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19:56:29 <PWinstanley> regrets+ KCoyle, Makx, Antoine
19:56:33 <PWinstanley> chair: PWinstanley
19:56:55 <PWinstanley> meeting: DXWG Plenary
19:57:00 <PWinstanley> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2019.10.22
19:57:15 <PWinstanley> rrsagent, create minutes v2
19:57:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/10/22-dxwg-minutes.html PWinstanley
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20:01:54 <ncar> present+
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20:03:37 <PWinstanley> egrets+ annette
20:03:42 <PWinstanley> regrets+ annette
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20:06:50 <kcoyle> scribenick: kcoyle
20:07:16 <DaveBrowning> present+
20:08:00 <kcoyle> Topic: Admin
20:08:23 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: any additions to agenda?
20:08:31 <PWinstanley> https://www.w3.org/2019/10/15-dxwg-minutes
20:08:35 <kcoyle> proposed: accept minutes of Oct 15
20:08:51 <roba> +0
20:08:51 <ncar> +1
20:08:52 <riccardoAlbertoni> 0 ( i was not there)
20:08:54 <DaveBrowning> +1
20:08:57 <kcoyle> +1
20:09:35 <kcoyle> Resolved: accept minutes of Oct 15
20:10:01 <kcoyle> Topic: Open Actions
20:10:11 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: look at them later, if time
20:10:21 <kcoyle> Topic: DCAT CR
20:10:36 <kcoyle> DaveBrowning: I've been out so I have nothing to report
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20:11:13 <kcoyle> Andrea: (not on IRC yet) All links on agenda.
20:11:15 <PWinstanley> Draft implementation report: https://raw.githack.com/w3c/dxwg/andrea-perego-dcat-implementation-report/dcat-implementation-report/index.html
20:11:25 <kcoyle> ... there's a draft implementation report on github
20:11:38 <PWinstanley> Statistics on collected implementations: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eEVUuPFAGO2GjS5ocxylY8T1AlpqlwnOTc3er_Mhcv4/edit#gid=1350045555
20:12:00 <kcoyle> ... a few things to check regarding charter; seems we only need one implementation for each feature update
20:12:13 <kcoyle> ... most new terms have one or more than one
20:12:29 <kcoyle> ... this seems to be the threshhold we need to meet
20:12:49 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: charter says 'at least one implemention' - is that enough?
20:13:19 <kcoyle> dsr: we'll need to defer to philippe - it's possible that the rules are different for vocabularies
20:13:25 <kcoyle> ... for software there are higher standards
20:13:51 <kcoyle> ACTION: PWinstanley to ask PLH about number of implementations
20:13:54 <alejandra> the question is about the implementation of a single property, right?
20:13:58 <trackbot> Created ACTION-380 - Ask plh about number of implementations [on Peter Winstanley - due 2019-10-29].
20:14:05 <alejandra> present+
20:14:41 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: we have a lot of evidence in major efforts that the standard is being accepted
20:14:59 <kcoyle> dsr: maybe we could change the wording
20:15:20 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: Andrea's document provides a lot of evidence, and there is a lot of commitment from the community
20:16:12 <kcoyle> andrea: we also have gathered planned implementations
20:16:38 <kcoyle> ... plus there is work to align DCAT-AP to align with DCATv2
20:17:07 <kcoyle> ... DCAT-AP is being extended at the national level for those APs
20:17:27 <kcoyle> ... so at least one or more extensions of DCAT-AP will be implemented
20:17:41 <kcoyle> ... some are waiting for DCATv2 to become a recommendation
20:18:02 <kcoyle> ... so are planned implementations counted as implementation evidence?
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20:18:14 <AndreaPerego> present+
20:18:37 <kcoyle> dsr: using actual implementation precedes CR finalization
20:19:07 <kcoyle> AndreaPerego: the DCAT-APs will not be aligned until DCATv2 is finalized
20:19:58 <kcoyle> ... most changes reflect requests of the DCAT-A
20:20:22 <kcoyle> ... reflect requests that came from DCAT-AP extensions
20:21:36 <PWinstanley> s/DCAT-A/DCAT-AP/
20:22:09 <kcoyle> ... looking at existing implements we found at least one implementation; for the 24 that are not yet implemented there is at least one planned one
20:22:14 <PWinstanley> rrsagent, create minutes v2
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20:23:09 <kcoyle> AndreaPerego: deadline is the end of this month, right? (answer: yes)
20:23:23 <kcoyle> ... so we need to know ASAP if this is sufficient
20:23:30 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: absolutely! on it!
