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20:46:39 <PWinstanley> chair: PWinstanley
20:47:07 <PWinstanley> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2020.01.28
20:47:14 <PWinstanley> meeting: DXWG Plenary
20:47:33 <PWinstanley> regrets+ Makx, Alejandra
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21:05:52 <roba> scribenick: roba
21:07:29 <PWinstanley> topic: admin
21:07:39 <PWinstanley> https://www.w3.org/2020/01/21-dxwg-minutes
21:07:52 <roba> Proposed: accept minutes of last meeting'
21:07:58 <PWinstanley> +1
21:07:58 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
21:08:11 <roba> +0
21:08:14 <Ana> +1
21:08:15 <Ana> sorry
21:08:34 <roba> resolved: accept minutes of last meeting
21:08:47 <roba> topic: DCAT 3 items
21:08:49 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
21:08:58 <PWinstanley> ack riccardoAlbertoni
21:09:11 <PWinstanley> topic: DCAT2 publication
21:09:38 <roba> riccardoAlbertoni: two reminders for @plh re content negotiation
21:09:42 <riccardoAlbertoni> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/milestone/24.
21:10:55 <roba> plh: issues assigned to myself to solve - can fix later if need be
21:11:44 <roba> riccardoAlbertoni: #1182 is due for closing
21:13:14 <roba> ... discussion open about how to support (couldnt catch...)  DCAT is ready
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21:14:20 <AndreaPerego> present+
21:14:31 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
21:14:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/01/28-dxwg-minutes.html AndreaPerego
21:15:33 <riccardoAlbertoni> https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/errata/
21:15:36 <roba> ...discussion about handling errata documents
21:16:14 <riccardoAlbertoni> https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/dcat/
21:16:55 <roba> plh: should i change status and publish as is ?
21:17:31 <roba> riccardoAlbertoni: yes - but open issues like we dont know where the RDF turtle will be
21:18:03 <roba> plh: suggest move not to status of document
21:18:13 <roba> s/not/note/
21:18:24 <roba> ... did you run pubrules?
21:18:28 <AndreaPerego> q+ to ask about issue posted in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dxwg-wg/2020Jan/0107.html
21:18:42 <PWinstanley> ack AndreaPerego
21:18:42 <Zakim> AndreaPerego, you wanted to ask about issue posted in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dxwg-wg/2020Jan/0107.html
21:19:01 <roba>  riccardoAlbertoni: discussion was to leave as note, but open to suggestions... have not run pubrules
21:19:13 <roba> plh: will run rules by end of week
21:20:04 <roba> AndreaPerego: new version of DCterms has been published: yet to review - should we put in some caveat?
21:20:52 <roba> PWinstanley: why not push to v3? - DCterms previous version still valid
21:21:24 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1 to put it in version 3
21:21:32 <roba> ...otherwise need to do everything in 2 days, including pub rules
21:21:46 <roba> ... safe enough in your opinion?
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21:22:41 <roba> AndreaPerego: option is to modify references to point to previous version - we are using references to the current version
21:23:33 <riccardoAlbertoni> ok
21:23:42 <roba> ...I can do a PR to replace link - we can decide it to merge it
21:24:10 <roba> ACTION: AndreaPerego to draft a PR with links to specific version of DC terms
21:24:11 <trackbot> Created ACTION-389 - Draft a pr with links to specific version of dc terms [on Andrea Perego - due 2020-02-04].
21:24:14 <AndreaPerego> +1
21:24:18 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
21:24:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/01/28-dxwg-minutes.html AndreaPerego
21:24:41 <roba> roba: will there be an issue with the TTL files?
