IRC log of dxwg on 2020-01-21
Timestamps are in UTC.
- 20:57:42 [RRSAgent]
- RRSAgent has joined #dxwg
- 20:57:42 [RRSAgent]
- logging to https://www.w3.org/2020/01/21-dxwg-irc
- 20:57:52 [PWinstanley]
- rrsagent, make logs public
- 20:58:12 [Caroline]
- Caroline has joined #DXWG
- 20:58:25 [PWinstanley]
- regrets+ AndreaPerego, Antoine
- 20:58:33 [PWinstanley]
- chair: Caroline
- 20:58:41 [Ana]
- Ana has joined #DXWG
- 20:58:45 [Caroline]
- Present+ Caroline
- 20:58:48 [PWinstanley]
- agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2020.01.21
- 20:58:59 [PWinstanley]
- meeting: DXWG Plenary
- 20:59:28 [Ana]
- * Present+ Ana
- 20:59:31 [PWinstanley]
- rrsagent, create minutes v2
- 20:59:31 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/01/21-dxwg-minutes.html PWinstanley
- 20:59:36 [Makx]
- Makx has joined #dxwg
- 20:59:43 [PWinstanley]
- present+
- 21:00:48 [annette_g]
- annette_g has joined #dxwg
- 21:01:15 [alejandra]
- alejandra has joined #dxwg
- 21:02:04 [RiccardoAlbertoni]
- RiccardoAlbertoni has joined #dxwg
- 21:02:08 [alejandra]
- present+
- 21:02:18 [RiccardoAlbertoni]
- present+
- 21:02:23 [annette_g]
- present+
- 21:05:28 [Makx]
- present+ Makx
- 21:07:28 [PWinstanley]
- scribenick: PWinstanley
- 21:07:37 [PWinstanley]
- topic: admin
- 21:08:20 [AndreaPerego]
- AndreaPerego has joined #dxwg
- 21:08:21 [PWinstanley]
- proposed: accept minutes of the last meeting - https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2020.01.21
- 21:08:29 [AndreaPerego]
- present+
- 21:08:35 [Caroline]
- Scribe: PWinstanley
- 21:08:50 [PWinstanley]
- https://www.w3.org/2020/01/14-dxwg-minutes
- 21:09:04 [RiccardoAlbertoni]
- +1
- 21:09:06 [Caroline]
- +1
- 21:09:08 [PWinstanley]
- +1
- 21:09:09 [Ana]
- +1
- 21:09:14 [AndreaPerego]
- +1
- 21:09:16 [annette_g]
- +1
- 21:09:18 [alejandra]
- +1
- 21:09:47 [PWinstanley]
- resolved: accept minutes of the last meeting - https://www.w3.org/2020/01/14-dxwg-minutes
- 21:10:50 [PWinstanley]
- topic: DCAT update on key items
- 21:10:57 [RiccardoAlbertoni]
- +q
- 21:11:09 [AndreaPerego]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
- 21:11:09 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/01/21-dxwg-minutes.html AndreaPerego
- 21:11:31 [AndreaPerego]
- ack RiccardoAlbertoni
- 21:11:53 [RiccardoAlbertoni]
- https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/milestone/24
- 21:12:02 [PWinstanley]
- RiccardoAlbertoni: we have closed some issues but some are still open. they are in a milestone 24.
- 21:12:21 [Caroline]
- ack RiccardoAlbertoni
- 21:12:25 [Caroline]
- s/ack/ac
- 21:12:34 [AndreaPerego]
- https://raw.githack.com/w3c/dxwg/andrea-perego-dxwg-errata/errata/index.html
- 21:12:41 [Caroline]
- q?
- 21:12:49 [PWinstanley]
- ... the most important is the errata page. Andrea has recommended an approach in the link above
- 21:13:02 [AndreaPerego]
- Relevant discussion: https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1182#issuecomment-575755992
- 21:13:14 [PWinstanley]
- ... Are we all happy with this? There has already been discussion
- 21:13:19 [AndreaPerego]
- q+
- 21:13:20 [alejandra]
- +q
- 21:13:38 [Caroline]
- ac AndreaPerego
- 21:14:23 [PWinstanley]
- AndreaPerego: thanks to alejandra we found a standard / recommended approach for errata. We propose to follow the same approach.
- 21:14:49 [AndreaPerego]
- https://github.com/w3c/display_errata
- 21:15:21 [PWinstanley]
- ... The link from the W3C Github site I just posted in the minutes gives more detail
- 21:15:34 [Caroline]
- q?
