<scribe> scribe: carmacleod
jamesn: AriaAttributes cannot be
nullable - 1.2 milestone
... Should extension specs be allowed to override required
owned elements with subclasses? - later in agenda
... hidden and css visibility - any volunteers? we will look at
it again next week
<Jemma_> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1054
jamesn: Output of child elements - not sure what this means?
stefan: maybe asking for parent's label announced when child has focus?
aaron: we don't change the
accessible name of a child based on whether the parent has a
label
... also, we don't tell AT what to do
<Jemma_> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1052
jamesn: heading with aria-level > 6 - mark this as 1.3 - it's not urgent
<Jemma_> https://github.com/w3c/core-aam/issues/53
jamesn: Need mappings for aria-rowindextext and aria-colindextext - 1.2
<Jemma_> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1049
jamesn: Let web developers signal their "DPAD mechanics"
joanie: doesn't seem like ARIA to me
jamesn: me neither
... When is hidden content taken into calculation of name and
description?
<Jemma_> https://github.com/w3c/core-aam/issues/53
matt: this is thorny - need to wait until Bryan is back - need to discuss and make necessary adjustments in APG
james: assigned to Bryan and added 1.2 milestone
matt: please add to agenda for October 10
jamesn: useful discussions
... will not attempt to do accessible name changes for legend,
caption roles
... too close to end of 1.2 timeline to put something this
major in
... APG discussions about code quality
matt: haven't given up on combobox, can hopefully get all combobox issues closed by 1.2
<Jemma_> matt's presentation http://a11y.pro/combobox-TPAC2019/
stefan: is combobox role going back to input
matt: issues are not resolved yet
jamesn: TPAC next year is Oct 26-30 in Vancouver Canada
jamesn: We have a PR that is ready to go?
peter: braille patterns or not,
but don't mix
... now reads "consistes of a string of NO Unicode Braille
patterns, or ALL Unicode Braille patterns
... added a note to discourage use
... I asked Sina what happens when there's a language switch -
does at provide separate translation tables? does the braille
display indicate the language change?
joanie: agree that the warning is
really important
... don't use "User Agents", use "Screen Readers" or "Assistive
Technologies"
peter: should I change it from a SHOULD?
joanie: keep the SHOULD
... screen readers have to separate out speech and
braille
... some users might want german braille and english speech
output
peter: the topic of translation tables keeps coming up - seems not standardized - do we need to open a discussion about this?
stefan: WCAG working group is
considering deprecating WCAG 4.1.1
... what effect will this have on aria
james: I don't think it will have any effect on aria because any failure of 4.1.1 is a failure of some other SC
stefan: my initial thought was
about forbidden nesting of aria roles
... maybe this is already handled by SteveF in HTML-AAM
james: the could certainly add a new SC about aria role nesting
james: stefan asked if there would be a F2F at CSUN
straw poll
<Stefan> +1
<jamesn> -1
<volker_sorge> +1
<Matt_King> 0
<CurtBellew> -1
<jongund> -1
0
<joanie> 0 - I won't be coming
<Jemma_> not sure yet
<aaronlev> -1
<Jemma_> ;-)
<pkra> +1
<pkra> (to Europe)
jamesn: considering possible F2F in Europe in March or April?
<Stefan> +1 (europe) +100 Ireland
<aaronlev> +1 for ireland
<aaronlev> :)
<CurtBellew> +1 for ireland :)
james: more towards the end of April, beginning of May, since CSUN is in March
<CurtBellew> later in May is better for me
<Jemma_> feb?
<Jemma_> ;-)
jamesn: Aaron sent an email asking for wider review
aaron: I hope they are pretty
close to being something that could be implemented.
... want to get people to look at it and try to find
problems
... want to get it into google docs and other apps
... would really appreciate feedback because I want to move
forward with this
matt: looking pretty solid, would
like clarification of aria-details
... UIA can only specify one relationship
<Jemma_> https://www.w3.org/2019/09/16-aria-minutes.html#item02
matt: was there a precedence relationship between describedby and details
<Jemma_> "In some user agents, multiple reference relationships for descriptive information are not supported by the accessibility API. In such cases, if both aria-describedby" Matt'
<Jemma_> from the minutes
jamesn: I will look through the minutes
aaron: can we write aria-details in the aria spec to have non-normative text to point to this
<pkra> gotta go. bye everyone.
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