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19:42:50 <PWinstanley> chair: PWinstanley
19:43:32 <PWinstanley> regrets+ Alejandra
19:43:40 <PWinstanley> meeting: DXWG Plenary
19:43:56 <PWinstanley> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2019.09.24
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20:05:37 <PWinstanley> https://www.w3.org/2019/09/17-dxwg-minutes
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20:06:07 <dsr> PWinstanley: asks for approval of last minutes
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20:08:39 <dsr> Resolved: minutes of 17th September are approved
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20:08:53 <PWinstanley> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/99375/DCAT_to_CR/results
20:09:06 <dsr> Topic: Ratification of Poll results for DCAT to CR
20:09:27 <PWinstanley> +1
20:09:27 <DaveBrowning> +1
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20:09:33 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:09:37 <kcoyle> +1
20:09:38 <ncar> +1
20:09:40 <annette_g> +1
20:09:41 <dsr> PWinstanley: does everyone agree that we move DCAT to CR, everyone vote please
20:09:55 <antoine> +1
20:10:56 <AndreaPerego> resolved: poll results for DCAT to CR ratified
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20:11:42 <dsr> PLH: we need to send the transition request by this Thursday …
20:11:49 <DaveBrowning> Link  - https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/wiki/DCAT:-Draft-Transition-Request-to-CR
20:12:10 <dsr> DaveBrowning: see link for a draft request
20:12:22 <dsr> I have a couple of questions we can deal with right now
20:13:23 <dsr> The request needs to point to an implementation report, so that the URL is defined
20:13:42 <dsr> it could be empty at this stage …
20:14:27 <dsr> PLH: I heard that not all of the use case requirements are met by this version of DCAT
20:14:55 <dsr> DaveBrowning: We have a little bit of tidying up to do, but are almost finished
20:15:15 <dsr> PLH: on the transition request, I suggest a couple of changes
20:15:56 <dsr> People will want to know the changes since the last published Working Draft
20:16:08 <dsr> I’ve made such tweaks, e.g. marking what features are at risk
20:17:06 <dsr> We need to clarify which features are future priorities
20:17:51 <dsr> PLH: as long as this is finished by Friday, it should be good.  I plan to sit down with Ralph Swick then to review the transition request
20:18:45 <dsr> Some discussion about a DXWG review meeting …
20:19:08 <dsr> PWinstanley: does anyone else have any questions?
20:19:26 <dsr> I want to give a big congratulations to the DCAT subgroup for getting this far
20:19:35 <dsr> Topic: Conneg
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20:19:45 <PWinstanley>  https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/99375/CONNEG_to_CR/results
20:19:59 <dsr> PWinstanley: we still have a poll running until midnight Boston time tonight
20:20:07 <ncar> q+
20:20:27 <PWinstanley> ack ncar
20:20:45 <dsr> PWinstanley:  thanks the editors, and notes that we now need to find a way to put this work into safe moorings
20:21:17 <dsr> ncar: The github branch has addressed some editorial matters
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20:21:58 <dsr> The single vote to not go to CR - a couple of issues were raised, I am in touch with the respondent to understand better
20:22:47 <dsr> One of the issues raised is that the use of tokens is undermotivated
20:23:27 <dsr> PWinstanley: are there areas that need to be marked as at risk for CR?
20:23:42 <dsr> ncar: I am going to say no to that
20:24:23 <dsr> some discussion around query strings
20:24:55 <RubenVerborgh> q+ to discuss partitioning
20:25:03 <dsr> PWinstanley: there seems to be some differences between the different proposals being brought forward
20:25:56 <dsr> ncar: a lot of people understand the HTTP details, but not in query strings …
20:25:58 <antoine> q+
20:26:00 <PWinstanley> ack RubenVerborgh
20:26:00 <Zakim> RubenVerborgh, you wanted to discuss partitioning
20:26:36 <dsr> RubenVerborgh: on the IETF perspective, we have a mechanism of content negotiation by profile
20:26:46 <dsr> I am not a big fan of tokens
20:27:27 <dsr> With hindsight, perhaps the requirements were too prescriptive
20:27:53 <PWinstanley> ack antoine
20:28:04 <dsr> If no one is going to use query strings or tokens, we won’t have a problem
20:29:00 <dsr> PWinstanley: can I ask PLH to outline our options?
20:29:13 <dsr> PLH: either you move it to CR or you don’t
20:29:36 <dsr> My initial impression is that it is a little shaky
20:29:57 <dsr> There is a high chance that the Director might not approve the transition to CR
20:29:59 <annette_g> note that the poll is not closed yet either
20:31:11 <dsr> PWinstanley: if the group is minded to move it to CR, we will need a transition request by this coming Thursday
20:31:16 <ncar> Conneg draft CR report: https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/wiki/Conneg:-Draft-Transition-Request-to-CR
20:31:23 <dsr> any other questions?
20:31:48 <dsr> PWinstanley invites people to review the draft transition request
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20:32:08 <ncar> branche with improved definitions: https://raw.githack.com/w3c/dxwg/conneg-data-profile/conneg-by-ap/index.html
20:32:42 <PWinstanley>  https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/99375/CONNEG_to_CR/results
20:32:47 <dsr> PWinstanley: what do people think we should be doing, noting that there are several hours yet for the poll to finish
20:33:21 <dsr> Is it the case that further discussion is needed to clarify matters?
20:34:23 <dsr> PLH: I will need a story on the breadth of review for the Director
20:34:31 <ncar> q?
