IRC log of wot-marketing on 2019-09-30
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- 12:02:55 [kaz]
- Meeting: WoT-Marketing
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- present+
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- present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Daniel_Peintner, Dave_Raggett, Michael_McCool, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Taki_Kamiya, Tomoaki_Mizushima
- 12:10:12 [kaz]
- action: kaz to create a wiki page for WoT-Marketing TF
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- Chair: Sebastian
- 12:12:29 [sebastian]
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- 12:13:03 [dsr]
- scribenick: dsr
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- Sebastian introduces the aims of the Marketing task force
- 12:13:26 [kaz]
- q+
- 12:13:48 [dsr]
- McCool: in the short term we need to sort out organisational details
- 12:14:26 [dsr]
- e.g. to decide where the pages are and to identifiy a wiki page for this task force
- 12:14:51 [dsr]
- sebastian: yes, indeed.
- 12:15:17 [dsr]
- one thing is the web page, and the second is the wiki page
- 12:15:29 [kaz]
- q?
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- q+
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- sebastian: we need to appoint someone to take the lead for the web page
- 12:16:21 [kaz]
- s/second is the wiki page/second is the wikipedia page/
- 12:16:27 [dsr]
- McCool: the landing page for WoT should have the shortest URL
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- We should clean up out of data stuff
- 12:17:27 [dsr]
- Does the curent wikipedia page talk about the old idea for WoT?
- 12:17:40 [dsr]
- sebastian: yes, and the history stops in 2014
- 12:17:47 [dsr]
- McCool: so yes it is stale
- 12:18:38 [dsr]
- sebastian: Ege has agreed to work on the wikipedia page
- 12:19:07 [kaz]
- -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing Marketing
- 12:19:16 [dsr]
- kaz: we should first think about the logistics for this task force, e.g. I’ve already created a marketing repo on GitHub
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- ack kaz
- 12:19:40 [ryuichi]
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- McCool: we could certainly use the issue track on GitHub
- 12:20:13 [dsr]
- The internal wiki page is handy for meeting agendas
- 12:20:31 [dsr]
- What time would be good to invite Naomi?
- 12:20:50 [dsr]
- kaz: this time conflicts with the W3C comms telecon
- 12:21:14 [dsr]
- McCool: let’s make a doodle poll to set up a joint call
- 12:21:14 [kaz]
- i/we could certainly/kaz: we should consider how to work on the topics before starting the concrete discussions/
- 12:21:18 [dsr]
- kaz: yes
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- She attended the Osaka meeting and says she is happy to help us
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- McCool: let’s keep this time slot for now
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- sebastian: what help can she offer us?
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- kaz: we could ask her to act as liaison with the W3C Comms & Marketing folks
- 12:22:41 [kaz]
- q?
- 12:23:10 [dsr]
- McCool: one of the things to discuss is the plan for autogenerating IG and WG pages
- 12:23:26 [kaz]
- dsr: there are plans for automatic generation pages
- 12:23:31 [kaz]
- ... like the one of IETF
- 12:23:47 [kaz]
- ... would avoid confusion
- 12:24:11 [kaz]
- McCool: automatic generation for WG, IG, CG?
- 12:24:29 [kaz]
- ... but we still need manually build entry point page as well
- 12:24:30 [dsr]
- It would be timely for us to provide feedback to PLH for the auto generated pages and try to minimise confusion for people coming to WoT
- 12:24:53 [dsr]
- McCool: we definitely need a landing page for people new to WoT
- 12:25:32 [dsr]
- Kaz: we would still need manually generate content to describe the relationships between the IG and WG
- 12:25:42 [dape]
- q+ auto-generation is fine.. but we might need some "good" looking pages also..
- 12:25:47 [dape]
- q+ to auto-generation is fine.. but we might need some "good" looking pages also..
- 12:25:52 [dsr]
- ack dsr
- 12:26:22 [dsr]
- our landing point should point to intro pages for the IG and WG, not directly to the auto generated pages
- 12:27:06 [dsr]
- kaz: we can raise issues with the marketing staff initiative
- 12:28:19 [kaz]
- -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/ WoT Landing page
- 12:28:36 [dsr]
- dsr: we should invite someone from the team working on autogenerated pages to give us more information and answer our questions.
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- q?
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- ack dape
- 12:28:44 [Zakim]
- dape, you wanted to auto-generation is fine.. but we might need some "good" looking pages also..
- 12:28:46 [dape]
- IG page could simlpy forward to https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/
- 12:29:43 [dsr]
- dape: we should include navigation cues for where people are
- 12:29:55 [kaz]
- q?
- 12:30:14 [dsr]
- McCool: autogeneration is for consistency across groups
- 12:30:28 [dsr]
- we should focus in the short term on keeping our pages up to date
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- later on we can work on the graphics and styling
- 12:30:59 [kaz]
- q+
- 12:31:15 [dsr]
- dape: if we start from autogenerated pages we will be stuck
- 12:32:13 [dsr]
- kaz: I have been working with PLH on the auto generation of pages, but suggest that in this call we focus on what we need in the short term
- 12:32:22 [kaz]
- ack k
- 12:32:34 [dsr]
- McCool: okay, let’s start with collecting issues on GitHub
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- we have some really obvious short term actions to clean up
- 12:33:38 [kaz]
- -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/ WoT landing page
- 12:33:55 [dsr]
- dsr: the /WoT/ page is a regular HTML page that we can update
- 12:33:57 [kaz]
- q?