20:23:36 <riccardoAlbertoni> q+
20:23:47 <PWinstanley> ack riccardoAlbertoni
20:24:38 <kcoyle> riccardoAlbertoni: maybe we should wait for the answer from plh; could there be an extension? or does CR wait?
20:24:57 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: you're offering some other implementations, right?
20:25:48 <kcoyle> ncar: I have some implementations of DCAT in the Conneg work; also the CKAN extension, which will implement nearly all properties
20:26:11 <kcoyle> ... I'll send to Andrea later today
20:26:30 <AndreaPerego> Thanks, ncar
20:26:31 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: let's try to finish this this week, over email etc.
20:26:55 <kcoyle> Topic: Conneg
20:26:58 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
20:26:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/10/22-dxwg-minutes.html AndreaPerego
20:27:25 <kcoyle> ncar: met last week and addressed action items from the track and we've closed most of them
20:27:30 <kcoyle> ... may only have one left
20:27:47 <kcoyle> ... didn't substantially address issues in call last week
20:28:03 <ncar> Conneg by P implementation: https://conneg.info/mediatypes/connegp
20:28:06 <kcoyle> ... big news item is there is one implementation of all aspects of the specification
20:28:42 <kcoyle> ... that link is to a service that shows an implementation; and collects the normative requirements (under red boxes)
20:28:48 <roba> no substantive issues in play - processing some editorial cleanups and double checking all actions addressed.
20:28:49 <kcoyle> ... and shows how they have been implemented
20:29:20 <roba> DCAT usage examples highlighted - wanted feedback from DCAT team this is correct
20:29:49 <kcoyle> ... moving on to a second implementation of some of the features for the CKAN plugin
20:30:03 <kcoyle> ... that gives us both DCATv2 and Conneg implementations
20:30:17 <kcoyle> ... roba has another implementation for OGC
20:30:51 <kcoyle> roba: there was one other example we wanted to include describing how DCAT references Conneg profiles
20:31:18 <ncar> The Media Tpyes Data Service dCAT2 implementation: https://conneg.info/mediatypes?_format=text/turtle
20:31:29 <ncar> s/Tpyes/Types/
20:31:43 <kcoyle> ... issue #1042
20:31:44 <roba> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1042
20:32:12 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: next point we have to address: conneg is likely to be within this charter period will be a note
20:32:22 <kcoyle> ... and we need to complete that by the end of 2019
20:32:53 <kcoyle> ... and when we recharter it has time to be on rec track as CR
20:33:13 <kcoyle> ... need to secure it as a working group note, with all of what we've been talking about here in place
20:33:38 <kcoyle> ... so when new charter is agreed this goes easily into rec track and can move into CR smoothly
20:33:52 <kcoyle> ... this is a management issue that we need to keep in mind
20:34:01 <kcoyle> ... need a well-written note by end of charter period
20:34:15 <kcoyle> ncar: I think that is in line which what we have been doing
20:34:41 <kcoyle> ... and helps support DCAT as well
20:34:48 <kcoyle> q+
20:35:08 <PWinstanley> ack kcoyle
20:35:09 <kcoyle> ncar: if example is wrong then that's an issue for DCAT
20:35:23 <PWinstanley> kcoyle: to ask if anyone knows the status of the IETF document
20:35:37 <PWinstanley> ncar: the deadline has been extended
20:35:49 <kcoyle> ncar: has been extended - was end of 2019
20:36:02 <ncar> the IETF ConnegP doc: https://profilenegotiation.github.io/I-D-Profile-Negotiation/I-D-Profile-Negotiation
20:36:18 <ncar> Expires: March 13, 2020
20:36:26 <kcoyle> ncar: Conneg and IETF are in sync
20:36:50 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: do we have implementation on http as well as query strings?
20:36:52 <kcoyle> ncar: yes
20:36:54 <kcoyle> roba: yes
20:37:09 <kcoyle> ncar: implements all four profiles
20:37:30 <kcoyle> ... nothing is required for IETF
20:37:56 <kcoyle> roba: I need the QSA or cannot use it; so now I have implementations
20:38:04 <kcoyle> Topic: Re-Charter
20:38:05 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
20:38:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/10/22-dxwg-minutes.html AndreaPerego