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16:22:39 <gregwhitworth> set the topic: Agenda for April 24: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-open-ui/2020Apr/0005.html
16:23:13 <gregwhitworth> Topic Agenda for April 24: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-open-ui/2020Apr/0005.html
16:26:53 <gregwhitworth> Meeting: April 24 Telecon
16:28:57 <gregwhitworth> set the topic: Agenda for April 24 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-open-ui/2020Apr/0002.html
16:31:33 <gregwhitworth> Zakim, this is the April 24th telecon for Open UI; agenda is here: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-open-ui/2020Apr/0002.html
16:31:33 <Zakim> got it, gregwhitworth
16:33:41 <gregwhitworth> gregwhitworth has changed the topic to: Agenda for April 24: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-open-ui/2020Apr/0005.html
16:55:39 <gregwhitworth> Zakim, start meeting
16:55:39 <Zakim> RRSAgent, make logs Public
16:55:40 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), gregwhitworth
16:55:59 <gregwhitworth> meeting: April 24th Open UI Telecon
16:59:49 <gregwhitworth> present+ Greg Whitworth
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17:01:54 <chrisdholt> present+
17:01:59 <stephstimac>  present+ Stephanie Stimac
17:02:00 <Levi> Present+ Levi Thomason
17:02:12 <chrisdholt> present+ Chris Holt
17:02:25 <gregwhitworth> scribenick: gregwhitworth
17:02:44 <gregwhitworth> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-open-ui/2020Apr/0005.html
17:03:28 <gregwhitworth> Topic: Interactive elements within a select
17:03:38 <gregwhitworth> https://github.com/WICG/open-ui/issues/74
17:06:16 <Levi> Greg: Due to ARIA guidelines, we should not allow interactive elements inside the option elements
17:07:39 <Levi> Confirming, we would still allow for styling a checkbox appearance inside the option, as in the linked github issue, we just won't allow keyboard interaction and focusable elements within the option element?
17:07:52 <Levi> Greg/Chris: Confirmed and agreed
17:10:12 <Levi> Levi: What about combo box and searchable lists?  Do they allow interactive elements in the searchable part?  Such as a list of active items.
17:10:21 <Levi> Greg: Out of scope for current select proposal
17:10:50 <Levi> Chris: Not a reason to overload select with combo box behavior.
17:14:04 <gregwhitworth> RESOLVED: Do not allow interactive elements within an option
17:14:11 <gregwhitworth> TOPIC: Select anatomy
17:14:20 <gregwhitworth> https://github.com/WICG/open-ui/issues/73
17:14:44 <gregwhitworth> https://onedrive.live.com/edit.aspx?resid=5ACBE28A578FB511!3053406&ithint=file%2cxlsx&authkey=!ACNTiEkb50fOYJ0
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17:17:16 <gregwhitworth> Levi: there is a top part or a bottom part, can they search them or not. They all seem to be functional changes but the concept is a top and bottom parts
17:18:12 <gregwhitworth> Levi: Speaking from the component teams we'll need to be able to have the tags to represent the states in the bottom options
17:20:03 <Levi> Greg: Technically, the platform select element does support these things it is just difficult to use and not clear.  This is probably a WHATWG conversation.
17:21:40 <gregwhitworth> ACTION: gregwhitworth to open a new issue for the anatomy for button to allow for tag type selection
17:23:28 <gregwhitworth> Levi: normally the design docs will have the sub-parts in the design specs
17:23:43 <gregwhitworth> gregwhitworth: that's good to know because it's hard to decipher them from code
17:32:45 <gregwhitworth> Levi: there currently aren't any implementations of a design system with listbox so I'm hesitant to agree with this.
17:34:05 <gregwhitworth> gregwhitworth: that's a valid point, but the ones that have menu are technically for items and I primarily want to expose this container. If this was a dropdown I'd agree with the menu
17:34:55 <gregwhitworth> chrisdholt: I'm curious what role/behavior comes into account when naming. They visually may be the same, function and semantics are very different. So I'd wonder, how do we hold tension between visual and function
17:35:32 <gregwhitworth> Levi: yes, I can kind of see this. I'll go over the research and it may be missing something
17:37:45 <gregwhitworth> ACTION: Levi to review research and provide feedback on PR
17:38:21 <gregwhitworth> Levi: it would be good to understand if we should include native usage in the research
17:39:12 <gregwhitworth> chrisdholt: I wouldn't want to throw out content because people use native
17:49:21 <gregwhitworth> Levi: Ant is very interesting, the props and the parts in HTML are conflicting for example. All of their text refers to it as a menu
17:49:56 <gregwhitworth> chrisdholt: it would be good to understand how to weight the content, is the HTML more important or are the props/api surface?
17:50:11 <gregwhitworth> chrisdholt: sometimes it's compat, they desire to change but can't
17:50:40 <gregwhitworth> Levi: we ran into this as well, when people are talking about it they may refer to it in a different way
17:50:55 <gregwhitworth> Levi: yeah they use item and option as well as in other areas
17:51:39 <gregwhitworth> chrisdholt: the platform doesn't have the same restrictions so I end up having to contain numerous other things due to having to recreate them
17:51:48 <gregwhitworth> chrisdholt: so this may lead to convulution of naming
17:55:00 <gregwhitworth> ACTION: Levi to add in naming support for subparts similar to specimens
17:55:05 <gregwhitworth> Zakim, end meeting
17:55:05 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Greg, Whitworth, Stephanie, Stimac, chrisdholt, Levi, Thomason, Holt
17:55:07 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
17:55:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/04/24-openui-minutes.html Zakim
17:55:10 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, gregwhitworth; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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17:56:53 <gregwhitworth> RRSAgent, please make logs public
17:57:13 <gregwhitworth> rrsagent, please create the minutes v2
17:57:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/04/24-openui-minutes.html gregwhitworth
18:09:54 <gregwhitworth> rrsagent, bye
18:09:54 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in https://www.w3.org/2020/04/24-openui-actions.rdf :
18:09:54 <RRSAgent> ACTION: gregwhitworth to open a new issue for the anatomy for button to allow for tag type selection [1]
18:09:54 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2020/04/24-openui-irc#T17-21-40
18:09:54 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Levi to review research and provide feedback on PR [2]
18:09:54 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2020/04/24-openui-irc#T17-37-45
18:09:54 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Levi to add in naming support for subparts similar to specimens [3]
18:09:54 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2020/04/24-openui-irc#T17-55-00