IRC log of chem-web-pub on 2019-09-19
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- trackbot, start meeting
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- trackbot, start meeting
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- agenda+ scribe
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- agenda+ Welcome New Members
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- agenda+ Approve Minutes From Last Meeting
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- agenda+ Dan Barrett and Jason White to speak at IsLand Conference. Questions you wish them to ask
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- agenda+ Continue Discussion of Use Cases
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- agenda+ Next meeting proposed for October 24th
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- trackbot, status
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- meeting: Chemistry for the Web and Publishing
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- Date: 19 September 2019
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- chair: Dan_B
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 1. "scribe" taken up [from Dan_B]
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- scribe: George
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- present+
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- zakim, take up next
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- agendum 2. "Welcome New Members" taken up [from Dan_B]
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- present+ Ashley
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- Present+ Eleanor
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- present+ Elaine
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- zakim, take up next
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- agendum 3. "Approve Minutes From Last Meeting" taken up [from Dan_B]
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- minutes approved.
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- zakim, take up next
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- agendum 4. "Dan Barrett and Jason White to speak at IsLand Conference. Questions you wish them to ask" taken up [from Dan_B]
- 15:10:59 [George]
- DB: I will be talking about this group.
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- JW: I am giving a presentation about MathML and the addition of semantics and also adding how to differenciate math content from chem. I will have hand outs.
- 15:12:30 [George]
- There will be no news for the experts, so more basic.
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- DB: Cary runs the conference
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- Reach out to Jason and Dan at any time about thoughts.
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- GK: what is the current best practice.
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- JW:One of the options is to have parallel semantic and presentation MathML. Use ARIA to disembaquate.
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- VS: With MathJax, I use huristics to figure out that this is Chemistry versus math.
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- let them know that they can still use LaTex, and If you go to the conference
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- MathJax fundamentally understands LaTex.
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- Elanore we will put in the image, which is not great.
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- Zakim, take up next
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- agendum 5. "Continue Discussion of Use Cases" taken up [from Dan_B]
- 15:21:03 [George]
- Where did we leave off?
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- CS:Three dementional models.
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- I went to a conference and met with MollyMods.
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- They do not represent bonds.
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- They have an App where you take a picture and it patern matches it with an online database.
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- DB: That does not sound possible.
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- CS: if you use ChemDraw and take advantage of the database, they can do interesting things.
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- At the conference the tech people were not there, so I could not get much.
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- VS: On some online databases, you can send your mol files and get information back, including references to a 3D library.
- 15:28:47 [George]
- Ashley: I have read about Seelis where you can take a picture and it can return something that can then be presented by vibration. I wonder if something like this could be modified for chemistry.
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- DB: I wonder how this would work with haptic output.
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- CS: I am trying to compare what is available and what needs to be done.
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- Text-to-Speech is an interesting approach.
- 15:31:29 [George]
- If we had a database, how could we make it more effective to produce a tactile, sh ask with swelling paper or a tiger embosser.
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- GK: What about imageshare?
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- Does a database of Chemistry already exists.
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- VS: We have the software to do it. We do not have a database of these items.
- 15:35:17 [Dan_B]
- Cary : volker are you saying you can take a jmol or regular mol file and turn that into an SVG?
- 15:35:54 [Dan_B]
- Volker: Yes, it can pick up the identifier of your favorite molecule and put it into our identifer and render an SVG.
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- DB: Is JMol open source.
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- Also JSMol
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- JSMol you can run on a website.
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- VS: JSMol is the useful one.
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- VS: if you have a mol file with 3D coordinagtes, it can render it directly.
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- /say VS: if you have a mol file with 3D coordinagtes, it can render it directly.
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- /say /say VS: if you have a mol file with 3D coordinagtes, it can render it directly.
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- CS: The point is to identify gaps.
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- There is a gap and how do webridge the gap.
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- The wideness of the gap is not as wide as we thought.
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- VS seems to have a lot of the solutions.
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- VS: I recall that some folks were looking at funding.
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- The funding discussion has not moved forward.
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- DB: We at HM would love to use what VS has done to render the more complex materials in our books. How can we make that happen?
- 15:44:56 [George]
- /say DB: We at HM would love to use what VS has done to render the more complex materials in our books. How can we make that happen?. It is a service that is available for sale.
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- Action: George to send out the survey results of developers.
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- /say Action: George to send out the survey results of developers.
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- A discussion of how the software renders complex or simple molecules.
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- We are good at recognition, but when you get annotations, we have not developed that yet.
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- To premature for a CSUN presentation.Action: VS and CS will look at a submission for CSUN.
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- zakim, take up next item
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- agendum 6. "Next meeting proposed for October 24th" taken up [from Dan_B]
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- Action: VS and CS will look at a submission for CSUN.
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- Decision to have next call on the 24th.
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- Action:George to send out a calendar invite.
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- zakim, bye
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- leaving. As of this point the attendees have been Dan_B, George, jasonjgw, franco, Ashley, Eleanor, Elaine
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- rrsagent, draft the minutes
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