- 21:15:38 [Caroline]
- ack AndreaPerego
- 21:16:22 [AndreaPerego]
- https://raw.githack.com/w3c/dxwg/andrea-perego-dxwg-errata/errata/index.html
- 21:16:23 [PWinstanley]
- ... It is possible to bring into the one doc / framework errata from all of a workgroup's deliverables
- 21:17:20 [PWinstanley]
- ... If we go this way then we have 1 doc for all deliverables. There is another option - one doc for each deliverable.
- 21:17:34 [PWinstanley]
- ... So there is a decision to be made by the plenary
- 21:17:52 [PWinstanley]
- ... so that we are consistent
- 21:18:07 [RiccardoAlbertoni]
- +1 to have a resolution about the approach
- 21:18:22 [Caroline]
- ack alejandra
- 21:19:25 [alejandra]
- https://github.com/w3c/sdw
- 21:19:40 [PWinstanley]
- alejandra: I have a preference for one errata page per specification. If we split the repo then this makes it easier. It is also clearer for readers to know which deliverable any erratum refers to if they are in deliverable-specific pages
- 21:19:45 [alejandra]
- https://github.com/w3c/sdw/blob/gh-pages/ssn/errata.html
- 21:19:58 [PWinstanley]
- ... this is an example from the SSN W/G
- 21:20:02 [alejandra]
- https://github.com/w3c/sdw/blob/gh-pages/time/errata.html
- 21:20:21 [PWinstanley]
- ... and here is another for the time ontology
- 21:20:40 [PWinstanley]
- +1 to alejandra
- 21:20:41 [Caroline]
- q?
- 21:21:04 [PWinstanley]
- proposed: to have one errata page for each deliverable
- 21:21:41 [alejandra]
- +q
- 21:22:01 [alejandra]
- q-
- 21:22:01 [Caroline]
- ack alejandra
- 21:22:09 [PWinstanley]
- proposed: to use the W3C method for the errata page
- 21:22:31 [alejandra]
- +1 (it seems to me that it is the recommended method)
- 21:22:35 [Makx]
- +1
- 21:22:35 [PWinstanley]
- +1
- 21:22:38 [Caroline]
- +1
- 21:22:39 [Ana]
- +1
- 21:22:41 [AndreaPerego]
- +1
- 21:22:44 [annette_g]
- +1
- 21:22:46 [RiccardoAlbertoni]
- +1
- 21:22:47 [PWinstanley]
- resolved: to use the W3C method for the errata page
- 21:22:55 [PWinstanley]
- proposed: to have one errata page for each deliverable
- 21:23:10 [alejandra]
- +1
- 21:23:14 [PWinstanley]
- +1
- 21:23:14 [Caroline]
- +1
- 21:23:16 [Ana]
- +1
- 21:23:18 [AndreaPerego]
- 0
- 21:23:22 [annette_g]
- +1
- 21:23:25 [RiccardoAlbertoni]
- +0
- 21:23:45 [PWinstanley]
- resolved: to have one errata page for each deliverable
- 21:23:50 [PWinstanley]
- q+
- 21:23:56 [AndreaPerego]
- q+
- 21:24:00 [Caroline]
- ack PWinstanley
- 21:24:09 [Caroline]
- scribe: Caroline
- 21:24:10 [RiccardoAlbertoni]
- +q
- 21:25:10 [Caroline]
- PWinstanley: the benefits of having a sing document. There are situations where we might have multiple deliverables
- 21:25:31 [PWinstanley]
- s/sing/single/
- 21:25:40 [Caroline]
- ... if we are going to have separated pages would be nice to indicate because it would be easier on a single document
- 21:25:44 [alejandra]
- has anyone found an example on having a single errata document for several specs?
- 21:25:46 [Caroline]
- Scribe: PWinstanley
- 21:25:51 [alejandra]
- It might be good to see how it looks
- 21:25:56 [RiccardoAlbertoni]
- q-
- 21:26:03 [Caroline]
- ack AndreaPerego
- 21:27:19 [PWinstanley]
- AndreaPerego: we have to consider 1) in the W3C approach there is a section to give the specification, but there is also an option to capture errata that are not associated with a specific publications; 2) we have not yet decided on splitting the repo
- 21:27:43 [PWinstanley]
- ... and this might cause changes in e.g. document name
- 21:27:56 [RiccardoAlbertoni]
- +q to say at the moment we have one for dcat and then we might have a second thought about about using one or more errata document when the other rec are out
- 21:28:06 [Caroline]
- ack RiccardoAlbertoni
- 21:28:06 [Zakim]
- RiccardoAlbertoni, you wanted to say at the moment we have one for dcat and then we might have a second thought about about using one or more errata document when the other rec
- 21:28:09 [Zakim]
- ... are out
- 21:28:30 [annette_g]
- From the display_errata document: "Note that the workflow describes the case whereby a single repository is used for several documents. In case the Working Group follows the separate repository per document model, an errata file must be installed separately for each document."
