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20:40:54 <PWinstanley> chair: PWinstanley
20:41:25 <PWinstanley> meeting: DXWG Plenary
20:41:28 <PWinstanley> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2020.02.25
20:42:17 <PWinstanley> regrets+ SimonCox, Makx, RiccardoAlbertoni, DaveBrowning, RobA
20:42:29 <PWinstanley> rrsagent, create minutes v2
20:42:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/02/25-dxwg-minutes.html PWinstanley
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21:02:12 <ncar> present+
21:02:19 <annette_g> present+
21:02:57 <antoine> present+
21:03:22 <antoine> Scribenick: antoine
21:03:32 <antoine> rrsagent, please draft minutes v2
21:03:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/02/25-dxwg-minutes.html antoine
21:05:51 <antoine> Topic: admin
21:06:24 <antoine> proposal: accept minutes of last call https://www.w3.org/2020/02/18-dxwg-minutes
21:06:34 <antoine> annette_g: they were mixed up
21:06:52 <antoine> philippe: I've cleaned it
21:07:24 <antoine> PWinstanley: there are some warning
21:07:39 <antoine> ... in the diagnostics
21:07:48 <antoine> philippe: I'll fix that as well.
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21:08:23 <PWinstanley> +1
21:08:23 <antoine> +1
21:08:23 <annette_g> +1
21:08:26 <ncar> +1
21:08:30 <antoine> oops no 0 I was not here
21:08:45 <AndreaPerego> present+
21:08:46 <antoine> but it seems there's been some attention to the minutes :-)
21:09:05 <antoine> resolved: accept minutes https://www.w3.org/2020/02/18-dxwg-minutes
21:09:16 <antoine> Topic: DCAT V3
21:09:51 <antoine> PWinstanley: we agreed to split the repos
21:10:00 <antoine> ... open two new ones for Conneg and PROV
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21:10:25 <antoine> and do a bulk closure of Conneg and PROV in the current repo
21:10:37 <plh> dxwg, dx-prof-conneg
21:11:02 <antoine> philippe: not done yet. You want dxwg, dxwg-conneg and dxwg-prof ?
21:11:05 <plh> dxwg, dx-prof-conneg, dx-prof
21:11:18 <ncar> yes please!
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21:11:43 <ncar> did we make a call about UCR & Guidance?
21:12:03 <ncar> q+
21:12:22 <plh> https://github.com/w3c/dx-prof-conneg
21:12:30 <ncar> yes
21:12:48 <antoine> PWinstanley: the current one would be for DCAT
21:12:49 <antoine> q+
21:13:19 <ncar> dx-connegp
21:13:21 <ncar> dx-prof
21:13:34 <ncar> dx-prof-conneg is fine
21:13:47 <antoine> nooo!
21:14:07 <PWinstanley> q?
21:14:08 <ncar> copnnegp is my personal preferred term
21:14:11 <PWinstanley> ack ncar
21:14:12 <ncar> make that connegp
21:14:39 <antoine> ncar: did we discuss UCR and Guidance
21:14:45 <antoine> PWinstanley: no we didn't have time
21:14:47 <PWinstanley> ack antoine
21:15:25 <ncar> preferred dx-prof & dx-connegp
21:15:57 <PWinstanley> antoine: I am arguing against dx-prof-conneg
21:16:15 <plh> https://github.com/w3c/dx-connegp
21:16:16 <antoine> ncar: would it be possible to change the short name of prof-conneg?
21:16:25 <antoine> philippe: open an issue in the new repo!
21:16:35 <antoine> ... and assign the issue to me.
21:17:33 <antoine> PWinstanley: do you see issues for expedite the new github repo arrangement?
21:17:54 <antoine> philippe: connegp is created and I gave you access.
21:18:01 <antoine> ... do you want me to transfer issues?
21:18:11 <antoine> PWinstanley: pretty certain that yes
21:18:42 <antoine> ncar: for connegp and prof, yes, and we'll tidy them up
21:19:05 <antoine> q+
21:19:11 <PWinstanley> ack antoine
21:19:21 <antoine> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1211
21:20:03 <ncar> q+
21:20:06 <PWinstanley> antoine: question about shared issues, esp 1211.  It was originally about DCAT but spans two topics
21:20:13 <PWinstanley> ack ncar
21:20:42 <antoine> ncar: we'll have to do what we do with other work. Maybe create copy issues.
21:20:44 <PWinstanley> I think we just do as in other projects and make reference across repos.  Perhaps create peer issues if necessary
21:20:47 <plh> https://github.com/w3c/dx-prof now exists
21:20:47 <antoine> q+
21:20:48 <alejandra> present+
21:20:55 <PWinstanley> ack antoine
21:21:17 <antoine> ncar: we'll lose neatness but I think it's fine.
21:21:21 <PWinstanley> antoine: I can live with that, but if done automatically, which repo does it end up in?
