IRC log of personalization on 2019-09-18
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- shawn has changed the topic to: See the Personalization Overview at https://www.w3.org/WAI/personalization/ (comments welcome - links under "Help improve this page")
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- 08:29:23 [LisaSeemanKest]
- i cant get into the meeting?
- 08:29:32 [LisaSeemanKest]
- can somone message me the password
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- present+
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- present+
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- present+
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- thanks
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- scribe stevelee
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- scribe+ stevelee
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- Charles: working on for p13n for a few years
- 08:36:55 [Roy]
- scribe: Steve
- 08:37:07 [stevelee]
- ... looked at AUI but found a few conflicts
- 08:37:24 [stevelee]
- ... so using data-* attributes
- 08:38:11 [stevelee]
- .. try a few alternatives and waiting to reach consensus and critical mass
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- I'm logging. Sorry, nothing found for 'link'
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/09/18-personalization-minutes.html weiler
- 08:40:23 [stevelee]
- ... the symbol attribute provides for extra symbols and takes several parameters
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- Lisa: you don't change the specific different symbols in the content
- 08:40:53 [stevelee]
- ... they are in personal preferences
- 08:41:42 [stevelee]
- ... many symbol sets are proprietary and users have paid to use on the device (not licenced to use on the web)
- 08:41:53 [stevelee]
- ... for symbols user symbols are their 'lnaguage'
- 08:42:21 [stevelee]
- Charles: deck is on the personalisation wiki
- 08:42:37 [stevelee]
- ... time for a demo.
- 08:43:37 [stevelee]
- .. once chrome extension is installed a new UI item allows personalisation settings to be altered
- 08:44:02 [stevelee]
- ... [demoing setting ARASEC symbols which appear on the page]
- 08:44:51 [stevelee]
- ... when I select "personalize page" the symbols appear.
- 08:45:19 [stevelee]
- ... if I change the profile then the Bliss symbols appear.
- 08:45:39 [stevelee]
- ... can also say if appear above or next to words
- 08:46:14 [stevelee]
- ... there is also option ot have symbols appear on [pointer] hover (AKA tooltips)
- 08:46:47 [stevelee]
- ... need to set focus 1st
- 08:47:23 [stevelee]
- ... can select another profile that only shows critical portions of a page
- 08:49:28 [stevelee]
- ... we demoed symbols but there are several other personalisation
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- 08:49:54 [stevelee]
- .. eg numbers should be replaced with relative terms
- 08:50:15 [stevelee]
- ... eg rather that 90 degrees say HOT
- 08:50:57 [stevelee]
- janina: useful for dyslexia and discalculia etc
- 08:51:29 [stevelee]
- Charles: we want people to get use to this and find out whicj are most popular
- 08:51:38 [hadleybeeman]
- q?
- 08:51:47 [hadleybeeman]
- q+ to ask about privacy
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- 08:52:07 [stevelee]
- ... and then try to get wider support (say browser)
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- https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/blob/master/TPAC/W3C-Personalization-2019-TPAC.pptx
- 08:52:47 [stevelee]
- link to slides ^^^
- 08:53:14 [LisaSeemanKest]
- i cant hear the question
- 08:54:32 [LisaSeemanKest]
- maybe type it into the chanel
- 08:54:35 [stevelee]
- charles: {in response to question] we have 3 levels of distraction setting in the preferences
- 08:54:36 [CharlesL]
- reader mode in browsers
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- ?: Reading mode in browsers does simplify content but not support symbols
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- s/?/Juan
- 08:56:43 [stevelee]
- ?: is there a move for browsers to standardise?
- 08:57:03 [CharlesL]
- always on reading mode
- 08:57:07 [stevelee]
- ? : i personaly find low distraction modes very useful
- 08:57:15 [hadleybeeman]
- s/?/hadleybeeman
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- q?
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- ?me thanks
- 08:57:33 [jcraig]
- Ack ha
- 08:57:33 [Zakim]
- hadleybeeman, you wanted to ask about privacy
- 08:57:34 [CharlesL]
- ack hadleybeeman
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- 08:58:08 [stevelee]
- hadleybeeman, is all this happening in the browser or server
- 08:58:26 [LisaSeemanKest]
- we have it as an extention and server side
- 08:59:02 [LisaSeemanKest]
- can you unmute me
- 08:59:05 [LisaSeemanKest]
- done
- 08:59:16 [stevelee]
- charles: lisa yo seem to have dropped of webex
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- i can still here
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- thanks
- 09:00:10 [LisaSeemanKest]
- can u here me?
- 09:00:31 [hadleybeeman]
- zakim, unmute LisaSeemanKest
- 09:00:31 [Zakim]
- sorry, hadleybeeman, I can't do that anymore
- 09:01:49 [LisaSeemanKest]
- u cant here me, but if anyone is interested in the code or what we are doing please be intouch
- 09:01:55 [jcraig]
- Zakim, open the pod bay doors
- 09:01:55 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'open the pod bay doors', jcraig
- 09:01:59 [LisaSeemanKest]
- lisa.seeman@zoho.com
- 09:02:18 [stevelee]
- charlse: do you think this might be usefull to students in exams needing special considerations?
- 09:03:07 [stevelee]
- ?: this could be more disruptive than what we've seen
- 09:03:21 [LisaSeemanKest]
- we very much want more implementions
- 09:04:42 [CharlesHall]
- q+ for element type of the symbol
- 09:04:51 [LisaSeemanKest]
- and we need more implementions\
- 09:05:28 [Roy]
- FYI, See the Personalization Overview at https://www.w3.org/WAI/personalization/
- 09:05:57 [CharlesL]
- q?