- 21:29:01 [Caroline]
- q?
- 21:29:13 [PWinstanley]
- RiccardoAlbertoni: the agreement on the W3C method is important. we have only one document out - perhaps we need to reconsider the decision on having separate docs when we have more deliverables
- 21:29:45 [Caroline]
- q?
- 21:29:55 [RiccardoAlbertoni]
- +q
- 21:29:58 [AndreaPerego]
- regrets+ AndreaPerego
- 21:30:04 [AndreaPerego]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
- 21:30:04 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/01/21-dxwg-minutes.html AndreaPerego
- 21:30:09 [PWinstanley]
- q+
- 21:30:21 [Caroline]
- ack RiccardoAlbertoni
- 21:30:39 [RiccardoAlbertoni]
- https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1177#issuecomment-576814380
- 21:31:12 [PWinstanley]
- RiccardoAlbertoni: we need to close the issue #1177 and to help I've created a summary. Can we close in the next few days.
- 21:31:15 [Caroline]
- ack PWinstanley
- 21:31:31 [Caroline]
- Scribe: Caroline
- 21:31:35 [Makx]
- I agree RiccardoAlbertoni
- 21:32:28 [AndreaPerego]
- q+
- 21:32:48 [Caroline]
- PWinstanley: the deadline for all of this is the end of January. RiccardoAlbertoni is liasing it with Philippe. I kindly ask you to contribute quick with everything
- 21:32:48 [Caroline]
- ack AndreaPerego
- 21:32:54 [Caroline]
- Scribe: PWinstanley
- 21:33:15 [PWinstanley]
- PWinstanley: pointing out the deadline of 31 Jan for the completed DCAT doc and that RiccardoAlbertoni is leading on the delivery of the doc to PLH
- 21:33:51 [RiccardoAlbertoni]
- +q
- 21:34:07 [PWinstanley]
- AndreaPerego: I think we can close #1177 . We can point out that it is up to W3C to solve, and it shouldn't delay our progress
- 21:34:21 [alejandra]
- +q
- 21:34:21 [Caroline]
- ack RiccardoAlbertoni
- 21:35:24 [PWinstanley]
- RiccardoAlbertoni: I agree. the point is that there are 2 actions - the summary that I've written could be passed to PLH so that he can attend to the conneg that needs to be put in place at their end
- 21:35:35 [Caroline]
- ack alejandra
- 21:36:16 [RiccardoAlbertoni]
- +q
- 21:36:22 [Caroline]
- ack RiccardoAlbertoni
- 21:36:24 [PWinstanley]
- alejandra: both of these issues, errata, bibliography, and pointers to DCAT v1, probably have easy answers - can we write to him directly?
- 21:36:58 [PWinstanley]
- RiccardoAlbertoni: even after the DCAT2 publication, the errata publication/s are under our control as they are in github
- 21:37:20 [PWinstanley]
- ... but I agree that we involve PLH and ask him to take forward the implementation
- 21:37:24 [AndreaPerego]
- q+
- 21:37:29 [alejandra]
- About the errata, I agree RiccardoAlbertoni - the question is the implications on splitting the repository
- 21:37:29 [Caroline]
- ack AndreaPerego
- 21:38:25 [PWinstanley]
- AndreaPerego: we need to get this message to W3C and then to see if there is anything that we need to do
- 21:39:21 [PWinstanley]
- action: PWinstanley to write to PLH to ask about #1177 and the W3C actions/intentions
- 21:39:22 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-386 - Write to plh to ask about #1177 and the w3c actions/intentions [on Peter Winstanley - due 2020-01-28].
- 21:39:36 [PWinstanley]
- Topic: conneg
- 21:39:39 [AndreaPerego]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
- 21:39:39 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/01/21-dxwg-minutes.html AndreaPerego
- 21:39:56 [PWinstanley]
- q+
- 21:40:08 [Caroline]
- ack PWinstanley
- 21:40:17 [Caroline]
- Scribe: Caroline
- 21:40:40 [Caroline]
- PWinstanley: we have to wait for roba or nick and this is the same for profile vocab
- 21:41:15 [PWinstanley]
- Topic: DCAT v3
- 21:41:39 [PWinstanley]
- Caroline: The agenda has some questions - e.g. repo splitting
- 21:41:39 [Caroline]
- q?
