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14:45:39 <Zakim> Meeting: Publishing Steering Committee
14:46:37 <Ralph> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-publishing-sc/2020Jun/0000.html
14:46:54 <Ralph> agenda+ 1 minute update on EPUB 3 WG Charter
14:47:11 <Ralph> agenda+ Planning summer community webinar with focus on date and logistics
14:47:27 <Ralph> zakim, remind us to adjourn before xx:30
14:47:27 <Zakim> I don't understand 'remind us to adjourn before xx:30', Ralph
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14:59:55 <Ralph> present: Ivan, Tzviya, Dave, Ralph
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15:00:03 <Ralph> regrets: Cristina
15:00:25 <Ralph> zakim, remind us in 25 minutes to adjourn
15:00:25 <Zakim> ok, Ralph
15:00:34 <ivan> regrets+ yoshii
15:00:36 <dauwhe> present+
15:01:28 <Ralph> present+ WendyReid
15:01:32 <Ralph> present+ Liisa
15:01:39 <Ralph> present+ Mateus
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15:02:10 <Daihei> present+
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15:02:21 <wendyreid> present+
15:02:27 <wendyreid> scribe+
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15:02:40 <wendyreid> tzviya: First item is Ralph's update on the EPUB3 WG charter
15:02:44 <Bill_Kasdorf> present+ Bill_Kasdorf
15:02:55 <wendyreid> Ralph: Once the charter is complete, the director will review and then send to the AC
15:03:01 <Avneesh> present+
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15:03:24 <wendyreid> ... the director has delegated that responsibility to W3M, and gives themselves 2 weeks once the community approves the charter
15:03:30 <wendyreid> ... we are in the review period now
15:03:38 <wendyreid> ... and we hope it'll be less than 2 weeks
15:03:57 <George> present+
15:04:00 <wendyreid> ... for anyone who hasn't been watching GitHub, there was a tweak to the ISO status that Judy Brewer requested
15:04:07 <wendyreid> ... to clarify our expectations regarding ISO
15:04:10 <wendyreid> ... that's where we ware
15:04:12 <Avneesh> It was about EU not ISO: just for clarification
15:04:15 <wendyreid> s/ware/are/
15:04:29 <wendyreid> dauwhe: I expected internal review, since we got internal feedback!
15:04:51 <Ralph> s/regarding ISO/regarding EU
15:05:14 <wendyreid> tzviya: This is a short meeting today, because there is a DPUB summit presentation on Audiobooks today
15:05:18 <wendyreid> ... presented by NNELS
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15:05:40 <tzviya> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vxI_dvU8EaRfJBVfNvNpwjLPVCa-ZZHZUUCOB-5YomE/edit?usp=sharing
15:05:42 <Ralph> -> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vxI_dvU8EaRfJBVfNvNpwjLPVCa-ZZHZUUCOB-5YomE/edit Publishing @ W3C Summer Webinar
15:05:46 <garth> present+ Garth
15:05:49 <wendyreid> ...next topic is the summer webinar
15:05:54 <wendyreid> ... I want to talk about logistics today
15:05:57 <wendyreid> ... specific date
15:06:00 <wendyreid> ... who will be speaking
15:06:07 <wendyreid> ... communictions, who are we targeting
15:06:16 <Ralph> present+ Jeff_Xu
15:06:24 <wendyreid> ... for dates, we spoke of July
15:06:30 <Ralph> present+ Jeff_Jaffe
15:06:37 <wendyreid> ... middle of july was suggested
15:06:42 <wendyreid> ... shall we just pick a date?
15:07:02 <wendyreid> ... Karen isn't here today and I did want to check with her first
15:07:16 <wendyreid> Ralph: Should we delegate to wendyreid, tzviya and Karen for a date
15:07:39 <wendyreid> tzviya: Should we have a session for the US/Europe time zone and then one for Asia/AUNZ?
15:07:43 <Bill_Kasdorf> +1 for doing it twice
15:07:58 <wendyreid> George: It's going to be a webinar, people can just submit questions, would the content be different?
