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19:55:51 <PWinstanley> meeting: DCAT Weekly
19:56:10 <PWinstanley> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:DCAT-Telecon2019.09.25
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19:57:36 <trackbot> Meeting: Dataset Exchange Working Group Teleconference
19:57:36 <trackbot> Date: 25 September 2019
19:58:01 <DaveBrowning> meeting: DXWG DCAT subgroup teleconference 25 September 2019
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19:58:44 <DaveBrowning> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:DCAT-Telecon2019.09.25
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20:06:29 <PWinstanley> proposedd:  accept https://www.w3.org/2019/09/04-dxwgdcat-minutes
20:06:42 <PWinstanley> proposed:  accept https://www.w3.org/2019/09/04-dxwgdcat-minutes
20:06:47 <PWinstanley> +1
20:06:48 <DaveBrowning> +1
20:06:50 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:06:52 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
20:07:01 <PWinstanley> resolved:  accept https://www.w3.org/2019/09/04-dxwgdcat-minutes
20:07:15 <DaveBrowning> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:DCAT-Telecon2019.09.25
20:07:20 <PWinstanley> topic: agenda
20:07:40 <AndreaPerego> s/proposedd/topic/
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20:07:46 <PWinstanley> DaveBrowning: the basic purpose is to be able to raise the transition request .  for this everything in github needs to be tidy
20:08:04 <PWinstanley> ... we are pretty much there, but need to go through the topics
20:08:13 <AndreaPerego> +1 to agenda
20:08:27 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1 to agenda
20:08:48 <PWinstanley> +1 to agenda
20:08:57 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:09:03 <DaveBrowning> ack AndreaPerego
20:09:37 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: perhaps we can move the topics - before going to CR we need to add the link to the implementation record
20:10:49 <PWinstanley> DaveBrowning: at present we are using a google spreadsheet for collecting evidence,
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20:11:15 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: yes, and I'm working on an implementation record.  The spreadsheet is to act as a check
20:11:55 <riccardoAlbertoni> q+ to say if we can use a placeholder in the wiki i as we did in dwbp https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_Implementation_Report
20:12:04 <PWinstanley> ... implementation evidence could be a table or more, depending on time.  We might also use either a github HTML page, or use the wiki
20:12:52 <AndreaPerego> Spredsheet collecting implementation evidence: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eEVUuPFAGO2GjS5ocxylY8T1AlpqlwnOTc3er_Mhcv4/edit#gid=1108132380
20:13:55 <PWinstanley> s/Spredsheet/Spreadsheet/
20:16:24 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: implementation evidence is for the new classes and properties (excluding dcat:Resource, which is just an abstract class useful as an extension point)
20:17:14 <PWinstanley> ... for the new properties, they have been created on use cases developed from e.g. gaps in existing profiles
20:18:05 <PWinstanley> ... so these will be very likely adopted in these profiles, substituting for the fillers that are currently being used.
20:18:46 <riccardoAlbertoni> q-
20:20:25 <DaveBrowning> q+
20:20:32 <PWinstanley> plh: no need to give implementation evidence for things like dcat:Resource, and for existing v1.  add an explanatory note to the spreadsheet.  any time within the next month.  we could make a generic statement about the exclusion criteria for implementation evidence
20:20:59 <DaveBrowning> q-
20:21:07 <PWinstanley> ... you can put in wiki/github (not in google doc, because of accessibility in all countries)
20:21:16 <PWinstanley> ... I can help if needed
20:21:59 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: we can link from the spec to the companion document, which can then link to wherever the spreadsheet is.
20:23:58 <PWinstanley> plh: we need to be clear about what we are demonstrating up front.
20:24:28 <PWinstanley> DaveBrowning: the only class that we are not giving implementation evidence for is dcat:Resource
20:25:03 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1 to me
20:26:50 <PWinstanley> DaveBrowning: proposed: a companion doc on the github/wiki that has information about exclusions (dcat:Resource etc) and link to doc with the implementation evidence
20:27:14 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
20:27:20 <DaveBrowning> +1
20:27:30 <PWinstanley> +1
20:27:32 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:27:47 <PWinstanley> DaveBrowning: resolved: a companion doc on the github/wiki that has information about exclusions (dcat:Resource etc) and link to doc with the implementation evidence
20:28:03 <PWinstanley> proposed: a companion doc on the github/wiki that has information about exclusions (dcat:Resource etc) and link to doc with the implementation evidence
20:28:12 <PWinstanley> resolved: a companion doc on the github/wiki that has information about exclusions (dcat:Resource etc) and link to doc with the implementation evidence
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20:28:37 <DaveBrowning> transition request https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/wiki/DCAT:-Draft-Transition-Request-to-CR
20:28:48 <PWinstanley> topic: Transition Request
20:29:17 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: thanks to plh for recent additions.  I think that it is clear to go if we can sort out the evidence
20:29:28 <PWinstanley> plh: I'm concerned about the tallying of issues
20:29:41 <PWinstanley> ... what does it mean 'open'?
