<scribe> scribe: janina
<Cyborg> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fE0OZnOGmndBEGo_EI8L8fNWsHfhv3ww6zz-v7CiBn8/edit
cyborg: Will share alt text
... Still a work in progress even in our subgroup, needs edits
length and accuracy
... Hoping to complete by Tuesday call
... some of us are working on gaps from 1.1.1
... still need to consensus on that
... also want to say something about the use of tabs
... what goes into them, how much needs finished by fpwd
... also where in the draft?
... i.e. what goes in the tab directly, vs as a link
jeanne; a method?
cyborg: more worried that it's a
link
... also still working on even where current content fits in
the new
<jeanne> Example of Methods as a link: https://w3c.github.io/silver/prototypes/PlainLanguage2/SectionHeading.html
jeanne: links seem to be the easy way for now--also accessible
cyborg: think develop and write tabs need to be worked up first
jeanne: Reason for all this
effort in the initial SC is to work out how we will
address
... if not specific to tech, goes in the tab
... if it's specific to a tech, it goes in a link
cyborg: wonders whether we need division between visiaul presentation and user design samples
jeanne: don't think we yet have enough examples -- except usability testing would go in a method because it's a test
cyborg: believe the way we've put them together in the past has been problematic
jeanne: we need more work in this
area and need good examples to say this not that
... Notes one company has 41 job titles that could fit
usability testing, which is why we haven't split to date
cyborg: agrees it's complex
jeanne: asks whether there's a schedule for what's finished and what's left to do
cyborg: start page should be
ready by Tuesday
... Remaining tabs no clarity
jeanne: Clear Words? Jan?
jan: Had a few working sessions to determine what components can be quantifiably measured
<jeanne> Clear WOrds #
jan: we have some things
separated out that way vs what would need doing editorially or
with user testing
... Also looking at some kind of tolerance level
definition
... Tolerance came highly suggested
... Rough draft still
jeanne: did work on a reading
comprehensibility test -- whether the content is understandable
test
... avoiding
<jeanne> Avoid abstract metaphor (*Usability study*)
<jeanne> Avoid inferences and sarcasm. (*Usability study*)
<jeanne> Point out the most important points and take-aways. (*usability*)
jeanne: much of this comes out of plain language work from various organizations including U.S. Government
<Fazio> US government has a published plain language standard doc
jeanne: notes there's much that can't be tested
<Fazio> bites of text lines before separated by a space (enter) is important for comprehrension
cyborg: Understand above 3 are
particularly important
... might benefit from usability studies in addition to
editorial review
... worried about false passes
jeanne: Any other reports for today?
[crickets]
jeanne: beginning to pull
together lessons learned so we can streamline the process and
bring in some more help to migrate existing SC
... recalls suggestion on file naming
cyborg: wants to be clear much work has gone into process and the docs do exist. they're disparate and divergent, but there are docs, just not coalesced
jeanne: True, but I don't have a
doc to point people to and say "follow this"
... that's what we're trying to create
<jeanne> Process #
<jeanne> Template https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Smly4XDxfzfXHa7AoUxoLXLy_3PdOXMkh0ZwtgksSPk/edit#heading=h.md08kklljtxk
jeanne: both docs are still works
in progress
... so new content ...
... file naming and correct location
... starting filename with guideline so they sort together
<jeanne> Before starting a new document, use the following link to navigate in Google drive to the folder for guideline drafts. If you need to navigate manually in Google Drive use: Silver Subgroup > Phase 4 - Silver Content > Guideline and Method Drafts
<jeanne> Share with the default sharing of the folder. This should be a default confirmation popup when you create a new file.
<jeanne> Please start all file names with the short name of the guideline (for example, Alt Text) so your documents all sort together. Then a few words to describe what makes this document unique. For example:
<jeanne> Pause Stop Scope Exploration
<jeanne> Pause Stop for Working Draft
<jeanne> Pause Stop Methods
<jeanne> Pause Stop Technical Discussion
<jeanne> Once you create a new document, please email Jeanne a link to the document.
jeanne: always begin with
shortname of guideline!
... have worked with several groups on the process now, so have
noticed something missing and some that could be streamlined to
be more efficient
david: Should our 2.2 work be cognizant of this? Is there an inter-relationship?
cyborg: percieve this as serving
two different masters
... Don't want to see the 2.x restraints imported into
silver
... probably helpful to know there will be a jump; but don't
see how making 2.2 try to fit silver as possible
... deep user reference point
df: that's my world
jeanne: lots of rearranging
... much that belongs in the xplainer had crept into user
needs
<jeanne> List group(s) of people with disabilities and the barriers they experience
<jeanne> Identify common needs and unique needs
<jeanne> List the known solutions
<jeanne> Identify known exceptions
cyborg: Would like to compare the original. Is there a link for that?
cyborg: not seeing what would
help me
... this is edited?
jeanne: yes, can go back via version history
cyborg: previous version not named so can't find where it's changed
jeanne: scroll down to june 21
cyborg: afraid much work was
deleted; want to compare
... can i restore?
jeanne: please, no, it would remove my work
<KimD> It looks like you can make a copy
shawn: easiest find the version you want to keep, select and copy into a new doc
cyborg: asks whether we might rename the new version
jeanne: i'll work with you, but
need to move on
... so point of first section is to identify some of the
subtelties not addressed in the past
... e.g. cosinder broader pwd groups needs
<jeanne> List tags for information architecture. Tags should include:
<jeanne> Tags Proposed:
<jeanne> If the guideline is being migrated, enter the WCAG SC number or numbers if there are multiple SC are being combined
<jeanne> WCAG Principle (Perceivable, Operable, Understandable or Robust)
<jeanne> Disability groups served. Use the common name or names that users of Silver would search for.
<jeanne> Functional user need from Mandate 376. You can add additional functional needs if they are missing (e.g. vestibular)
<jeanne> Meta-organization of guidelines (if applicable). This will allow us to group common guidelines together, such as all the guidelines that impact readability or media.
<jeanne> Technology or component where commonly used (e.g. video, navigation menu)
cyborg: still not a fan of m376
jeanne; noted
jeanne: It is a reality in the
EU
... I'm always trying to be mindful to avoid being US
centric
cyborg: worried some of EU could undo some progress we're making
shawn: Tagging with more than one could be useful
cyborg: Oh, more than one! Much better!
<Fazio> +1
+1 to more than one
kim: praise for the work
<jeanne> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Smly4XDxfzfXHa7AoUxoLXLy_3PdOXMkh0ZwtgksSPk/edit#
jeanne: note each section has
link to instructions
... encourages people to try it out! We need more material
in
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