15:08:07 <ivan> q+
15:08:19 <wendyreid> tzviya: It just occured to me that for the AC we pre-recorded the session, then did a live Q&A
15:08:21 <mateus> +1 for recording, let people engage asynchronously
15:08:21 <Avneesh> q+
15:08:23 <wendyreid> ... could we do something like that
15:08:24 <tzviya> ack ivan
15:08:36 <wendyreid> ivan: doing it the way the AC did was really good for participants
15:08:38 <jeff_> q+
15:08:45 <wendyreid> ... it's a significant amount of work in advance
15:09:03 <wendyreid> ... George said webinar, I would be more in favour of using zoom in the way we do now
15:09:10 <wendyreid> ... for the AC we had over 100 people, and zoom was fine
15:09:21 <Bill_Kasdorf> +1 to recording, followed by two interactive Zoom sessions
15:09:34 <wendyreid> ... but asking questions with voice and video gives a different feel to the presentation vs someone collecting the questions online and filtering them
15:09:40 <wendyreid> ... I don't know how many we expect
15:09:47 <wendyreid> ... but I think we can do it this way
15:10:09 <wendyreid> tzviya: When I've done webinars with DAISY, someone collects the questions and reads them out, but they have a lot of viewers
15:10:30 <tzviya> ack av
15:10:30 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
15:10:32 <wendyreid> ivan: DPUB summit, they have done that as well, but it feels unnatural
15:10:59 <wendyreid> Avneesh: Just wanted to comment on the AC, the results weren't optimal, the synchronization was good, but the participation wasn't good
15:11:08 <wendyreid> ... the immediacy of questions disappears
15:11:31 <tzviya> ack Ralph
15:11:33 <wendyreid> ... we can play the recording, then answer questions, and anyone who is unable to attend can watch at their leisure
15:11:34 <Bill_Kasdorf> q-
15:11:47 <wendyreid> Ralph: +1 to Avneesh, the goals of the AC and this are diferent
15:12:03 <wendyreid> ... the experience for participants was different, less spontaneity
15:12:05 <liisamk> q+
15:12:10 <tzviya> ack jeff_
15:12:14 <wendyreid> ... a webinar we record live is sufficient
15:12:22 <wendyreid> jeff_: If we can pivot from logistics to contnet
15:12:27 <wendyreid> ... agenda looks good to me
15:12:36 <wendyreid> ... overview of goals, there's a lot in there
15:12:52 <wendyreid> ... two things we think are important to call out
15:12:58 <wendyreid> ... the business value of the work
15:13:06 <wendyreid> ... avoid starting with detailed spec talk
15:13:17 <wendyreid> ... committment to backwards compatability
15:13:24 <wendyreid> ... just wanted to call those out
15:13:31 <wendyreid> tzviya: Please add those comments to the document, thanks
15:13:40 <tzviya> q?
15:13:43 <tzviya> ack liisamk
15:13:45 <wendyreid> ... just want to clear these logistics out to get invitations
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15:13:54 <wendyreid> liisamk: I like the idea of recording it and having it ready
15:14:12 <wendyreid> ... does it make sense to put out the recording, wait a week, then do discussion/Q&A
15:14:19 <wendyreid> tzviya: That's what I was suggesting
15:14:20 <dauwhe> q?
15:14:23 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
15:14:33 <wendyreid> ... but Avneesh and Ralph disagreed, based on the experience with the AC meeting
15:14:47 <dauwhe> q+
15:15:00 <wendyreid> ... I'm on the fence, I like the idea of letting people watch on their own time, but I also agree we want that discussion
15:15:02 <jeff__> q+
15:15:32 <wendyreid> ... in previous webinars, we allotted 15 mins for Q&A, we can answer them in writing later
15:15:33 <tzviya>  Bill_Kasdorf
15:15:38 <tzviya> ack Bill_Kasdorf
15:15:41 <wendyreid> Bill_Kasdorf: I'm ok with either method
15:15:48 <wendyreid> ... I was really impressed with the AC meeting strategy
15:16:09 <wendyreid> ... one way to eliminate Avneesh's criticism is maybe to have a method to collect questions from watchers as they watch it
15:16:30 <wendyreid> tzviya: They had that for the AC meeting
15:16:34 <tzviya> ack da
15:16:36 <wendyreid> Ralph: We didn't get many
15:16:58 <Ralph> s/We didn't get many/we invited questions in advance and got very few
15:17:07 <wendyreid> dauwhe: I agree with Avneesh, tzviya, wendyreid and I did a webinar, we took half the time for presentation and half for questions, it worked really well
15:17:14 <wendyreid> ... we're inundated with videos right now
15:17:33 <wendyreid> ... the AC presentations were a lot, and I can read them a lot faster than I can watch
15:17:57 <tzviya> ack jef
15:18:03 <wendyreid> ... considering the amount of work required for this, it doesn't have the benefits we want
15:18:25 <wendyreid> jeff__: One of the popular things in the AC meeting that might apply, the popularity of captions and translations
15:18:34 <wendyreid> ... we could do it live but it's a lot harder
15:18:49 <wendyreid> ... I don't know if we need to translate to every language, but it might be sensible
15:19:19 <tzviya> ack Ralph
15:19:19 <Zakim> Ralph, you wanted to comment on captioning
15:19:20 <wendyreid> tzviya: I was going to mention the captioning, we'd like to do this live, but we should discuss if we can do live captioning, and in how many languages
15:19:34 <George> q+
15:19:45 <wendyreid> Ralph: Same question, is there a consensus to ask for funding for captions/simulateous interpretation
15:19:54 <tzviya> ack George
15:19:56 <wendyreid> ... we should find a sponsor
15:20:26 <wendyreid> George: The captioning for hearing impaired vs simultaneous captioning, it's easy when prerecorded but there is a cost
15:20:36 <wendyreid> tzviya: Are we interesting in looking for funding for captioning
15:20:38 <wendyreid> +1
15:20:49 <wendyreid> dauwhe: What kind of cost is it?