- 09:06:02 [CharlesL]
- ack CharlesHall
- 09:06:02 [Zakim]
- CharlesHall, you wanted to discuss element type of the symbol
- 09:06:39 [LisaSeemanKest]
- up to the implemetion I think
- 09:06:59 [LisaSeemanKest]
- ori is also on the webex
- 09:07:05 [aboxhall_]
- q+ to ask about implementations
- 09:07:22 [stevelee]
- Charles: what the is the render element that contains the symbols?
- 09:07:41 [stevelee]
- jania: we could do with some code samples.
- 09:08:27 [LisaSeemanKest]
- +1
- 09:09:13 [LisaSeemanKest]
- and also some people just know a symbol that is familure to them like a hand set for phone
- 09:09:22 [stevelee]
- janina: saying some people need the symbols as it is their language
- 09:09:26 [LisaSeemanKest]
- but a younger user may not know what that is
- 09:09:45 [stevelee]
- charles: looked at code and is using png symbols in img element
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- 09:10:08 [stevelee]
- .. also use the old aui-attribute rather than data-*
- 09:10:13 [LisaSeemanKest]
- so it lets people with dementa etc use the old symbols, and designers use modern ones without losing an audience
- 09:10:53 [CharlesL]
- q?
- 09:11:00 [stevelee]
- charles: the client process is to got through content and inject symbols where ether the attribute appear
- 09:11:04 [CharlesL]
- ack aboxhall_
- 09:11:04 [Zakim]
- aboxhall_, you wanted to ask about implementations
- 09:11:55 [stevelee]
- aboxhall_, is the intention to publish the extension?
- 09:12:35 [stevelee]
- charles: leaving up to developers to decide how to make it available
- 09:12:45 [stevelee]
- stevelee: ideal eventually in the browsers
- 09:13:01 [stevelee]
- janina: user numbers are quite large
- 09:14:05 [aboxhall_]
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blissymbols
- 09:14:33 [Roy]
- https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/wiki/About-Data-Symbol
- 09:14:37 [LisaSeemanKest]
- arrosac are open free symbols
- 09:14:56 [Roy]
- http://www.blissymbolics.org/index.php/
- 09:15:02 [stevelee]
- https://mulberrysymbols.org/ also CC BY
- 09:15:05 [chrishall]
- http://www.arasaac.org/pictogramas_color.php
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- 09:17:34 [mhakkinen]
- is there a source for the WordNet Symbols? Can't find anything.
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- 09:18:21 [LisaSeemanKest]
- yes. they are conceprts
- 09:18:38 [LisaSeemanKest]
- but concept.net is more useful
- 09:18:48 [LisaSeemanKest]
- wordnet not symbols
- 09:19:02 [LisaSeemanKest]
- very english and not all parts of spearch
- 09:19:47 [LisaSeemanKest]
- bliss is just a starting point
- 09:19:58 [LisaSeemanKest]
- wordnet is a speach thing
- 09:20:11 [chrishall]
- http://conceptnet.io/ ?
- 09:20:24 [tomayac]
- s/concept.net/http://conceptnet.io/
- 09:20:32 [LisaSeemanKest]
- no
- 09:21:03 [LisaSeemanKest]
- http://conceptnet.io/
- 09:21:27 [LisaSeemanKest]
- we have mapping between a few words a a single symbol
- 09:21:50 [LisaSeemanKest]
- yes
- 09:21:58 [stevelee]
- ? is there work on machine translation words to symbols eg google translate
- 09:21:59 [LisaSeemanKest]
- but not reliable
- 09:22:22 [LisaSeemanKest]
- ibm concept coder
- 09:22:29 [LisaSeemanKest]
- we are testing it.
- 09:22:31 [stevelee]
- ori: no, lisa: yes butnot reliable
- 09:22:46 [LisaSeemanKest]
- lots of errors. very difficalt for this user group
- 09:22:52 [LisaSeemanKest]
- to work out what is needed
- 09:22:59 [LisaSeemanKest]
- what was intended
- 09:23:55 [LisaSeemanKest]
- ai not reliable enugh
- 09:24:05 [LisaSeemanKest]
- at this point
- 09:24:11 [stevelee]
- ?: client side machine translation by avoid potential security issues
- 09:24:27 [tomayac]
- s/?/tomayac/
- 09:24:37 [tomayac]
- tomayac is Thomas Steiner, Google
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- RRSAgent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/09/18-personalization-minutes.html Roy
- 09:25:23 [jcraig]
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_character
- 09:25:25 [LisaSeemanKest]
- thank YOU1!
- 09:25:26 [tomayac]
- Advertisers could embed fake annotations to see if a "load" event is triggered
- 09:25:47 [LisaSeemanKest]
- sory about the tech problems
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- RRSAgent, make minutes
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- present+
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- present+
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- meeting: TPAC Personalization Breakout - Symbols
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- chair: CharlesL
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- present+ Janina
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- s/ARASEC/ARASAAC
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- RRSAgent, make minute
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- I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minute', CharlesL. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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- s/arrosac/ARASAAC
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- Summary: Presented an overview of the prototyping data-symbol attribute for personalization of web content. Showed a demo using a Chrome Browser Extension that could switch depending on the users personal preferences between using BLISS or ARASAAC symbols which would show up as images above the text they represent. Also shown was how the personal preference could show only the critical sections of the authored page and not ren
- 19:01:21 [CharlesL]
- der those portions of the page below a certain threshold also set by the user's "data-distraction" level of which there are three choices (low/med/critical).
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/09/18-personalization-minutes.html CharlesL
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