IRC log of openui on 2020-04-24
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- 16:22:32 [RRSAgent]
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- logging to https://www.w3.org/2020/04/24-openui-irc
- 16:22:39 [gregwhitworth]
- set the topic: Agenda for April 24: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-open-ui/2020Apr/0005.html
- 16:23:13 [gregwhitworth]
- Topic Agenda for April 24: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-open-ui/2020Apr/0005.html
- 16:26:53 [gregwhitworth]
- Meeting: April 24 Telecon
- 16:28:57 [gregwhitworth]
- set the topic: Agenda for April 24 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-open-ui/2020Apr/0002.html
- 16:31:33 [gregwhitworth]
- Zakim, this is the April 24th telecon for Open UI; agenda is here: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-open-ui/2020Apr/0002.html
- 16:31:33 [Zakim]
- got it, gregwhitworth
- 16:33:41 [gregwhitworth]
- gregwhitworth has changed the topic to: Agenda for April 24: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-open-ui/2020Apr/0005.html
- 16:55:39 [gregwhitworth]
- Zakim, start meeting
- 16:55:39 [Zakim]
- RRSAgent, make logs Public
- 16:55:40 [Zakim]
- please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), gregwhitworth
- 16:55:59 [gregwhitworth]
- meeting: April 24th Open UI Telecon
- 16:59:49 [gregwhitworth]
- present+ Greg Whitworth
- 17:01:21 [stephstimac]
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- 17:01:42 [Levi]
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- 17:01:43 [chrisdholt]
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- present+
- 17:01:59 [stephstimac]
- present+ Stephanie Stimac
- 17:02:00 [Levi]
- Present+ Levi Thomason
- 17:02:12 [chrisdholt]
- present+ Chris Holt
- 17:02:25 [gregwhitworth]
- scribenick: gregwhitworth
- 17:02:44 [gregwhitworth]
- agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-open-ui/2020Apr/0005.html
- 17:03:28 [gregwhitworth]
- Topic: Interactive elements within a select
- 17:03:38 [gregwhitworth]
- https://github.com/WICG/open-ui/issues/74
- 17:06:16 [Levi]
- Greg: Due to ARIA guidelines, we should not allow interactive elements inside the option elements
- 17:07:39 [Levi]
- Confirming, we would still allow for styling a checkbox appearance inside the option, as in the linked github issue, we just won't allow keyboard interaction and focusable elements within the option element?
- 17:07:52 [Levi]
- Greg/Chris: Confirmed and agreed
- 17:10:12 [Levi]
- Levi: What about combo box and searchable lists? Do they allow interactive elements in the searchable part? Such as a list of active items.
- 17:10:21 [Levi]
- Greg: Out of scope for current select proposal
- 17:10:50 [Levi]
- Chris: Not a reason to overload select with combo box behavior.
- 17:14:04 [gregwhitworth]
- RESOLVED: Do not allow interactive elements within an option
- 17:14:11 [gregwhitworth]
- TOPIC: Select anatomy
- 17:14:20 [gregwhitworth]
- https://github.com/WICG/open-ui/issues/73
- 17:14:44 [gregwhitworth]
- https://onedrive.live.com/edit.aspx?resid=5ACBE28A578FB511!3053406&ithint=file%2cxlsx&authkey=!ACNTiEkb50fOYJ0
- 17:16:57 [eisenbergeffect]
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- 17:17:16 [gregwhitworth]
- Levi: there is a top part or a bottom part, can they search them or not. They all seem to be functional changes but the concept is a top and bottom parts
- 17:18:12 [gregwhitworth]
- Levi: Speaking from the component teams we'll need to be able to have the tags to represent the states in the bottom options
- 17:20:03 [Levi]
- Greg: Technically, the platform select element does support these things it is just difficult to use and not clear. This is probably a WHATWG conversation.
- 17:21:40 [gregwhitworth]
- ACTION: gregwhitworth to open a new issue for the anatomy for button to allow for tag type selection
- 17:23:28 [gregwhitworth]
- Levi: normally the design docs will have the sub-parts in the design specs
- 17:23:43 [gregwhitworth]
- gregwhitworth: that's good to know because it's hard to decipher them from code
- 17:32:45 [gregwhitworth]
- Levi: there currently aren't any implementations of a design system with listbox so I'm hesitant to agree with this.
- 17:34:05 [gregwhitworth]
- gregwhitworth: that's a valid point, but the ones that have menu are technically for items and I primarily want to expose this container. If this was a dropdown I'd agree with the menu
- 17:34:55 [gregwhitworth]
- chrisdholt: I'm curious what role/behavior comes into account when naming. They visually may be the same, function and semantics are very different. So I'd wonder, how do we hold tension between visual and function
- 17:35:32 [gregwhitworth]
- Levi: yes, I can kind of see this. I'll go over the research and it may be missing something
- 17:37:45 [gregwhitworth]
- ACTION: Levi to review research and provide feedback on PR
- 17:38:21 [gregwhitworth]
- Levi: it would be good to understand if we should include native usage in the research
- 17:39:12 [gregwhitworth]
- chrisdholt: I wouldn't want to throw out content because people use native
- 17:49:21 [gregwhitworth]
- Levi: Ant is very interesting, the props and the parts in HTML are conflicting for example. All of their text refers to it as a menu
- 17:49:56 [gregwhitworth]
- chrisdholt: it would be good to understand how to weight the content, is the HTML more important or are the props/api surface?
- 17:50:11 [gregwhitworth]
- chrisdholt: sometimes it's compat, they desire to change but can't
- 17:50:40 [gregwhitworth]
- Levi: we ran into this as well, when people are talking about it they may refer to it in a different way
- 17:50:55 [gregwhitworth]
- Levi: yeah they use item and option as well as in other areas
- 17:51:39 [gregwhitworth]
- chrisdholt: the platform doesn't have the same restrictions so I end up having to contain numerous other things due to having to recreate them
- 17:51:48 [gregwhitworth]
- chrisdholt: so this may lead to convulution of naming
- 17:55:00 [gregwhitworth]
- ACTION: Levi to add in naming support for subparts similar to specimens
- 17:55:05 [gregwhitworth]
- Zakim, end meeting
- 17:55:05 [Zakim]
- As of this point the attendees have been Greg, Whitworth, Stephanie, Stimac, chrisdholt, Levi, Thomason, Holt
- 17:55:07 [Zakim]
- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
- 17:55:07 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/04/24-openui-minutes.html Zakim
- 17:55:10 [Zakim]
- I am happy to have been of service, gregwhitworth; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye
- 17:55:14 [Zakim]
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- 17:56:53 [gregwhitworth]
- RRSAgent, please make logs public
- 17:57:13 [gregwhitworth]
- rrsagent, please create the minutes v2
- 17:57:13 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/04/24-openui-minutes.html gregwhitworth
- 18:09:54 [gregwhitworth]
- rrsagent, bye
- 18:09:54 [RRSAgent]
- I see 3 open action items saved in https://www.w3.org/2020/04/24-openui-actions.rdf :
- 18:09:54 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: gregwhitworth to open a new issue for the anatomy for button to allow for tag type selection [1]
- 18:09:54 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in https://www.w3.org/2020/04/24-openui-irc#T17-21-40
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- ACTION: Levi to review research and provide feedback on PR [2]
- 18:09:54 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in https://www.w3.org/2020/04/24-openui-irc#T17-37-45
- 18:09:54 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Levi to add in naming support for subparts similar to specimens [3]
- 18:09:54 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in https://www.w3.org/2020/04/24-openui-irc#T17-55-00