21:21:32 <PWinstanley> ncar: in this case leave in DCAT
21:21:35 <antoine> ncar: in this one we can leave it with DCAT
21:21:38 <antoine> q+
21:21:45 <alejandra> question: should the prefix be dxwg rather than dx?
21:21:46 <PWinstanley> ack antoine
21:22:02 <alejandra> due to the existing repo: https://github.com/w3c/dxwg
21:22:05 <PWinstanley> antoine: good - so can we take a note of the shared issues?
21:22:38 <PWinstanley> ... I'm concerned that we lose info if this is done automatically
21:23:05 <antoine> PWinstanley: this is something we can identify by queries
21:23:37 <antoine> ncar: the tags are free-floating so they would retain the original labels
21:24:58 <antoine> alejandra: so we would create mirror issues? My concern is that we would still have to go back to original issues.
21:25:18 <antoine> PWinstanley: there may not be many, but there could be the important ones
21:25:30 <antoine> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1216#issuecomment-587788504
21:26:03 <antoine> alejandra: also shouldn't we keep the same prefix, i.e. dxwg?
21:26:09 <antoine> ... for consistency
21:26:34 <annette_g> q+
21:26:38 <antoine> PWinstanley: yes we probably should want to do this
21:26:51 <antoine> alejandra: especially if DCAT remains in the original repo
21:27:02 <PWinstanley> ack annette_g
21:27:10 <antoine> annette_g: wouldn't it create inconsistencies with the W3C websites?
21:27:24 <antoine> philippe: we track repos based on their configuration not their name
21:27:45 <antoine> ... what we recommend is that the name of the repo is the one of the short name of the spec
21:27:57 <alejandra> about the overlap of issues... there is now only 1 issue that shares the labels dcat and profiles-vocabulary: https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Aprofiles-vocabulary+label%3Adcat
21:27:57 <antoine> ... if one changes then the other should change
21:28:16 <antoine> q+
21:28:41 <antoine> PWinstanley: maybe we should do this once we start working with these new repos
21:28:46 <PWinstanley> ack antoine
21:28:52 <antoine> ... and the UCR
21:29:30 <alejandra> +q
21:29:41 <alejandra> and no issues between dcat and profiles-negotiation
21:29:47 <alejandra> -q
21:29:47 <PWinstanley> antoine: I wanted to point to the statistics on the shared issues that Riccardo / Karen were pointing out were not overlapping, but there is 1211
21:30:07 <alejandra> +q
21:31:26 <PWinstanley> ack alejandra
21:32:02 <antoine> alejandra: I agree that it falls into profile guidance but are we sure we don't want to add something in DCAT?
21:32:13 <antoine> ... the original post was about the description in DCAT
21:32:48 <ncar> Create a peer Issue Alejandra?
21:32:53 <antoine> ... there could be an issue created for the original spec
21:33:07 <antoine> philippe: we can create a peer issue if needed
21:33:18 <plh> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/389
21:33:34 <alejandra> sure - I will comment on the issue later - I think it has to stay in DCAT and we can create a peer issue in the guidance doc
21:33:36 <annette_g> nice!
21:33:52 <antoine> PWinstanley: alejandra is it something that you want to track?
21:34:08 <antoine> q+
21:34:53 <antoine> action: alejandra to keep an eye on #1211 as a shared issue
21:34:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-398 - Keep an eye on #1211 as a shared issue [on Alejandra Gonzalez Beltran - due 2020-03-03].
21:34:59 <antoine> q-
21:35:01 <PWinstanley> ack antoine
21:35:58 <antoine> PWinstanley: next topic is future work and UCR
21:36:04 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:36:24 <antoine> q+
21:36:29 <PWinstanley> ack antoine
21:36:49 <antoine> antoine: what needs to be done?
21:37:32 <antoine> PWinstanley: at the moment we have a list of future work and things in UCR that haven't be dealt with
21:37:43 <antoine> ... we need to check they are in line, and in scope
21:37:54 <antoine> q+
21:38:01 <antoine> ... we need to do some triage
21:38:03 <PWinstanley> ack antoine
21:38:25 <alejandra> +q
21:38:42 <PWinstanley> antoine: I was concerned that we would be re-doing UCR
21:38:44 <antoine> antoine: I thought this would be about doing a new UCR
21:38:45 <PWinstanley> PWinstanley: NO
21:38:48 <PWinstanley> ack alejandra
21:39:07 <antoine> alejandra: we don't even need to look at the UCR again, I believe
21:39:19 <annette_g> q+
21:39:39 <PWinstanley> ack annette_g
21:39:49 <antoine> ... in principle we've handled them, either solved them or they are open as github issues
21:40:03 <antoine> ... so we shouldn't have to look again at the original UCR
21:40:15 <alejandra> also note that we do have new use cases from those written in the UCR, but they are in github issues
21:40:20 <antoine> annette_g: do we have new people coming as per the re-chatering?
21:40:49 <antoine> PWinstanley: there should be people around, whom we could ask
21:41:10 <antoine> ... do you see anything appropriate for inclusion?
