George: If you need me let me know
15:24:59 [wendyreid]
Daihei: I can help with Asia/Japan
15:25:25 [wendyreid]
tzviya: Mateus, representation from CG?
15:25:26 [Zakim]
Ralph, you asked to be reminded at this time to adjourn
15:25:32 [wendyreid]
mateus: Yes!
15:25:45 [wendyreid]
tzviya: Expect to see some updates! We'll clean this up
15:25:51 [Avneesh]
+1 to have one panelist from Japan
15:25:51 [wendyreid]
... AOB?
15:26:16 [Ralph]
zakim, end meeting
15:26:16 [Zakim]
As of this point the attendees have been Ivan, Tzviya, Dave, Ralph, dauwhe, WendyReid, Liisa, Mateus, Daihei, Bill_Kasdorf, Avneesh, George, Garth, Jeff_Xu, Jeff_Jaffe
15:26:19 [Zakim]
RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/06/12-pbgsc-minutes.html Zakim
15:26:21 [Zakim]
I am happy to have been of service, Ralph; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye
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15:27:06 [Ralph]
chair: Tzviya
15:27:47 [Ralph]
i/tzviya: First item is/topic: 1 minute update on EPUB 3 WG Charter
15:28:18 [Ralph]
i/tzviya: next topic is/topic: Planning summer community webinar with focus on date and logistics
15:28:42 [Ralph]
RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/06/12-pbgsc-minutes.html Ralph
15:30:13 [Ralph]
topic: Planning summer community webinar with focus on date and logistics
15:30:26 [Ralph]
RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
15:30:26 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/06/12-pbgsc-minutes.html Ralph
15:30:39 [Ralph]
rrsagent, bye
15:30:39 [RRSAgent]
I see no action items