IRC log of dxwg on 2020-02-25

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chair: PWinstanley
20:41:25 [PWinstanley]
meeting: DXWG Plenary
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agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2020.02.25
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regrets+ SimonCox, Makx, RiccardoAlbertoni, DaveBrowning, RobA
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present+
21:02:19 [annette_g]
present+
21:02:57 [antoine]
present+
21:03:22 [antoine]
Scribenick: antoine
21:03:32 [antoine]
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21:05:51 [antoine]
Topic: admin
21:06:24 [antoine]
proposal: accept minutes of last call https://www.w3.org/2020/02/18-dxwg-minutes
21:06:34 [antoine]
annette_g: they were mixed up
21:06:52 [antoine]
philippe: I've cleaned it
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PWinstanley: there are some warning
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... in the diagnostics
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philippe: I'll fix that as well.
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21:08:23 [PWinstanley]
+1
21:08:23 [antoine]
+1
21:08:23 [annette_g]
+1
21:08:26 [ncar]
+1
21:08:30 [antoine]
oops no 0 I was not here
21:08:45 [AndreaPerego]
present+
21:08:46 [antoine]
but it seems there's been some attention to the minutes :-)
21:09:05 [antoine]
resolved: accept minutes https://www.w3.org/2020/02/18-dxwg-minutes
21:09:16 [antoine]
Topic: DCAT V3
21:09:51 [antoine]
PWinstanley: we agreed to split the repos
21:10:00 [antoine]
... open two new ones for Conneg and PROV
21:10:19 [plh]
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21:10:25 [antoine]
and do a bulk closure of Conneg and PROV in the current repo
21:10:37 [plh]
dxwg, dx-prof-conneg
21:11:02 [antoine]
philippe: not done yet. You want dxwg, dxwg-conneg and dxwg-prof ?
21:11:05 [plh]
dxwg, dx-prof-conneg, dx-prof
21:11:18 [ncar]
yes please!
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21:11:43 [ncar]
did we make a call about UCR & Guidance?
21:12:03 [ncar]
q+
21:12:22 [plh]
https://github.com/w3c/dx-prof-conneg
21:12:30 [ncar]
yes
21:12:48 [antoine]
PWinstanley: the current one would be for DCAT
21:12:49 [antoine]
q+
21:13:19 [ncar]
dx-connegp
21:13:21 [ncar]
dx-prof
21:13:34 [ncar]
dx-prof-conneg is fine
21:13:47 [antoine]
nooo!
21:14:07 [PWinstanley]
q?
21:14:08 [ncar]
copnnegp is my personal preferred term
21:14:11 [PWinstanley]
ack ncar
21:14:12 [ncar]
make that connegp
21:14:39 [antoine]
ncar: did we discuss UCR and Guidance
21:14:45 [antoine]
PWinstanley: no we didn't have time
21:14:47 [PWinstanley]
ack antoine
21:15:25 [ncar]
preferred dx-prof & dx-connegp
21:15:57 [PWinstanley]
antoine: I am arguing against dx-prof-conneg
21:16:15 [plh]
https://github.com/w3c/dx-connegp
21:16:16 [antoine]
ncar: would it be possible to change the short name of prof-conneg?
21:16:25 [antoine]
philippe: open an issue in the new repo!
21:16:35 [antoine]
... and assign the issue to me.
21:17:33 [antoine]
PWinstanley: do you see issues for expedite the new github repo arrangement?
21:17:54 [antoine]
philippe: connegp is created and I gave you access.
21:18:01 [antoine]
... do you want me to transfer issues?
21:18:11 [antoine]
PWinstanley: pretty certain that yes
21:18:42 [antoine]
ncar: for connegp and prof, yes, and we'll tidy them up
21:19:05 [antoine]
q+
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ack antoine
21:19:21 [antoine]
https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1211
21:20:03 [ncar]
q+
21:20:06 [PWinstanley]
antoine: question about shared issues, esp 1211. It was originally about DCAT but spans two topics
21:20:13 [PWinstanley]
ack ncar
21:20:42 [antoine]
ncar: we'll have to do what we do with other work. Maybe create copy issues.
21:20:44 [PWinstanley]
I think we just do as in other projects and make reference across repos. Perhaps create peer issues if necessary
21:20:47 [plh]
https://github.com/w3c/dx-prof now exists
21:20:47 [antoine]
q+
21:20:48 [alejandra]
present+
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ack antoine
21:21:17 [antoine]
ncar: we'll lose neatness but I think it's fine.
21:21:21 [PWinstanley]
antoine: I can live with that, but if done automatically, which repo does it end up in?
21:21:32 [PWinstanley]
ncar: in this case leave in DCAT
21:21:35 [antoine]
ncar: in this one we can leave it with DCAT
21:21:38 [antoine]
q+
21:21:45 [alejandra]
question: should the prefix be dxwg rather than dx?
