IRC log of dxwg on 2019-10-22

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regrets+ KCoyle, Makx, Antoine
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chair: PWinstanley
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meeting: DXWG Plenary
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agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2019.10.22
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Topic: Admin
20:08:23 [kcoyle]
PWinstanley: any additions to agenda?
20:08:31 [PWinstanley]
https://www.w3.org/2019/10/15-dxwg-minutes
20:08:35 [kcoyle]
proposed: accept minutes of Oct 15
20:08:51 [roba]
+0
20:08:51 [ncar]
+1
20:08:52 [riccardoAlbertoni]
0 ( i was not there)
20:08:54 [DaveBrowning]
+1
20:08:57 [kcoyle]
+1
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Resolved: accept minutes of Oct 15
20:10:01 [kcoyle]
Topic: Open Actions
20:10:11 [kcoyle]
PWinstanley: look at them later, if time
20:10:21 [kcoyle]
Topic: DCAT CR
20:10:36 [kcoyle]
DaveBrowning: I've been out so I have nothing to report
20:11:10 [alejandra]
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20:11:13 [kcoyle]
Andrea: (not on IRC yet) All links on agenda.
20:11:15 [PWinstanley]
Draft implementation report: https://raw.githack.com/w3c/dxwg/andrea-perego-dcat-implementation-report/dcat-implementation-report/index.html
20:11:25 [kcoyle]
... there's a draft implementation report on github
20:11:38 [PWinstanley]
Statistics on collected implementations: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eEVUuPFAGO2GjS5ocxylY8T1AlpqlwnOTc3er_Mhcv4/edit#gid=1350045555
20:12:00 [kcoyle]
... a few things to check regarding charter; seems we only need one implementation for each feature update
20:12:13 [kcoyle]
... most new terms have one or more than one
20:12:29 [kcoyle]
... this seems to be the threshhold we need to meet
20:12:49 [kcoyle]
PWinstanley: charter says 'at least one implemention' - is that enough?
20:13:19 [kcoyle]
dsr: we'll need to defer to philippe - it's possible that the rules are different for vocabularies
20:13:25 [kcoyle]
... for software there are higher standards
20:13:51 [kcoyle]
ACTION: PWinstanley to ask PLH about number of implementations
20:13:54 [alejandra]
the question is about the implementation of a single property, right?
20:13:58 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-380 - Ask plh about number of implementations [on Peter Winstanley - due 2019-10-29].
20:14:05 [alejandra]
present+
20:14:41 [kcoyle]
PWinstanley: we have a lot of evidence in major efforts that the standard is being accepted
20:14:59 [kcoyle]
dsr: maybe we could change the wording
20:15:20 [kcoyle]
PWinstanley: Andrea's document provides a lot of evidence, and there is a lot of commitment from the community
20:16:12 [kcoyle]
andrea: we also have gathered planned implementations
20:16:38 [kcoyle]
... plus there is work to align DCAT-AP to align with DCATv2
20:17:07 [kcoyle]
... DCAT-AP is being extended at the national level for those APs
20:17:27 [kcoyle]
... so at least one or more extensions of DCAT-AP will be implemented
20:17:41 [kcoyle]
... some are waiting for DCATv2 to become a recommendation
20:18:02 [kcoyle]
... so are planned implementations counted as implementation evidence?
20:18:09 [AndreaPerego]
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present+
20:18:37 [kcoyle]
dsr: using actual implementation precedes CR finalization
20:19:07 [kcoyle]
AndreaPerego: the DCAT-APs will not be aligned until DCATv2 is finalized
20:19:58 [kcoyle]
... most changes reflect requests of the DCAT-A
20:20:22 [kcoyle]
... reflect requests that came from DCAT-AP extensions
20:21:36 [PWinstanley]
s/DCAT-A/DCAT-AP/
20:22:09 [kcoyle]
... looking at existing implements we found at least one implementation; for the 24 that are not yet implemented there is at least one planned one
20:22:14 [PWinstanley]
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20:23:09 [kcoyle]
AndreaPerego: deadline is the end of this month, right? (answer: yes)
20:23:23 [kcoyle]
... so we need to know ASAP if this is sufficient
20:23:30 [kcoyle]
PWinstanley: absolutely! on it!