21:24:57 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:25:02 <PWinstanley> ack AndreaPerego
21:25:15 <roba> PWinstanley: should be handled in PR
21:26:12 <plh> q+
21:26:20 <PWinstanley> ack plh
21:26:20 <roba> AndreaPerego: probably dont have time to review, Dcterms defintions are not complex though
21:27:06 <roba> plh: my recommendation is not to do anything - if there is an issue deal with it in V3 or in errata
21:27:09 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:27:30 <PWinstanley> ack AndreaPerego
21:27:55 <roba> AndreaPerego: happy to move to v3
21:28:44 <roba> propose: close new action-389 and create issue for this
21:28:49 <PWinstanley> +1
21:28:53 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
21:28:53 <roba> +1
21:28:54 <Ana> +1
21:28:54 <AndreaPerego> +1
21:28:58 <plh> +1
21:29:05 <alejandra> +1
21:29:13 <roba> resolved: close new action-389 and create issue for this
21:29:33 <AndreaPerego> close action-389
21:29:33 <trackbot> Closed action-389.
21:29:40 <roba> plh: what about the blog?
21:29:59 <alejandra> regrets- alejandra
21:30:00 <roba> PWinstanley: will have a draft put round by end of the week
21:30:07 <alejandra> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
21:30:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/01/28-dxwg-minutes.html alejandra
21:30:32 <roba> ACTION: PWinstanley to draft blog post for DCAT2
21:30:33 <trackbot> Created ACTION-390 - Draft blog post for dcat2 [on Peter Winstanley - due 2020-02-04].
21:32:11 <roba> PWinstanley: we have a spreadsheet with contacts - need to send emails to this contact list and ask for implementations and errata
21:32:28 <roba> ...please email your contacts
21:33:05 <alejandra> I think this is the spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_f5CAZv7rgUjJH5YXkmD6w5xS6GX5X2AmEp_LMptAfQ/edit#gid=0
21:33:19 <alejandra> sure
21:33:23 <roba> ... to do after blog.
21:33:32 <roba> topic: Conneg
21:34:47 <PWinstanley> roba: I talked to nick yesterday - I don't know that there's anything we are waiting for re: publication, but I am actively working on implementation and test suites
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21:35:42 <roba> plh: next step is to move to CR
21:35:56 <PWinstanley> ... I am preparing implementations on both QSA and also headers.  There are challenges in making tests on these implementations comparible
21:36:16 <roba> roba: prefer to get implementations deployed before moving to CR
21:36:26 <annette_g> present+
21:36:29 <alejandra> created new worksheet on spreadsheet for DCAT2 REC publicity: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_f5CAZv7rgUjJH5YXkmD6w5xS6GX5X2AmEp_LMptAfQ/edit#gid=560881316
21:36:46 <roba> PWinstanley: any other comments on conneg?
21:36:54 <roba> topic: DCAT version 3
21:37:08 <roba> PWinstanley: how are we going to work out what v3 will cover
21:37:54 <roba> ...we are probably not representative for this discussion
21:37:56 <AndreaPerego> GH issue about DCTERMS new version just created: https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1213
21:38:01 <roba> ...should we split repo
21:38:04 <roba> q+
21:38:08 <PWinstanley> ack roba
21:39:48 <PWinstanley> roba: I would definitely like to see the repo split.  It is a good opportunity to make more visible the issues relating to the work of the specific deliverable.  There is also mention in v2 saying that aspects of DCAT 2 would be handled by the profile.  We need to incorporate this thinking more explicitly
21:40:29 <PWinstanley> ... I would also specifically urge against creating specific aspects of DCAT that would be better handled by profiles
21:40:31 <alejandra> +q
21:40:35 <PWinstanley> ack alejandra
21:41:09 <AndreaPerego> q+ to say not so sure about splitting the report and working on profiles in DCAT 3
21:41:34 <plh> q+
21:41:47 <roba> -1 to cloning issues - better to review them and make a case to reopen
21:42:22 <roba> plh: recommend to clone repository - keep history of commits - then transfer issues to the clone
21:42:45 <roba> ...there is a concept of transferring issues
21:42:46 <PWinstanley> q?
21:43:10 <plh> https://help.github.com/en/github/managing-your-work-on-github/transferring-an-issue-to-another-repository
21:43:57 <alejandra> great
21:44:13 <roba> alejandra: also interested in profiles - we have exampes here
21:44:41 <roba> ... should we use the Priimer?
