IRC log of wcag-act on 2019-09-19
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- Meeting: Accessibility Conformance Testing Teleconference
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- Date: 19 September 2019
- 13:03:39 [maryjom]
- chair: Mary_Jo_Mueller
- 13:04:26 [maryjom]
- agenda+ What format should rules be proposed (HTML, doc, markdown, other?)
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- agenda+ How should proposals be submitted? (pull request, email, other?)
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- agenda+ How do you attach assets (video, pdf, other files)
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- agenda+ Should we have a template for submission?
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- agenda+ Go over "Page has a title" rule review survey results
- 13:05:52 [shadi]
- scribe: shadi
- 13:05:53 [trevor]
- present+
- 13:05:57 [maryjom]
- present+
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- present+
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- present+
- 13:06:31 [shadi]
- zakim, take up agendum 1
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- agendum 1. "What format should rules be proposed (HTML, doc, markdown, other?)" taken up [from maryjom]
- 13:06:51 [shadi]
- MJM: community group uses markdown
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- ...but potentially barrier to others?
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- present+ Jie
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- present+ Joe
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- ...EOWG uses a form to make it easier
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- ...that involves programming
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- KE: like the idea of providing a template
- 13:09:08 [shadi]
- ...not sure it needs to be a form but that would be easier
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- TB: is markdown a barrier because of the syntax or for validation issues?
- 13:10:15 [shadi]
- MJM: syntax mostly
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- KE: think many people are intimidated by GitHub
- 13:13:24 [shadi]
- SAZ: strongly recommend to reuse the same markdown as the CG, as the basis
- 13:13:42 [shadi]
- ...(1) it has been tested and a lot of thought went into it
- 13:14:05 [shadi]
- ...(2) the CG is probably the primary group to contribute rules at the start
- 13:14:36 [shadi]
- ...(3) we may be able to reuse scripts and functionality from the CG
- 13:15:32 [shadi]
- ...may be able to reuse the script from EOWG to have a form that translates entries into that markdown for those not comfortable with markdown
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- MJM: yes, script created markdown as an issue in GitHub
- 13:16:25 [shadi]
- SAZ: can get in touch with Eric on that script
- 13:18:00 [shadi]
- KE: doc is difficult?
- 13:18:29 [shadi]
- SAZ: would need someone to translate that into markdown, HTML, or such
- 13:19:02 [shadi]
- ...or a script inside the doc
- 13:19:31 [shadi]
- KE: understand we need to use GitHub but agree need to "hide" it as much as possible
- 13:20:26 [shadi]
- TB: maybe a small script that can parse doc files
- 13:20:57 [shadi]
- SAZ: something you can do?
- 13:21:20 [shadi]
- TB: definitely can parse doc using Python
- 13:21:30 [shadi]
- ...not sure about the pull request or such
- 13:27:37 [shadi]
- SAZ: will find out about the script and send out the information
- 13:27:51 [shadi]
- ...seems we should be able to have a web form at least
- 13:28:11 [shadi]
- ...if we are lucky, maybe also a doc parsing script
- 13:28:31 [shadi]
- ...also may be able to re-use documentation from the CG
- 13:31:48 [maryjom]
- https://www.w3.org/WAI/policies/submission/
- 13:32:07 [maryjom]
- That link is the submission form for accessibility laws and policies.
- 13:32:25 [shadi]
- MJM: expecting issues and discussion for each rule
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- SAZ: think rule providers will be re-submitting rules
- 13:33:23 [shadi]
- ...that is, think less active development in this group
- 13:33:50 [shadi]
- ...trying to keep development outside (eg. community group or vendor etc.)
- 13:38:16 [shadi]
- Topic: Round of introduction
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- JC: Joe Croning, work for Amazon
- 13:38:50 [shadi]
- ...working on internal tools
- 13:38:58 [shadi]
- ...relevant group for me
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- MJM: standards program manager for IBM
- 13:39:30 [shadi]
- ...have internal tools too
- 13:39:42 [shadi]
- KE: work for US Access Board
- 13:40:07 [shadi]
- ...develop of Trusted Tester
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- TB: work with MITRE
- 13:42:19 [shadi]
- ...more on the developer side but do some testing
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- SAZ: W3C staff contact for this group
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- zakim, take up next
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- agendum 2. "How should proposals be submitted? (pull request, email, other?)" taken up [from maryjom]
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- 13:43:51 [shadi]
- MJM: mailing list we can use?
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- SAZ: easy to setup but probably want as much automation as possible
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- zakim, take up next
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- agendum 3. "How do you attach assets (video, pdf, other files)" taken up [from maryjom]
- 13:46:36 [shadi]
- MJM: can we just have things uploaded, or do they need to be checked (eg. for virsus etc.)?
- 13:47:00 [shadi]
- JC: check extensions and avoid .exe, .zip, etc.
- 13:47:18 [shadi]
- s/JC/TB
- 13:49:15 [shadi]
- SAZ: maybe can split and focus on HTML with subset of assets (eg. images, audio, video, etc.)
- 13:51:08 [shadi]
- ...opening up to all formats could get quite complex
- 13:54:55 [shadi]
- ...rules with other types of formats would need to go through a different route
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- https://github.com/w3c/wai-policies-prototype/blob/master/_policies/submission.php
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- zakim, take up next
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- agendum 4. "Should we have a template for submission?" taken up [from maryjom]
- 13:59:28 [shadi]
- MJM: already discussed, somewhat
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- zakim, take up next
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- agendum 4 was just opened, shadi
- 13:59:40 [shadi]
- zakim, close agendum 4
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- agendum 4, Should we have a template for submission?, closed
- 13:59:41 [Zakim]
- I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
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- 5. Go over "Page has a title" rule review survey results [from maryjom]
- 13:59:42 [shadi]
- zakim, take up next
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- agendum 5. "Go over "Page has a title" rule review survey results" taken up [from maryjom]
- 13:59:57 [shadi]
- MJM: typo
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- ...editorial change
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- ...but otherwise seems ready to go
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- trackbot, end meeting
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- Zakim, list attendees
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- As of this point the attendees have been trevor, maryjom, shadi, kathyeng, Jie, Joe
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- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/09/19-wcag-act-minutes.html trackbot
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- RRSAgent, bye
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- I see no action items