- 21:41:45 [RiccardoAlbertoni]
- +q
- 21:42:16 [AndreaPerego]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
- 21:42:16 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/01/21-dxwg-minutes.html AndreaPerego
- 21:42:19 [Caroline]
- ack RiccardoAlbertoni
- 21:43:11 [PWinstanley]
- RiccardoAlbertoni: I'm concerned about the splitting the repo - we need to ensure that the issues and discussion area retained
- 21:43:21 [AndreaPerego]
- Some concern from my side.
- 21:43:44 [PWinstanley]
- s/discussion area/discussion are/
- 21:43:49 [Makx]
- Me too, keep the same repo
- 21:44:05 [Caroline]
- q?
- 21:44:17 [PWinstanley]
- I think the repo split is too late in the day and would take too long for little benefit and high risk
- 21:44:51 [Makx]
- maybe split off non-DCAT work and keep DCAT here
- 21:45:01 [PWinstanley]
- q+
- 21:45:02 [alejandra]
- +q
- 21:45:08 [annette_g]
- q+
- 21:45:15 [Caroline]
- ack PWinstanley
- 21:45:28 [Caroline]
- Scribe: Caroline
- 21:45:49 [RiccardoAlbertoni]
- +1 to PWinstanley let's wait for other opinion
- 21:45:51 [AndreaPerego]
- I agree, this is an issue that requires further discussion - and it is not so urgent, IMO. Let's have first DCAT2 out.
- 21:45:53 [Makx]
- Move this to next week?
- 21:45:55 [Caroline]
- PWinstanley: I don't think we should make decisions until other members of the group say what they think
- 21:46:01 [Caroline]
- Scribe: alejandra
- 21:46:06 [Caroline]
- Scribe: PWinstanley
- 21:46:12 [Caroline]
- ack alejandra
- 21:46:38 [PWinstanley]
- alejandra: the idea to split was mentioned by PLH, but this risks giving us problems with the issues (the core text would be OK)
- 21:46:50 [Caroline]
- ack annette_g
- 21:47:04 [PWinstanley]
- annette_g: would it still be possible to split the errata if we don't split the repos?
- 21:47:51 [PWinstanley]
- Caroline: perhaps we can discuss this by email in preparation for some decision at the next call
- 21:48:51 [PWinstanley]
- action: annette_g to write to the group to get discussion about repo splitting in preparation for a decision on 28 Jan meeting
- 21:48:51 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-387 - Write to the group to get discussion about repo splitting in preparation for a decision on 28 jan meeting [on Annette Greiner - due 2020-01-28].
- 21:48:57 [RiccardoAlbertoni]
- +q
- 21:48:57 [Caroline]
- q?
- 21:49:02 [Caroline]
- ack RiccardoAlbertoni
- 21:50:45 [PWinstanley]
- RiccardoAlbertoni: I was just thinking about how to close the DCAT 2 document - before we discuss #1177 with PLH perhaps we should change the draft that Andrea has prepared so that we are giving PLH a well-reasoned proposal..
- 21:51:09 [AndreaPerego]
- q+
- 21:51:16 [AndreaPerego]
- q-
- 21:51:18 [PWinstanley]
- ... I don't know how long W3C will take to publish after our delivery of the DCAT to them
- 21:52:18 [Caroline]
- https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/open
- 21:52:22 [AndreaPerego]
- q+
- 21:53:13 [Caroline]
- ack AndreaPerego
- 21:54:53 [Caroline]
- https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/242
- 21:57:15 [Caroline]
- Action: PWinstanley to send an email to the group about the publications deadline and W3C processes
- 21:57:15 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-388 - Send an email to the group about the publications deadline and w3c processes [on Peter Winstanley - due 2020-01-28].
- 21:57:49 [Caroline]
- q?
- 21:57:54 [PWinstanley]
- rrsagent, create minutes v2
- 21:57:54 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/01/21-dxwg-minutes.html PWinstanley
- 21:58:17 [alejandra]
- thank you, bye!
- 21:58:25 [RiccardoAlbertoni]
- Thanks you, bye !
- 21:58:25 [PWinstanley]
- rrsagent, create minutes v2
- 21:58:25 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/01/21-dxwg-minutes.html PWinstanley
- 21:58:27 [annette_g]
- welcome back, Caroline!!!
- 21:58:32 [annette_g]
- bye!
- 21:58:34 [Ana]
- thank you, bye!
- 21:58:49 [RiccardoAlbertoni]
- s/Thanks/Thank
- 21:58:49 [Caroline]
- Thank you!! :)
- 21:58:50 [Caroline]
- Have a great week!
- 22:22:01 [rhiaro]
- rhiaro has joined #dxwg