15:00:11 RRSAgent has joined #tt 15:00:11 logging to https://www.w3.org/2020/04/09-tt-irc 15:00:13 RRSAgent, make logs Public 15:00:14 Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference 15:00:52 (will join once current one, i18n WG, finishes) 15:05:47 scribe: nigel 15:06:03 Present: Nigel, Gary, Glenn, Pierre 15:06:19 Chair: Nigel, Gary 15:06:38 Present+ Atsushi, Andreas 15:07:21 Previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2020/04/02-tt-minutes.html 15:07:27 Agenda: https://github.com/w3c/ttwg/issues/106 15:07:39 Topic: This meeting 15:07:51 atai has joined #tt 15:10:04 glenn has joined #tt 15:10:48 Nigel: Only 2 things on the agenda: IMSC/Rec link and TTML2 Tests 15:10:50 .. AOB? 15:11:01 group: [no Other Business] 15:11:09 Topic: IMSC 1.2 /rec link 15:11:35 Nigel: There's been input from Atsushi, Philippe and Pierre on this. Status? 15:11:59 Atsushi: It seems I cannot create the final product only using Respec, so maybe it will be 15:12:16 .. easiest to copy the finished public HTML and make the edits manually for the GitHub 15:12:21 .. branch and in-place publication. 15:12:34 .. If that is okay and we do not need to edit the Respec-based file on GitHub that would be easier. 15:12:48 Pierre: It'd be better if GitHub matches exactly what was published. What is the challenge? 15:13:02 Atsushi: There is no feature to add some text right after dates in Respec-based HTML. 15:13:09 .. That is the critical thing we need to do. 15:13:23 Pierre: My suggestion is to file an issue with Respec. 15:13:35 .. In the past for issues that block publication they have fixed it very quickly. 15:13:47 .. That's my suggestion - file an issue with Respec. 15:13:57 Atsushi: One question is how the current file was published. Do you know? 15:14:11 .. It seems there is some local editing of the HTML since I encountered the ID conflict 15:14:15 .. in IMSC 1.0.1. 15:14:24 Pierre: The editor does not do the publication so I cannot tell you. 15:15:08 .. But by the way I see that there is a post-process Javascript, so we can use that to modify the title. 15:15:35 Atsushi: I thought that at some point there is a difficulty in getting the exact element to 15:16:10 pal has joined #tt 15:16:15 .. append to. It seems there is no ID for the element by default. 15:16:31 Pierre: You might be right, but my point is still that we should at least file an issue with Respec 15:16:41 .. and give us 2-3 weeks. If there's no resolution then we'll have to do it manually. 15:16:49 .. Other things being equal it would be better to fix the tool. 15:16:56 .. Otherwise we will keep running into the same issue. 15:17:16 Atsushi: Maybe a stupid question: do we want to keep the Respec version of HTML for 15:17:40 .. future edits? Do we have any plan to update the revisions? 15:17:53 .. Like 1.1 revision 2 or something? 15:18:10 Pierre: That's not been the case in the past - in the case of 1.0 we ultimately published 15:18:17 .. 1.0.1 instead of 1.0 v2. 15:18:43 Atsushi: I wonder if we don't expect large edits on existing Recs then it might be okay to 15:18:49 .. just have the published HTML. 15:19:01 .. in the GitHub repository. 15:19:05 Pierre: I would really rather not. 15:19:47 .. It seems like a huge step backward to keep track of the complete HTML. 15:20:03 .. Respec is an officially supported publishing tool. 15:20:16 Nigel: I'd support Pierre in that - we don't need to keep the published HTML in GitHub 15:20:26 .. for archival purposes - that's already on /TR and backed up separately. 15:20:42 .. The GitHub repo is for us to work on, so it makes sense to keep the Respec version. 15:21:09 Atsushi: Okay let me file a feature request to Respec and in parallel find a way to do something. 15:21:15 Nigel: Sounds good, thank you. 15:21:50 Atsushi: How do we do IMSC 1.2 CR? For CR there is no in-place replacement process so 15:21:54 .. we need to publish a new CR. 15:21:59 Pierre: Just wait until PR. 15:22:11 Atsushi: It's fine to keep this open until PR? 15:22:23 Pierre: My understanding is that publishing a new CR is difficult. 15:22:33 .. If it is trivial then let's do it otherwise keep this open until PR. 15:23:55 Nigel: I would ask for a pragmatic response from the team on this, because there's no 15:24:00 .. change to the document content. 15:24:11 Atsushi: There's no requirement to pass reviews for an editorial document update, so 15:24:52 .. it should be fine to reissue the transition request if there's a CfC. 15:25:03 Nigel: I will not issue a new CfC because we already have a minuted resolution for this. 15:25:16 Atsushi: OK, let me submit that way and issue a pull request to update the document. 15:25:23 Nigel: OK, sounds good to me. Thank you. 15:25:42 Topic: TTML2 2nd Edition Implementation Report 15:26:00 Nigel: Tests are still being reviewed and merged one by one. 15:26:36 .. We have 6 issues on ttml2-tests for 2nd Edition, and 15:26:40 .. 4 open Pull Requests. 15:28:10 Glenn: I have a couple of tweaks to make on the lineheight normal test, a shear test change 15:28:26 .. to make, a couple of possible bugs. I should be able to wrap those up then make a run 15:28:31 .. on the implementation report itself. 15:28:40 .. So nothing more to discuss right now I think. 15:30:31 Topic: AOB 15:30:46 Nigel: There's a new CSS issue on ruby offset, you may be interested in. 15:30:58 Glenn: I had planned to put that in a future Ruby module, but don't plan to do any work 15:31:02 .. on it at the moment. 15:31:34 atai has left #tt 15:32:05 -> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/4932 [w3c/csswg-drafts] [css-ruby] Ruby offset (#4932) 15:32:24 Nigel: Just for information - I pointed out that we used to have ruby offset in TTML2 but 15:32:31 .. removed it, in part because of the lack of CSS implementation. 15:32:34 Topic: Meeting close 15:32:47 Nigel: Thanks everyone, we've completed our agenda, so we'll close for today. 15:33:14 .. Do add agenda items to the agenda issue on GitHub please, by Tuesday, so the Chairs 15:33:19 .. can prepare the agenda. 15:33:24 .. 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