20:34:34 <ncar> q+
20:35:11 <dsr> PWinstanley: a prudent suggestion would be to publish the spec as a WG Note
20:35:28 <dsr> We would need to keep the WG open to maintain the work items
20:35:56 <dsr> Could we bring the spec to CR at a later stage?
20:36:04 <dsr> PLH: it would need to be part of the next Charter
20:36:25 <dsr> The maintenance bit would be pretty straightforward
20:36:46 <dsr> I can show you what I am doing in that respect with the verifiable claims WG
20:37:04 <PWinstanley> ack ncar
20:37:34 <dsr> ncar: can I just clarify, that we need to present a story of engagement in respect to wide review
20:38:03 <dsr> We have reached out and had feedback, so do we just need to document how the review was handled?
20:38:22 <dsr> PLH: yes, look at how DCAT has addressed this
20:39:54 <dsr> In the last 5 mins we’ve had feedback from the person who voted against moving to CR, and we have a way to address this in terms of outstanding issues, which mostly fall into the category of features at risk
20:40:16 <dsr> PLH: you will indeed need to mark which features are at risk
20:40:17 <annette_g> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Aprofile-negotiation
20:40:37 <dsr> PLH: I see that Karen provided some feedback on Section 7
20:40:51 <dsr> PWinstanley: any other input to this discussion?
20:41:08 <dsr> [no]
20:41:52 <dsr> what is the group’s risk appetite?
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20:42:52 <dsr> If the subgroup have address the outstanding work needed to submit a transition request this Thursday, are we going to support that?
20:43:04 <annette_g> q+
20:43:10 <PWinstanley> acn annette_g
20:43:15 <dsr> … recognising that the work will move to a WG Note if the transition is rejected
20:43:46 <dsr> annette_g: for me it is more a question of whether the spec is good enough
20:43:50 <kcoyle> q+
20:43:58 <dsr> ack annette_g
20:43:59 <PWinstanley> ack kcoyle
20:44:35 <dsr> kcoyle: there are comments from people who voted yes, and we should review those too
20:45:02 <dsr> There is a sense that the spec isn’t quite cooked yes
20:45:18 <dsr> my question to PLH is whether a REC needs to be fully polished?
20:45:56 <dsr> PLH: if the changes needed are more than editorial then you shouldn’t move it forward to CR
20:46:04 <dsr> PWinstanley: does anyone who voted yes want to talk about their feedback?
20:46:59 <dsr> kcoyle: one of the reasons why I abstained is that there is quite a bit of discussion going on, the editors need to tie those issues up
20:47:53 <dsr> PWinstanley asks kcoyle whether she thinks a WG Note is more appropriate than a CR?
20:48:18 <dsr> kcoyle: it would be really shame for this not to proposed for transition to CR?
20:48:41 <dsr> it would have been better if some of these issues had been dealt with a month ago
20:49:22 <dsr> It may be a matter of showing that the issues have been resolved
20:49:43 <dsr> PWinstanley: this needs to be done in transparent way, especially given the time pressure
20:50:41 <dsr> kcoyle: with a clear wrapping up of the issues, some people may change their vote
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20:51:52 <dsr> we should extend the poll for another 24 hours, and well before then the editors ought to review any open issues and announce their resolutions so that people have the chance to change their votes
20:52:09 <antoine> +1 for extending the poll
20:52:30 <dsr> PWinstanley: asks PLH if it is possible to extend this poll?
20:52:42 <dsr> PLH: yes, but don’t quote me on this :-)
20:53:20 <annette_g> q+
20:53:25 <PWinstanley> ack annette_g
20:53:30 <dsr> PWinstanley: Proposed: we extend the poll for a day
20:53:59 <dsr> annette_g: what would be the best way for people to respond, given the multiple channels we have right now
20:54:21 <dsr> kcoyle: are you talking in general or about a specific github issue?
20:54:33 <dsr> annette_g talks about some email threads
20:54:55 <dsr> kcoyle: it is up to the editors to gather up the loose ends
20:55:23 <dsr> they need to show evidence that the loose ends have been addressed
20:56:10 <dsr> Proposal: we extend the conneg poll by 24 hours
20:56:14 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
20:56:15 <PWinstanley> +1
20:56:16 <kcoyle> +1
20:56:18 <antoine> +1
20:56:19 <dsr> PWinstanley: please vote
20:56:21 <LarsG> +1
20:56:23 <annette_g> +1
20:56:32 <ncar> +1
20:56:56 <RubenVerborgh> +1
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20:57:16 <dsr> Resolved: we will extend the conneg poll by 24 hours
20:58:14 <dsr> Proposal: a clear evidence trail must be prepared by the conneg editors to show satisfactory resolution of the key issues raised in the poll
20:58:19 <PWinstanley> +1
20:58:21 <antoine> +1
20:58:24 <ncar> +1
20:58:25 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
20:58:28 <LarsG> +1
20:58:29 <kcoyle> action: PWinstanley extend poll 24 hours
20:58:29 <trackbot> Created ACTION-377 - Extend poll 24 hours [on Peter Winstanley - due 2019-10-01].
20:58:31 <annette_g> +1
20:58:32 <kcoyle> +1
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20:59:22 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:59:35 <dsr> Resolved: a clear evidence trail must be prepared by the conneg editors to show satisfactory resolution of the key issues raised in the poll
20:59:58 <dsr> PWinstanley: anything else to discuss?
21:00:21 <dsr> My thanks to everyone for their contributions
21:00:25 <kcoyle> we didn't get to issues to close - can we carry those over?
21:00:52 <LarsG> good night, all
21:00:52 <AndreaPerego> Thanks, bye bye
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