21:44:52 <annette_g> q+
21:44:55 <roba> PWinstanley: we can publish Notes as well
21:44:58 <PWinstanley> s/Priimer/Primer/
21:45:02 <plh> q-
21:45:15 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1 to keep the issues  and maintain the precious discussions we've had..
21:45:23 <roba> alejandra: we have some work on dataset series to revisit
21:45:38 <roba> ...create a milestone
21:45:39 <PWinstanley> q?
21:45:43 <PWinstanley> ack AndreaPerego
21:45:43 <Zakim> AndreaPerego, you wanted to say not so sure about splitting the report and working on profiles in DCAT 3
21:46:45 <alejandra> this is the milestone we already have with priority for future work in DCAT: https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/milestone/15
21:46:55 <alejandra> I think we should revise that selection
21:46:57 <roba>  AndreaPerego: same concerns we may lose issue - so happy to see a possible solution. Re profiles +1 to point by roba - may be domain independent. So far profiles of DCAT made by communities.
21:47:05 <annette_g> q-
21:47:11 <roba> ...concerned about potential for conflict.
21:47:39 <roba> PWinstanley: isnt point to be instructional - to show how things can be addressed by a profile?
21:47:42 <plh> "The Dataset Exchange Working Group will not create application profiles or metadata standards that only apply to very specific domains (such as particle physics, accountancy, oncology etc.)"
21:48:38 <roba> AndreaPerego: propose to review issue - if domain-independent can go into V3 otherwise explore options
21:48:51 <roba> q+
21:49:33 <roba> ...one issue is that there may be many valid ways of solving a problem, so guidance doesnt always help
21:49:39 <PWinstanley> ack roba
21:50:36 <PWinstanley> roba: I think that there is likely to be a middle ground between general cases and application-specific requirements (which should be managed by communities) where we can find good practice patterns
21:50:50 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:50:55 <PWinstanley> ack AndreaPerego
21:51:17 <roba> AndreaPerego: agree - important to review open issues
21:51:33 <roba> +1 for triage of issues first :-)
21:51:54 <alejandra> +q
21:52:03 <roba> PWinstanley: we have UCR document too
21:52:09 <AndreaPerego> +1 to look at the UCR for not addressed requirements.
21:52:25 <PWinstanley> ack alejandra
21:52:56 <roba> alejandra: fine to look at UCR - but we have already  generated issues
21:53:01 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:54:09 <roba> PWinstanley: who is going to do this? joint activity or alejandra doing as part of milestone review?
21:54:12 <AndreaPerego> s/splitting the report/splitting the repo/
21:54:46 <roba> alejandra: can have my view then we need to discuss
21:56:35 <roba> PWinstanley: focus of charter is expanasion of community using FAIR principles - need to get people on board ASAP
21:56:55 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:57:40 <roba> topic: open action actions https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/open
21:57:51 <roba> 388 is closed
21:59:01 <roba> plh: we can not go to cc0 without 6 weeks loop. we have moved to cc-by4 already
21:59:30 <roba> ...need to recharter - so part of move to evergreen process
22:00:04 <roba> PWinstanley: can we go back to wikidata and have conversation about cc0 need?
22:00:42 <roba> ...now we are clear we need to open discussion with wikidata?
22:01:01 <roba> closing 385
22:01:07 <AndreaPerego> close action-385
22:01:07 <trackbot> Closed action-385.
22:01:09 <roba> closed 386
22:01:15 <AndreaPerego> close action-386
22:01:15 <trackbot> Closed action-386.
22:01:36 <alejandra> thanks all, and bye!
22:01:38 <riccardoAlbertoni> thank you all, good night
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22:01:51 <AndreaPerego> Bye
22:01:52 <Ana> thanks all, bye
22:04:53 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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22:05:44 <AndreaPerego> regrets+ SimonCox
22:05:46 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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22:15:50 <AndreaPerego> regrets+ Antoine
22:15:51 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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