21:21:46 [PWinstanley]
ack antoine
21:22:02 [alejandra]
due to the existing repo: https://github.com/w3c/dxwg
21:22:05 [PWinstanley]
antoine: good - so can we take a note of the shared issues?
21:22:38 [PWinstanley]
... I'm concerned that we lose info if this is done automatically
21:23:05 [antoine]
PWinstanley: this is something we can identify by queries
21:23:37 [antoine]
ncar: the tags are free-floating so they would retain the original labels
21:24:58 [antoine]
alejandra: so we would create mirror issues? My concern is that we would still have to go back to original issues.
21:25:18 [antoine]
PWinstanley: there may not be many, but there could be the important ones
21:25:30 [antoine]
https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1216#issuecomment-587788504
21:26:03 [antoine]
alejandra: also shouldn't we keep the same prefix, i.e. dxwg?
21:26:09 [antoine]
... for consistency
21:26:34 [annette_g]
q+
21:26:38 [antoine]
PWinstanley: yes we probably should want to do this
21:26:51 [antoine]
alejandra: especially if DCAT remains in the original repo
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ack annette_g
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annette_g: wouldn't it create inconsistencies with the W3C websites?
21:27:24 [antoine]
philippe: we track repos based on their configuration not their name
21:27:45 [antoine]
... what we recommend is that the name of the repo is the one of the short name of the spec
21:27:57 [alejandra]
about the overlap of issues... there is now only 1 issue that shares the labels dcat and profiles-vocabulary: https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Aprofiles-vocabulary+label%3Adcat
21:27:57 [antoine]
... if one changes then the other should change
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q+
21:28:41 [antoine]
PWinstanley: maybe we should do this once we start working with these new repos
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ack antoine
21:28:52 [antoine]
... and the UCR
21:29:30 [alejandra]
+q
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and no issues between dcat and profiles-negotiation
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-q
21:29:47 [PWinstanley]
antoine: I wanted to point to the statistics on the shared issues that Riccardo / Karen were pointing out were not overlapping, but there is 1211
21:30:07 [alejandra]
+q
21:31:26 [PWinstanley]
ack alejandra
21:32:02 [antoine]
alejandra: I agree that it falls into profile guidance but are we sure we don't want to add something in DCAT?
21:32:13 [antoine]
... the original post was about the description in DCAT
21:32:48 [ncar]
Create a peer Issue Alejandra?
21:32:53 [antoine]
... there could be an issue created for the original spec
21:33:07 [antoine]
philippe: we can create a peer issue if needed
21:33:18 [plh]
https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/389
21:33:34 [alejandra]
sure - I will comment on the issue later - I think it has to stay in DCAT and we can create a peer issue in the guidance doc
21:33:36 [annette_g]
nice!
21:33:52 [antoine]
PWinstanley: alejandra is it something that you want to track?
21:34:08 [antoine]
q+
21:34:53 [antoine]
action: alejandra to keep an eye on #1211 as a shared issue
21:34:53 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-398 - Keep an eye on #1211 as a shared issue [on Alejandra Gonzalez Beltran - due 2020-03-03].
21:34:59 [antoine]
q-
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ack antoine
21:35:58 [antoine]
PWinstanley: next topic is future work and UCR
21:36:04 [AndreaPerego]
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21:36:24 [antoine]
q+
21:36:29 [PWinstanley]
ack antoine
21:36:49 [antoine]
antoine: what needs to be done?
21:37:32 [antoine]
PWinstanley: at the moment we have a list of future work and things in UCR that haven't be dealt with
21:37:43 [antoine]
... we need to check they are in line, and in scope
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q+
21:38:01 [antoine]
... we need to do some triage
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ack antoine
21:38:25 [alejandra]
+q
21:38:42 [PWinstanley]
antoine: I was concerned that we would be re-doing UCR
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antoine: I thought this would be about doing a new UCR
21:38:45 [PWinstanley]
PWinstanley: NO
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ack alejandra
21:39:07 [antoine]
alejandra: we don't even need to look at the UCR again, I believe
21:39:19 [annette_g]
q+
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ack annette_g
21:39:49 [antoine]
... in principle we've handled them, either solved them or they are open as github issues
21:40:03 [antoine]
... so we shouldn't have to look again at the original UCR
21:40:15 [alejandra]
also note that we do have new use cases from those written in the UCR, but they are in github issues
21:40:20 [antoine]
annette_g: do we have new people coming as per the re-chatering?
21:40:49 [antoine]
PWinstanley: there should be people around, whom we could ask
21:41:10 [antoine]
... do you see anything appropriate for inclusion?