15:20:52 <Ralph> +1 to ask for a captioning sponsor
15:21:08 <tzviya> +1 to captioning
15:21:12 <Bill_Kasdorf> +1
15:21:13 <liisamk> +1
15:21:13 <wendyreid> tzviya: Do we have consensus? Yes
15:21:22 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
15:21:28 <wendyreid> Ralph: We have a mandate that we post videos with captions
15:21:30 <tzviya> ack Bill_Kasdorf
15:21:33 <wendyreid> tzviya: That's WCAG :)
15:21:35 <George> +1
15:22:03 <jeff__> q+
15:22:05 <wendyreid> Bill_Kasdorf: One way to fund it would be for someone to donate the captioning, like a company who does it for promotion
15:22:06 <tzviya> ack jeff__
15:22:21 <wendyreid> jeff__: The obvious question is can the W3C provide the funds
15:22:30 <wendyreid> ... where do we draw the line, there's lots of meetings
15:22:49 <wendyreid> ... if we were able to get this mostly sponsored, and ask the W3C cover the remainder
15:22:51 <Ralph> [Zoom does not have automatied captioning, however other systems exist that do]
15:22:59 <wendyreid> ... helps with other groups asking as well
15:23:31 <wendyreid> tzviya: Hopefully Bill will come back with a sponsor
15:23:33 <Bill_Kasdorf> My suggestions were NCAM or 3Play Media
15:23:40 <wendyreid> ... in the last few minutes, who will be speaking?
15:24:11 <wendyreid> liisamk: *volunteeers*
15:24:20 <wendyreid> tzviya: Me, Cristina, Liisa, and Wendy
15:24:51 <wendyreid> George: If you need me let me know
15:24:59 <wendyreid> Daihei: I can help with Asia/Japan
15:25:25 <wendyreid> tzviya: Mateus, representation from CG?
15:25:26 <Zakim> Ralph, you asked to be reminded at this time to adjourn
15:25:32 <wendyreid> mateus: Yes!
15:25:45 <wendyreid> tzviya: Expect to see some updates! We'll clean this up
15:25:51 <Avneesh> +1 to have one panelist from Japan
15:25:51 <wendyreid> ... AOB?
15:26:16 <Ralph> zakim, end meeting
15:26:16 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Ivan, Tzviya, Dave, Ralph, dauwhe, WendyReid, Liisa, Mateus, Daihei, Bill_Kasdorf, Avneesh, George, Garth, Jeff_Xu, Jeff_Jaffe
15:26:19 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
15:26:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/06/12-pbgsc-minutes.html Zakim
15:26:21 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, Ralph; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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15:27:06 <Ralph> chair: Tzviya
15:27:47 <Ralph> i/tzviya: First item is/topic: 1 minute update on EPUB 3 WG Charter
15:28:18 <Ralph> i/tzviya: next topic is/topic: Planning summer community webinar with focus on date and logistics
15:28:42 <Ralph> RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
15:28:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/06/12-pbgsc-minutes.html Ralph
15:30:13 <Ralph> topic: Planning summer community webinar with focus on date and logistics
15:30:26 <Ralph> RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
15:30:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/06/12-pbgsc-minutes.html Ralph
15:30:39 <Ralph> rrsagent, bye
15:30:39 <RRSAgent> I see no action items