20:23:36 [riccardoAlbertoni]
q+
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ack riccardoAlbertoni
20:24:38 [kcoyle]
riccardoAlbertoni: maybe we should wait for the answer from plh; could there be an extension? or does CR wait?
20:24:57 [kcoyle]
PWinstanley: you're offering some other implementations, right?
20:25:48 [kcoyle]
ncar: I have some implementations of DCAT in the Conneg work; also the CKAN extension, which will implement nearly all properties
20:26:11 [kcoyle]
... I'll send to Andrea later today
20:26:30 [AndreaPerego]
Thanks, ncar
20:26:31 [kcoyle]
PWinstanley: let's try to finish this this week, over email etc.
20:26:55 [kcoyle]
Topic: Conneg
20:26:58 [AndreaPerego]
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20:27:25 [kcoyle]
ncar: met last week and addressed action items from the track and we've closed most of them
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... may only have one left
20:27:47 [kcoyle]
... didn't substantially address issues in call last week
20:28:03 [ncar]
Conneg by P implementation: https://conneg.info/mediatypes/connegp
20:28:06 [kcoyle]
... big news item is there is one implementation of all aspects of the specification
20:28:42 [kcoyle]
... that link is to a service that shows an implementation; and collects the normative requirements (under red boxes)
20:28:48 [roba]
no substantive issues in play - processing some editorial cleanups and double checking all actions addressed.
20:28:49 [kcoyle]
... and shows how they have been implemented
20:29:20 [roba]
DCAT usage examples highlighted - wanted feedback from DCAT team this is correct
20:29:49 [kcoyle]
... moving on to a second implementation of some of the features for the CKAN plugin
20:30:03 [kcoyle]
... that gives us both DCATv2 and Conneg implementations
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... roba has another implementation for OGC
20:30:51 [kcoyle]
roba: there was one other example we wanted to include describing how DCAT references Conneg profiles
20:31:18 [ncar]
The Media Tpyes Data Service dCAT2 implementation: https://conneg.info/mediatypes?_format=text/turtle
20:31:29 [ncar]
s/Tpyes/Types/
20:31:43 [kcoyle]
... issue #1042
20:31:44 [roba]
https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1042
20:32:12 [kcoyle]
PWinstanley: next point we have to address: conneg is likely to be within this charter period will be a note
20:32:22 [kcoyle]
... and we need to complete that by the end of 2019
20:32:53 [kcoyle]
... and when we recharter it has time to be on rec track as CR
20:33:13 [kcoyle]
... need to secure it as a working group note, with all of what we've been talking about here in place
20:33:38 [kcoyle]
... so when new charter is agreed this goes easily into rec track and can move into CR smoothly
20:33:52 [kcoyle]
... this is a management issue that we need to keep in mind
20:34:01 [kcoyle]
... need a well-written note by end of charter period
20:34:15 [kcoyle]
ncar: I think that is in line which what we have been doing
20:34:41 [kcoyle]
... and helps support DCAT as well
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20:35:08 [PWinstanley]
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20:35:09 [kcoyle]
ncar: if example is wrong then that's an issue for DCAT
20:35:23 [PWinstanley]
kcoyle: to ask if anyone knows the status of the IETF document
20:35:37 [PWinstanley]
ncar: the deadline has been extended
20:35:49 [kcoyle]
ncar: has been extended - was end of 2019
20:36:02 [ncar]
the IETF ConnegP doc: https://profilenegotiation.github.io/I-D-Profile-Negotiation/I-D-Profile-Negotiation
20:36:18 [ncar]
Expires: March 13, 2020
20:36:26 [kcoyle]
ncar: Conneg and IETF are in sync
20:36:50 [kcoyle]
PWinstanley: do we have implementation on http as well as query strings?
20:36:52 [kcoyle]
ncar: yes
20:36:54 [kcoyle]
roba: yes
20:37:09 [kcoyle]
ncar: implements all four profiles
20:37:30 [kcoyle]
... nothing is required for IETF
20:37:56 [kcoyle]
roba: I need the QSA or cannot use it; so now I have implementations
20:38:04 [kcoyle]
Topic: Re-Charter
20:38:05 [AndreaPerego]
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