point of regard: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D1AczVDgSCgCci4t3sO-QV6VKaKIEyQ6zKgm0ocnFB8/edit#
text spacing: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1efjXi8fw9uxCKygQ3JZD4PAMtSCFMaH83hX3Yae8jd4/edit#
zakim: open item 1
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1efjXi8fw9uxCKygQ3JZD4PAMtSCFMaH83hX3Yae8jd4/edit#
<shawn> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1efjXi8fw9uxCKygQ3JZD4PAMtSCFMaH83hX3Yae8jd4/edit#
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1efjXi8fw9uxCKygQ3JZD4PAMtSCFMaH83hX3Yae8jd4/edit#
js: working on user needs. Need most help here
medical defintions
shared needs
unique needs
then write the test to match the user need.
js: silver guideline template:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RcCyt9PJKUIjj341qc_ERiQrwoMUCWMP-exGXZgkzEk/edit#heading=h.f3izuau3im
... LVTF can use OUR user needs document.
... interested in testing.
... also working on systemic biases about people with
disabilities. work lots on functional needs.
as: working on color contrast.
massive interconnection with visual presentation elements.
stroke width, font size, contrast, spatial frequency (thin
fonts, letter spacing)
... soup of elements that combined determine viewability. very
difficult to look at these things in isolation.
js: no concensus on this topic
yet.
... important thing. id who need text spacing. what is
different between each group.
... eg color difficiency need different contrast, vs albinism
text spacing needs for nystagmus.
as: color blind - generally
function fine re: spacing.
... cognitive issues -- dyslexia, text spacing directly effect
contrast.
... READABILITY - acuity (legibility) vs functional readability
(need specific font size for maximal reading speed, and best
contrast for max reading speed)
... not thresholds - want maximal functioning of user.
<wayne> q
<shawn> current draft wording -- "For example, a person may be able to distinguish letters at a given point size on a vision test where they are reading only one letter at a time, but they cannot actually read blocks of text at that same point size. This is the difference between legibility and readability. Legibility is related to perceiving text by distinguishing letters. Readability is related to
<shawn> reading and comprehending textual information. Thus text could be somewhat legible to a person, yet not functionally readable—with effort that user could distinguish one letter from another, but could not effectively read sentences." https://www.w3.org/TR/low-vision-needs/#functional-vision
where to post research: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/Research - add links. create necessary pages.
wd: cultural biases. terminology
biases (diminishes the severity of the impairment)
... issues with research and statistics.
... come up with narrow finding, them people try to make
policy. seems medical languages is biased against severity of
imairment.
as: +1 wayne. working on language and concepts discussing acuity vs reading.
Show and tell -- need lots of examples to get the point across.
as: contrast sensitivity is critical.
ja: jean what is the granularity necessary for low vision groups.
js: need a couple of paragraphs in the explainer.
sh: has user needs document, very granular, and supporting documents. do other TFs have this type of information.
js: we could reference the original documents.
<shawn> spacing for reading https://www.w3.org/TR/low-vision-needs/#spacing
js: ok to copy from user needs documents. focus on common needs. pull out unique needs. add examples. then how to test
ja: user need - responsibilities - in the introduction/get started ....browser behaviors, authoring tool, and author.
js: perhaps a bulleted list. and a method for each responsibility.
jim: this will be huge
js: database driven.
sort/sift/drill down as needed.
... included videos, images, resources, etc.
... w3c formatted view will only be 1 of many views.
<laura> need to drop off.
<laura> bye
as: dyslexia - font and spacing
needs. these also effect contrast and visual function. more
space between things makes thing higher contrast.
... specify font size by x height not pt or px. x height is not
in css. line spacing should be based on x-height
wd: ability to distinguish paragraphs, lines, words.
jim: are there specific groups within low vision.
wd: spacing is individual! user
needs control
... need to define readability.
<shawn> also related is tracking
<Andy> Yes that is one of my websites
<Andy> That's my personnel "fun" site
<shawn> we have a whole section https://www.w3.org/TR/low-vision-needs/#tracking
wd: tracking is closely related spacing.
as: tracking and spacing closely
related. kerning and line height.
... user adjustability past what the author has done.
... need the ability to adjust spacing without throwing out
what the author. contrast sensitivity really need this.
... dark reader extension for chrome allows adjusting of stroke
width or font size.
... increase font size of only specific elements. User
adjustable - font metrics.
ja; many of the low vision needs are related and need to be cross referenced.
wd: typometrics - font metrics, spacing metrics.
<shawn> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/Main_Page#Meeting_Schedule
<shawn> next teleconference 7 November
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