IRC log of auto on 2019-09-24
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- Meeting: Automotive Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 24 September 2019
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- Scribe: Ted
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- Chair: Peter
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- Agenda+ WG meeting schedule
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- agenda+ Open source project to promote VSS data model
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- agenda+ Gen2 editors
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- agenda+ VSS status
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- agenda+ Gen2 reference implementation update
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- agenda+ VSSo status and location
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- Present+ Ted
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- Present+ Glenn, Ulf, Peter
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- Present+ Don
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- Regrets+ Adnan
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- Present+ Gunnar
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- Present+ Harjot
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- agendum 1. "WG meeting schedule" taken up [from ted]
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- Peter: this is 2pm PST and 11pm CEST and might be better earlier in the day
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- … for the west coast, 9am onward start is reasonable
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- Glenn: that would be noon for us on east coast and 6pm for Europe
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- Peter: obviously not enough to decide
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- Ted: I can start a doodle and propose the different times, starting as early as 8 or 9am PST?
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- Peter: it cuts into when people tend to head home
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- Ulf: yes but that would be much better than at present, even an hour earlier (10pm CEST) would be better
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- Gunnar: depending on the day, I might not be able to do five
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- Ted: sounds like 5 optimal hours and question of which day. suggest we avoid Mondays due to holidays and Fridays as it may interfere with European weekend plans
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- Peter: we'll see what people think and aim for a single time instead of alternating
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- agendum 2. "Open source project to promote VSS data model" taken up [from ted]
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- https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ACoHvQZQTgJF41gIvM48RfoG695O58AUjdvGATGBB6k/edit -> Project writeup
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- Peter: this aligns well with Joakim's work in Graph
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- Glenn: if we narrow the use cases, that would make it easier to remap sample data
- 21:17:48 [ted]
- … I would prefer those aimed for the public good, for instance harsh braking with location for mapping hazardous intersections
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- … we can also use ABS brakes for evaluating road conditions
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- Peter: that is more tangible with clear use cases like this, doesn't have to be many just a couple
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- Glenn: agree, most minimum viable project
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- Ulf: those are good proposals, we could perhaps come up with a few more. I'm reminded of some of our colleague Amir's recent presentations
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- … micro-weather was very interesting
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- … predictive maintenance such as based on cranking voltage another
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- … we can figure out what signals to bring from stakeholders
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- Peter: having use cases can help
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- Glenn: agree it is useful to include use cases on the document and then we can go to our design engineers and see which are more readily feasible
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- Ted: when the document settles I'll move it to a wiki, @@sample, @@
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- agendum 3. "Gen2 editors" taken up [from ted]
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- Peter: I guess we have Ulf who expressed interest in continuing as an editor but from Geotab instead of Volvo
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- … PatrickB isn't on the call
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- Present+ Daniel
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- Ted: I will be speaking with Colin Lee from JLR tomorrow@@
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- Daniel: expect Adnan, I or someone else from BMW to as well
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- Ted: I expect PatrickL to kick in when his schedule settles and to pull in pieces from ViWi protocol such as Registry so we can move more quickly than we have been
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- zakim, next agendum
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- agendum 4. "VSS status" taken up [from ted]
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- Peter: I noticed we have an outstanding pull request and wondering what the timeline is and how we should work with it
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- Daniel: much of our energy has gone into discussions around taxonomy, updating documentation etc
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- … Benjamin finished his thesis and Adnan is taking over, we will settle and get back to it
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- Ted: CharIN, IEC@@ on EV
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- … ADAS, diagnostics
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- Daniel: yes, I want to get others to jump in
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- … the spec files aren't that legible and we probably want to leverage some open source tools for representing the tree
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- Gunnar: for visualizing the tree and...?
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- Daniel: yes and to be able to zoom in on certain branches, I am hearing this from my colleagues as well starting to look at this
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- Gunnar: yes, that would be helpful for clarifying - we can also use plantUML but that only gives the tree structure
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- Ted: if we publish a JSON view from tree spec there are tools
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- agendum 5. "Gen2 reference implementation update" taken up [from ted]
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- Peter: Mitsubishi and Volvo started this Gen2 implementation and hopefully Ulf will continue from Geotab
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- … this ties into the Graph project
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- Ted: yes and at the f2f @@use cases sockets
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- Ulf: at a later stage, yes tie together
- 21:42:20 [ted]
- … worth mentioning the latest step we are talking about, building this implementation onto a server that can be remotely accessed
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- … bootstrap install is rather involved whereas an instance running somewhere then people can play with it more readily
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- Gunnar suggests https://jsonviewer.stack.hu or https://jsonviewer.stack/
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- Ulf: people can then start playing with client apps and we can have a few simple example ones available
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- … should only take a week or two
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- Peter: do we have a place we can deploy it?
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- Ulf: Ted thought it might be possible at W3C
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- Peter: maybe a docker image would be useful too
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- Ted: yes, I know the policy for WG 'labs' as will send an email on details, if you are inclined to contribute to debugging, administration etc send me your ssh key
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- https://cytoscape.org/
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- Ted: I have pet peeves about Docker unless we are willing to commit to being diligent maintainers wrt security updates etc
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- zakim, next agendum
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- agendum 6. "VSSo status and location" taken up [from ted]
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- Gunnar: I would prefer to work on github infrastructure to include Travis or some other continuous integration
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- Ulf: I will talk to you about it
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/09/24-auto-minutes.html ted
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- Peter: there is increased interest in VSSo and wonder where that will end up? is that in W3C WoT?
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- … there is considerable interest about it within Volvo
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- Ted: Raphael@@ ws...
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- Daniel: Benjamin was the main editor, please involve me in the discussion with him and Raphael
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- @@mark fox, process
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- Ted: I will take the action...
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- Peter: any other business?
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- http://automotive.eurecom.fr/vsso
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/09/24-auto-minutes.html ted
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- [adjourned]
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