IRC log of auto on 2019-09-24

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Meeting: Automotive Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 24 September 2019
20:53:47 [ted]
scribenick: ted
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Scribe: Ted
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Chair: Peter
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Agenda+ WG meeting schedule
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agenda+ Open source project to promote VSS data model
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agenda+ Gen2 editors
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agenda+ VSS status
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agenda+ Gen2 reference implementation update
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agenda+ VSSo status and location
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Present+ Ted
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Present+ Glenn, Ulf, Peter
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Present+ Don
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Regrets+ Adnan
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Present+ Gunnar
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Present+ Harjot
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zakim, next agendum
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agendum 1. "WG meeting schedule" taken up [from ted]
21:06:25 [ted]
Peter: this is 2pm PST and 11pm CEST and might be better earlier in the day
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… for the west coast, 9am onward start is reasonable
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Glenn: that would be noon for us on east coast and 6pm for Europe
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Peter: obviously not enough to decide
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21:10:05 [ted]
Ted: I can start a doodle and propose the different times, starting as early as 8 or 9am PST?
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Peter: it cuts into when people tend to head home
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Ulf: yes but that would be much better than at present, even an hour earlier (10pm CEST) would be better
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Gunnar: depending on the day, I might not be able to do five
21:13:09 [ted]
Ted: sounds like 5 optimal hours and question of which day. suggest we avoid Mondays due to holidays and Fridays as it may interfere with European weekend plans
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Peter: we'll see what people think and aim for a single time instead of alternating
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zakim, next agendum
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agendum 2. "Open source project to promote VSS data model" taken up [from ted]
21:14:19 [ted]
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ACoHvQZQTgJF41gIvM48RfoG695O58AUjdvGATGBB6k/edit -> Project writeup
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Peter: this aligns well with Joakim's work in Graph
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Glenn: if we narrow the use cases, that would make it easier to remap sample data
21:17:48 [ted]
… I would prefer those aimed for the public good, for instance harsh braking with location for mapping hazardous intersections
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… we can also use ABS brakes for evaluating road conditions
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Peter: that is more tangible with clear use cases like this, doesn't have to be many just a couple
21:18:54 [ted]
Glenn: agree, most minimum viable project
21:19:32 [ted]
Ulf: those are good proposals, we could perhaps come up with a few more. I'm reminded of some of our colleague Amir's recent presentations
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… micro-weather was very interesting
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… predictive maintenance such as based on cranking voltage another
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… we can figure out what signals to bring from stakeholders
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Peter: having use cases can help
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Glenn: agree it is useful to include use cases on the document and then we can go to our design engineers and see which are more readily feasible
21:24:45 [ted]
Ted: when the document settles I'll move it to a wiki, @@sample, @@
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zakim, next agendum
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agendum 3. "Gen2 editors" taken up [from ted]
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Peter: I guess we have Ulf who expressed interest in continuing as an editor but from Geotab instead of Volvo
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… PatrickB isn't on the call
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Present+ Daniel
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Ted: I will be speaking with Colin Lee from JLR tomorrow@@
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Daniel: expect Adnan, I or someone else from BMW to as well
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Ted: I expect PatrickL to kick in when his schedule settles and to pull in pieces from ViWi protocol such as Registry so we can move more quickly than we have been
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zakim, next agendum
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agendum 4. "VSS status" taken up [from ted]
21:29:56 [ted]
Peter: I noticed we have an outstanding pull request and wondering what the timeline is and how we should work with it
21:30:21 [ted]
Daniel: much of our energy has gone into discussions around taxonomy, updating documentation etc
21:30:39 [ted]
… Benjamin finished his thesis and Adnan is taking over, we will settle and get back to it
21:32:49 [ted]
Ted: CharIN, IEC@@ on EV
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… ADAS, diagnostics
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Daniel: yes, I want to get others to jump in
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… the spec files aren't that legible and we probably want to leverage some open source tools for representing the tree
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Gunnar: for visualizing the tree and...?
21:34:28 [ted]
Daniel: yes and to be able to zoom in on certain branches, I am hearing this from my colleagues as well starting to look at this
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Gunnar: yes, that would be helpful for clarifying - we can also use plantUML but that only gives the tree structure
21:35:27 [ted]
Ted: if we publish a JSON view from tree spec there are tools
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zakim, next agendum
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agendum 5. "Gen2 reference implementation update" taken up [from ted]
21:39:29 [ted]
Peter: Mitsubishi and Volvo started this Gen2 implementation and hopefully Ulf will continue from Geotab
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… this ties into the Graph project
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Ted: yes and at the f2f @@use cases sockets
21:41:52 [ted]
Ulf: at a later stage, yes tie together
21:42:20 [ted]
… worth mentioning the latest step we are talking about, building this implementation onto a server that can be remotely accessed
21:42:48 [ted]
… bootstrap install is rather involved whereas an instance running somewhere then people can play with it more readily
21:43:04 [ted]
Gunnar suggests https://jsonviewer.stack.hu or https://jsonviewer.stack/
21:43:37 [ted]
Ulf: people can then start playing with client apps and we can have a few simple example ones available
21:43:42 [ted]
… should only take a week or two
21:43:51 [ted]
Peter: do we have a place we can deploy it?
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Ulf: Ted thought it might be possible at W3C
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Peter: maybe a docker image would be useful too
21:47:01 [ted]
Ted: yes, I know the policy for WG 'labs' as will send an email on details, if you are inclined to contribute to debugging, administration etc send me your ssh key
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https://cytoscape.org/
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Ted: I have pet peeves about Docker unless we are willing to commit to being diligent maintainers wrt security updates etc
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zakim, next agendum
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agendum 6. "VSSo status and location" taken up [from ted]
21:51:47 [ted]
Gunnar: I would prefer to work on github infrastructure to include Travis or some other continuous integration
21:52:03 [ted]
Ulf: I will talk to you about it
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/09/24-auto-minutes.html ted
21:53:14 [ted]
Peter: there is increased interest in VSSo and wonder where that will end up? is that in W3C WoT?
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… there is considerable interest about it within Volvo
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Ted: Raphael@@ ws...
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Daniel: Benjamin was the main editor, please involve me in the discussion with him and Raphael
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@@mark fox, process
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Ted: I will take the action...
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Peter: any other business?
21:57:20 [ted]
http://automotive.eurecom.fr/vsso
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/09/24-auto-minutes.html ted
21:58:26 [ted]
[adjourned]
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