21:41:17 <PWinstanley> s/chatering/chartering/
21:41:26 <antoine> annette_g: I think I might have seen something, but it was late in the process
21:41:42 <antoine> ... it was about the need to streamline things
21:41:52 <antoine> ... I would need to write it in a coherent way
21:42:22 <antoine> ... We should consider how people put things into practice
21:42:40 <antoine> ... For example what we're asking in Conneg can be burdensome
21:42:52 <antoine> PW: user experience - user research?
21:42:56 <antoine> annette_g: yes
21:43:06 <antoine> PW: there are groups to which we could throw things
21:43:27 <antoine> ... a number of them from W3C members
21:43:40 <antoine> ... We tend to look at accessibility but there are other aspects of usability
21:44:14 <antoine> ... Anything else, e.g. on FAIR?
21:44:20 <antoine> q+
21:44:28 <PWinstanley> ack antoine
21:45:23 <PWinstanley> antoine: alejandra said that there are some use cases that are new (not in the UCR, but are in github issues).  Do these need to be put into the UCR?
21:45:51 <antoine> PWinstanley: I'm going to ask philippe where we're going in terms of agile method
21:46:01 <antoine> ... the UCR was waterfall-y.
21:46:26 <antoine> ... How should we think of our compentency questions?
21:46:39 <antoine> ... the UCR is not complete
21:46:52 <antoine> ... wrt competency questions
21:47:07 <antoine> s/compentency/competency
21:47:17 <antoine> philippe: UCR is not a REC, it's a NOTE
21:48:33 <antoine> PWinstanley: at this stage do we need to update the UCR doc with things in the github issues?
21:48:46 <antoine> philippe: no it's not needed
21:49:10 <antoine> ... I would recommend that before moving to CR that you mention where the requirements are
21:49:29 <antoine> ... because you'll need to prove you've met there.
21:49:32 <alejandra> Good! To be more agile is good to keep the use cases in github only
21:49:51 <antoine> PWinstanley: ok so as long as we're explicit on where the requirements came from and that we've handled them then we're good to go.
21:50:26 <plh> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues?page=1&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Aprofiles-vocabulary
21:50:37 <antoine> philippe: I've moved all the open issues for the two deliverable except these which had dual labels
21:50:52 <antoine> +1!
21:51:14 <antoine> PWinstanley: alejandra and ncar can look at them and mirror them if needed
21:51:18 <alejandra> +1
21:51:24 <annette_g> +1 to moving them
21:51:27 <antoine> philippe: do you want me to migrate the closed issues?
21:51:43 <ncar> =1
21:51:44 <ncar> +1
21:51:45 <antoine> ncar: I don't think it's a good idea but I won't object
21:52:08 <antoine> philippe: ok I'll do them one by one
21:52:09 <antoine> q+
21:52:28 <PWinstanley> ack antoine
21:53:08 <PWinstanley> antoine: asking plh - will the closed issues be moved with the same criteria as the live one - esp relating to issues spanning deliverables?
21:53:13 <PWinstanley> plh: yes
21:53:41 <antoine> philippe: something else: for the moment I've cloned the repo, keeping the structure and milestones
21:54:01 <antoine> ... for DCAT there could still be links to editor's drafts
21:54:21 <antoine> ... I can update the REC to point to the right place but it needs some coordination.
21:54:27 <antoine> Topic: Conneg
21:54:51 <antoine> ncar: Rob are going to check the test suite in the next day or two
21:55:33 <antoine> ... we don't think there will be a lot of change but will check
21:55:48 <antoine> ... the main change will be adding a list of requirements
21:55:53 <antoine> Topic: PROF
21:56:18 <antoine> ncar: I've made a profile hierarchy-based validation tool
21:56:52 <antoine> ... the tool is fed with a data graph and a profile hierarchy and hunts for the SHACL files available for the hierarchy.
21:57:07 <antoine> ... it implements one of our use cases.
21:57:34 <antoine> ... I've implemented this tool because we need to validate data for another project [???]
21:57:48 <antoine> ... which will make conformance claims based on the outcome
21:58:53 <antoine> PWinstanley: maybe you can check and move the drafts to the new repo
21:58:56 <antoine> q+
21:59:20 <antoine> ncar: ok but how about the issues?
21:59:28 <antoine> PWinstanley: they are moved
21:59:36 <antoine> q-
21:59:56 <antoine> ... it would be good to have visibility for the group, with links
22:00:25 <antoine> action: ncar to mail the group with a proposal to move the prof and connegp drafts from the original repo to the new ones
22:00:25 <trackbot> Created ACTION-399 - Mail the group with a proposal to move the prof and connegp drafts from the original repo to the new ones [on Nicholas Car - due 2020-03-03].
22:01:01 <antoine> rrsagent, please draft minutes v2
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22:01:02 <alejandra> thanks all, and bye!
22:01:15 <AndreaPerego> Thanks, bye!
22:01:29 <PWinstanley> rrsagent, create minutes v2
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