21:41:17 [PWinstanley]
s/chatering/chartering/
21:41:26 [antoine]
annette_g: I think I might have seen something, but it was late in the process
21:41:42 [antoine]
... it was about the need to streamline things
21:41:52 [antoine]
... I would need to write it in a coherent way
21:42:22 [antoine]
... We should consider how people put things into practice
21:42:40 [antoine]
... For example what we're asking in Conneg can be burdensome
21:42:52 [antoine]
PW: user experience - user research?
21:42:56 [antoine]
annette_g: yes
21:43:06 [antoine]
PW: there are groups to which we could throw things
21:43:27 [antoine]
... a number of them from W3C members
21:43:40 [antoine]
... We tend to look at accessibility but there are other aspects of usability
21:44:14 [antoine]
... Anything else, e.g. on FAIR?
21:44:20 [antoine]
q+
21:44:28 [PWinstanley]
ack antoine
21:45:23 [PWinstanley]
antoine: alejandra said that there are some use cases that are new (not in the UCR, but are in github issues). Do these need to be put into the UCR?
21:45:51 [antoine]
PWinstanley: I'm going to ask philippe where we're going in terms of agile method
21:46:01 [antoine]
... the UCR was waterfall-y.
21:46:26 [antoine]
... How should we think of our compentency questions?
21:46:39 [antoine]
... the UCR is not complete
21:46:52 [antoine]
... wrt competency questions
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s/compentency/competency
21:47:17 [antoine]
philippe: UCR is not a REC, it's a NOTE
21:48:33 [antoine]
PWinstanley: at this stage do we need to update the UCR doc with things in the github issues?
21:48:46 [antoine]
philippe: no it's not needed
21:49:10 [antoine]
... I would recommend that before moving to CR that you mention where the requirements are
21:49:29 [antoine]
... because you'll need to prove you've met there.
21:49:32 [alejandra]
Good! To be more agile is good to keep the use cases in github only
21:49:51 [antoine]
PWinstanley: ok so as long as we're explicit on where the requirements came from and that we've handled them then we're good to go.
21:50:26 [plh]
https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues?page=1&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Aprofiles-vocabulary
21:50:37 [antoine]
philippe: I've moved all the open issues for the two deliverable except these which had dual labels
21:50:52 [antoine]
+1!
21:51:14 [antoine]
PWinstanley: alejandra and ncar can look at them and mirror them if needed
21:51:18 [alejandra]
+1
21:51:24 [annette_g]
+1 to moving them
21:51:27 [antoine]
philippe: do you want me to migrate the closed issues?
21:51:43 [ncar]
=1
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+1
21:51:45 [antoine]
ncar: I don't think it's a good idea but I won't object
21:52:08 [antoine]
philippe: ok I'll do them one by one
21:52:09 [antoine]
q+
21:52:28 [PWinstanley]
ack antoine
21:53:08 [PWinstanley]
antoine: asking plh - will the closed issues be moved with the same criteria as the live one - esp relating to issues spanning deliverables?
21:53:13 [PWinstanley]
plh: yes
21:53:41 [antoine]
philippe: something else: for the moment I've cloned the repo, keeping the structure and milestones
21:54:01 [antoine]
... for DCAT there could still be links to editor's drafts
21:54:21 [antoine]
... I can update the REC to point to the right place but it needs some coordination.
21:54:27 [antoine]
Topic: Conneg
21:54:51 [antoine]
ncar: Rob are going to check the test suite in the next day or two
21:55:33 [antoine]
... we don't think there will be a lot of change but will check
21:55:48 [antoine]
... the main change will be adding a list of requirements
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Topic: PROF
21:56:18 [antoine]
ncar: I've made a profile hierarchy-based validation tool
21:56:52 [antoine]
... the tool is fed with a data graph and a profile hierarchy and hunts for the SHACL files available for the hierarchy.
21:57:07 [antoine]
... it implements one of our use cases.
21:57:34 [antoine]
... I've implemented this tool because we need to validate data for another project [???]
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... which will make conformance claims based on the outcome
21:58:53 [antoine]
PWinstanley: maybe you can check and move the drafts to the new repo
21:58:56 [antoine]
q+
21:59:20 [antoine]
ncar: ok but how about the issues?
21:59:28 [antoine]
PWinstanley: they are moved
21:59:36 [antoine]
q-
21:59:56 [antoine]
... it would be good to have visibility for the group, with links
22:00:25 [antoine]
action: ncar to mail the group with a proposal to move the prof and connegp drafts from the original repo to the new ones
22:00:25 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-399 - Mail the group with a proposal to move the prof and connegp drafts from the original repo to the new ones [on Nicholas Car - due 2020-03-03].
22:01:01 [antoine]
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/02/25-dxwg-minutes.html antoine
22:01:02 [alejandra]
thanks all, and bye!
22:01:15 [AndreaPerego]
Thanks, bye!
22:01:29 [PWinstanley]
rrsagent, create minutes v2
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/02/25-dxwg-minutes.html PWinstanley
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