McCool: repo reorg
... and should talk about the plan for Helsinki
... possible virtual plugfest
... discovery over VPN
... any other topics?
McCool: new repo here
<McCool> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing
McCool: creating subdirectories
here
... should update the README
... "Systems" includes information on tools
<McCool> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/918
McCool: this PR deletes obsolete
materials
... move then to the wot-testing repo
... how do we feel about it?
Lagally: not really deleting anything?
McCool: right
... just move and restructure it later
... there are 5-6 different places about scenarios
... would reorganize it
Lagally: sounds good
McCool: reorganization will be done
separately
... may cause several broken links but we can fix them later
... anybody feels we should wait?
... any objections to merge this?
(no objections)
Kaz: let's go for it!
McCool: PR 918 of the "wot" repo has been merged
McCool: we should be consistent
Lagally: agree
... we should start with use case scenario and clarify gaps,
etc.
McCool: agree requirements discussion to
be done during the Architecture call
... but some of the information was installed separately so
far
... I could make a proposal for a better procedure
Lagally: we should have some more agreement about how to do describe that
Kaz: agree with both of you
... and would suggest we should think about what would be needed
and useful for new participants like Singapore govtech
... how to join the PlugFest activity, etc.
McCool: right
... would create 2 kinds of PRs
... reorg the structure and add templates
... next time we can discuss how to improve the procedure
... maybe for the new comers, some additional README should be
provided
... (creates two issues)
Issue 2 - create a "participation" README
Issue 3 - reorg existing material
Kaz: in addition to the template,
maybe there are 3 phases
... 1. gather common information about basic logistics and system
setting
... 2. gather each participant's information based on the
template
... 3. how to integrate all the collected information including
possible demo scenarios
McCool: yeah
... but testing is a bit different from plugfest itself
Kaz: ah, yes. that's true
... however, we still need to think about that kind of 3 phases
... the 3rd phase would be how to integrate the information without concrete demo, though
McCool: (updates the Helsinki wiki as
well)
... due to the Coronavirus issue, there is a possibility we need to
cancel the Helsinki f2f
... in that case, we could try online meeting and online
plugfest
... can we figure out how to set up VPN, etc.?
... know it's possible but we need experts
... also need a host who provides the service
... there are several choices
... we can do it ourselves, or hire somebody
... in the past, we ever had an online plugfest
... but we need to discuss the schedule
... what is people's preference?
Lagally: depends on the complexity of the content
McCool: right
... my expectation is getting prepared beforehand
... maybe people can solve issues using one hour from a day during
the previous week
... possibly 2-week VPN is up: week before the plugfest for
prepration, and the plugfest itself)
... participants commit to having all devices online all the
week
... light meeting schedule, e.g., 1h everyday, to resolve
issues
<inserted> people work offline or have 1:1 meetings to test pairs of devices
McCool: end we gather all test data and
create a report
... that's what in my mind
Lagally: VPN set-up is one of the
variants
... device connected directly with the Internet or via gateway
McCool: (adds Lagally's point to the wiki)
Ege: some use cases like hypermedia
vocabulary within TD
... should assume a bit different network configurations
McCool: VPN, cloud and NAT traversal
Kaz: we should have 2 separate
sections here
... 1. possible connection mechanisms
... 2. existing implementations/mechanisms to use
McCool: yeah
... note that VPN is used to simulate the local network
Kaz: yeah, I know about that
... but we should be clear enough for the new comers as well
Ege: probably we don't have to set up VPN services ourselves
Kaz: do you mean we can reuse some of the existing VPN services?
Ege: we can't reuse it directly but can think about some kind of collaboration...
McCool: we need to think about how to handle it transparently
Lagally: another comment
... if we look into media use cases
... input from the ME guys would be useful
... let's discuss it in detail tomorrow during the Architecture
call
[adjourned]