20:30:03 <PWinstanley> DaveBrowning: 77 are open for future work.  I'll confirm numbers
20:31:31 <PWinstanley> ... we have 107 closed, so we need to tidy this up, but despite over 100 being closed, there are still some that are remaining for future work.  the ambiguity will be sorted in the next few days
20:31:50 <PWinstanley> plh: ok.  what about issue #959?
20:32:09 <PWinstanley> ... this one is going to be part of the conversation
20:32:09 <plh> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/959
20:34:22 <PWinstanley> DaveBrowning: there was some sense in the discussion of softening of the DC attitude, we also thought there was a moving target, esp of backward compatibility.  We are open to the idea, but equally we are not sure that the time is right.  So it is in the dcat future work milestone
20:34:53 <PWinstanley> plh: I'll need an explicit answer from Dysan on this
20:35:38 <PWinstanley> DaveBrowning: any others?
20:36:40 <PWinstanley> ... there was feedback around geospatial; permissions and entitlements; but nothing that came back was directive.  We responded to all, but sometimes didn't get a response.
20:37:01 <PWinstanley> s/Dyson/Addison/
20:37:07 <plh> https://github.com/w3c/transitions/issues/169
20:37:11 <PWinstanley> s/Dysan/Addison/
20:37:29 <PWinstanley> plh: I've copied the TR to the correct place
20:37:54 <PWinstanley> ... the numbers are indicative
20:38:35 <PWinstanley> ... If new information arrives then just add it
20:39:39 <PWinstanley> ... questions will come on github
20:40:15 <PWinstanley> ... updates will come into that issue
20:40:23 <DaveBrowning> q?
20:41:02 <PWinstanley> ... don't be surprised if nothing gets changed in the first day or two.  it will be done in time for the publication on Thursday
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20:42:15 <PWinstanley> topic: tidy up
20:42:35 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1 to dcat ratification
20:42:50 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:43:25 <PWinstanley> DaveBrowning: Agenda 4.1 - a new milestone to be used for issues that are supporting dcat ratification.  we can include other stuff too, but this is the main content
20:43:43 <PWinstanley> ... we also have an implementation evidence milestone
20:43:56 <PWinstanley> ... comments?
20:43:56 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:43:56 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
20:44:03 <DaveBrowning> ack AndreaPerego
20:44:29 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: happy with this, just reiterating about the implementation evidence milestone
20:44:44 <DaveBrowning> ack riccardoAlbertoni
20:45:54 <PWinstanley> riccardoAlbertoni: this ratification is collecting stuff to be completed within the month - things like translation etc.  Another issue is from splitting the ttl file and one axiom was deleted and this brings problems when loading in protege.
20:47:07 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:47:25 <DaveBrowning> ack AndreaPerego
20:47:59 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: the ratification is implementation, editorial, etc?
20:48:16 <PWinstanley> DaveBrowning: I thought the implementation evidence milestone was fine - leave as is
20:48:29 <PWinstanley> q+
20:48:59 <DaveBrowning> ack PWinstanley
20:49:01 <PWinstanley> DaveBrowning: this is to support ratification
20:49:32 <AndreaPerego> scribenick: AndreaPerego
20:50:28 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: Last week we started using the future work tag
20:50:58 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1 tp  keep both
20:51:26 <AndreaPerego> ... This, along the use of the future work milestone, helps people understand that.
20:51:34 <AndreaPerego> +1 from me
20:51:34 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
20:51:45 <DaveBrowning> ack ric
20:52:16 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni: +1 from me. I would keep both the tag and the milestone, as the milestone allows people have the list of issues.
20:53:45 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: PLH also said not to have issues marked as critical, as people will wonder what this would actually mean.
20:54:34 <DaveBrowning> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+sort%3Aupdated-desc+label%3Adcat+no%3Amilestone+-label%3A%22due+for+closing%22+-label%3Afuture-work+-label%3Aucr
20:54:56 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: Coming to the other two items in the agenda
20:55:16 <riccardoAlbertoni> q+
20:55:37 <AndreaPerego> ... https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/430 and https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/393 may need some attention.
20:56:13 <AndreaPerego> ... Probably the should be under PROF, and not DCAT.
20:56:20 <DaveBrowning> ack ric
20:56:25 <DaveBrowning> ack riccardoAlbertoni
20:57:12 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni: #430 can be moved elsewhere (possibly to future work), whereas #393 is not about DCAT.
20:57:14 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:57:28 <DaveBrowning> ack AndreaPerego
20:58:45 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1 to andrea  #430 is out of the dcat radar.. can we drop the dcat label ?
20:59:27 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: Not sure we can drop the dcat label, as dcat is in the title.
21:00:04 <AndreaPerego> ... But indeed the question about conformance and DCAT profiles is something going beyond the scope of DCAT.
21:01:26 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni: Probably the easiest thing is to put it under future work.