- 12:34:03 [kaz]
- q+ sebastian
- 12:34:33 [dsr]
- sebastian: Matthias made a proposal 2 years back, can anyone remember why it was rejected
- 12:35:06 [dsr]
- dape: it was based upon some other website, not sure why it was rejected
- 12:35:24 [kaz]
- q+
- 12:35:25 [dsr]
- sebastian: I like the shared style
- 12:35:29 [kaz]
- ack seb
- 12:35:46 [dsr]
- q+
- 12:36:15 [dsr]
- McCool: it wasn’t rejected, more it didn’t get the support needed
- 12:36:38 [dsr]
- we should re-explore that with the W3C MarCom
- 12:36:47 [kaz]
- https://www.w3.org/WoT
- 12:37:22 [dsr]
- kaz: we need to clarify our needs
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- q?
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- ack kaz
- 12:37:55 [dape]
- idea borrowed from https://w3c.github.io/web-roadmaps/media/
- 12:38:14 [dape]
- q+
- 12:38:17 [dsr]
- McCool: we need to insist a clean up to make the page simpler
- 12:38:55 [dsr]
- kaz: my point is do we want to use the design sebastian pointed to?
- 12:39:09 [dsr]
- sebastian: it is nice and clear for newcomers
- 12:39:46 [dsr]
- the design isn’t critical, it is more about being a nice overview and easy to find out more
- 12:39:54 [dsr]
- q?
- 12:40:18 [McCool]
- q?
- 12:40:53 [kaz]
- dsr: separately from the design, how to fit within W3C, how to find the information?
- 12:41:47 [dsr]
- who is the target audience and what are they looking for and what do we want to tell them
- 12:42:39 [dsr]
- McCool: we should update the landing page this week with the current design
- 12:42:56 [dsr]
- and then we should work with MarCom on the longer term plan
- 12:43:02 [kaz]
- present+ Ryuichi_Matsukura
- 12:43:37 [dape]
- https://w3c.github.io/web-roadmaps/media/
- 12:43:53 [dsr]
- Dape: the media group are also unhappy about the wordpress page model
- 12:44:36 [dsr]
- kaz: you are showing the private proposal from Francois Daoust
- 12:44:47 [dsr]
- q+
- 12:45:01 [dape]
- ack dape
- 12:45:10 [kaz]
- q+
- 12:45:30 [dsr]
- sebastian: we have to rely on the W3C to help us
- 12:46:02 [kaz]
- ack d
- 12:46:32 [kaz]
- -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/WG/ WG page
- 12:46:44 [dsr]
- dsr: I am happy to update the current pages this week if we can gather what needs to be done
- 12:47:08 [dsr]
- kaz summarises the plan
- 12:47:38 [dsr]
- McCool: let’s decide some actions
- 12:47:54 [kaz]
- i/let's/topic: Next steps/
- 12:47:56 [dsr]
- 1. let’s start a doodle poll for a joint call with MarCom
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- 2. Ege and propose content for the Wikipedia page for review by us
- 12:48:19 [kaz]
- q+
- 12:48:29 [dsr]
- 3. Dave can update the /WoT page this week for us to review
- 12:49:17 [dsr]
- The /WoT/ page when redesigned becomes out landing page
- 12:50:15 [dsr]
- McCool: the IG and WG page need links to the landing page and a brief explanation
- 12:51:37 [dsr]
- dsr: I see this task force as responsible for driving regular, topical updates
- 12:52:08 [dsr]
- McCool: the IG page should indicate it is a sub-page under the landing page
- 12:52:24 [dsr]
- kaz: we should avoid certain words, e.g. “activity”
- 12:52:52 [dsr]
- dsr: using activity in lower case may be okay
- 12:53:25 [dsr]
- kaz: we could collectively work on improved wording
- 12:54:00 [dsr]
- I strongly suggest we continue this discussion as GitHub issues
- 12:55:15 [dsr]
- dsr: I will include a link to https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing so people can find it
- 12:55:22 [kaz]
- -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing wot-marketing repo
- 12:55:33 [kaz]
- as the starting point
- 12:55:43 [kaz]
- to raise issues
- 12:55:45 [dsr]
- sebastian: we can then work on a plan for what we really want in the redesign
- 12:56:28 [dsr]
- kaz: I encourage sebastian to make an issue and link to design idea pages
- 12:58:34 [dsr]
- sebastian should have admin rights for the repo
- 12:59:01 [dsr]
- currently he doesn’t have push access
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- (now fixed)
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- rrsagent, set logs public
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- meeting: WoT Marketing Task Force
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- chair: Sebastian
- 13:01:59 [kaz]
- q?
- 13:03:17 [kaz]
- [adjourned]
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/09/30-wot-marketing-minutes.html dsr
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