21:01:27 <AndreaPerego> +1
21:02:56 <riccardoAlbertoni> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+milestone%3A"DCAT+CR"+-label%3A"due+for+closing"
21:03:14 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: Coming now to the next item, this is about unresolved issues in the DCAT CR milestone.
21:03:58 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni: #969 should be under the ratification milestone.
21:05:54 <riccardoAlbertoni> q+
21:06:57 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1 to me
21:07:11 <riccardoAlbertoni> s\+1 to me\+1 from me
21:07:14 <DaveBrowning> ack riccardoAlbertoni
21:08:11 <AndreaPerego> AndreaPerego: To solve https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1065 , only editorial changes are needed, IMO.  So, it may go under the ratification milestone.
21:09:06 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni: I agree.
21:09:48 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: I also agree this is just editorial.
21:11:29 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni: Should we add the future work tag also to the ratification milestone?
21:11:38 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: I would not use it.
21:12:11 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: The next is https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/763
21:13:19 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1 to put it on future work
21:13:43 <AndreaPerego> AndreaPerego: This is not only editorial, as it is about provide guidance on the use of semantically overlapping properties, so I would move it to future work.
21:14:26 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: I agree we can move it to future work.
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21:15:35 <DaveBrowning> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1089
21:15:58 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: About this one is going to be closed in the next days.
21:17:16 <DaveBrowning> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/144
21:17:32 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: This was very old.
21:17:52 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
21:18:00 <DaveBrowning> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/144
21:18:04 <DaveBrowning> ack ric
21:18:11 <DaveBrowning> ack ric
21:18:29 <DaveBrowning> https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/dcat/#RDF-representation
21:19:12 <riccardoAlbertoni> q+
21:19:30 <DaveBrowning> ack riccardoAlbertoni
21:19:58 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: This section is also talking about DCAT profiles.
21:20:21 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni: Maybe we can drop the profiles line, or point to the old version of DCAT.
21:21:05 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: I tend to agree. We intended to do that, but we eventually didn't.
21:21:06 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:21:17 <DaveBrowning> ack AndreaPerego
21:27:23 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
21:27:34 <DaveBrowning> ack riccardoAlbertoni
21:30:11 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni: The other option is just to say in point 3 that the folder includes the 2014 version of DCAT, and we actually need to add the file.
21:30:21 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: I agree.
21:30:22 <AndreaPerego> +1
21:31:08 <AndreaPerego> action: riccardoAlbertoni to revise point 3 of section RDF representation, and add the DCAT 2014 ttl file
21:31:09 <trackbot> Created ACTION-378 - Revise point 3 of section rdf representation, and add the dcat 2014 ttl file [on Riccardo Albertoni - due 2019-10-02].
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21:32:14 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:32:46 <DaveBrowning> ack AndreaPerego
21:32:58 <riccardoAlbertoni> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+sort%3Aupdated-desc+label%3Adcat+no%3Amilestone+-label%3A"due+for+closing"+-label%3Afuture-work+-label%3Aucr
21:33:04 <AndreaPerego> AndreaPerego: About the last 2 issue there
21:33:29 <AndreaPerego> ... what we do?
21:33:37 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
21:34:14 <DaveBrowning> ack riccardoAlbertoni
21:34:14 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: I asked Stephen if the issue is closed.
21:34:38 <AndreaPerego> AndreaPerego: But since is about the RDF representation, maybe we can put it into the ratification milestone.
21:34:38 <PWinstanley> q+
21:35:00 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:35:20 <DaveBrowning> ack PWinstanley
21:35:33 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: My feeling this is a problem for the software tool, so it should not impact DCAT.
21:35:33 <PWinstanley> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Adcat
21:36:37 <AndreaPerego> PWinstanley: Switching to the i18n comments, there are still some open issues, and an option is to join the i18n meeting.
21:37:12 <AndreaPerego> ... I'll go back to PLH and tell him that we responded to those issues.
21:37:48 <DaveBrowning> ack AndreaPerego
21:40:12 <DaveBrowning> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/175
21:40:42 <AndreaPerego> AndreaPerego: I would move it not to the ratification milestone, and then we have time to sort it out.
21:40:50 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: The other one https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/175
21:41:21 <AndreaPerego> ... This is about a bug in DCAT 2014.
21:41:48 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni: I'm not sure we should be concerned with publishing errata for DCAT 2014 as we are publishing the new version.
21:42:41 <AndreaPerego> AndreaPerego: We can move it to the future work milestone, as it is not affecting at all the new version of DCAT.
21:42:54 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni: +1 from me.
21:45:14 <AndreaPerego> AndreaPerego: About https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/393 probably we can close it, as we don't have in DCAT any alignment with PROF.
21:45:46 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni: About https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/430 , I think we decided to move it to future work.
21:47:06 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: Done #430. I'll update #430 accordingly and close it.
21:47:16 <AndreaPerego> [meeting adjourned]
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21:48:53 <AndreaPerego> s/430/393/
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21:50:02 <AndreaPerego> s/Done #393. I'll update #430 accordingly and close it./Done #430. I'll update #393 accordingly and close it./
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