01:45:36 RRSAgent has joined #personalization 01:45:36 logging to https://www.w3.org/2019/09/18-personalization-irc 01:45:38 RRSAgent, make logs public 01:45:40 koalie has changed the topic to: https://w3c.github.io/tpac-breakouts/sessions.html 01:45:46 koalie has left #personalization 01:49:29 CharlesL has joined #personalization 01:57:36 shawn has changed the topic to: See the Personalization Overview at https://www.w3.org/WAI/personalization/ (comments welcome - links under "Help improve this page") 01:58:47 shimazu has joined #personalization 03:01:59 shimazu has joined #personalization 04:34:20 Roy has joined #personalization 04:34:44 shimazu has joined #personalization 04:35:20 CharlesL has joined #personalization 05:01:59 stevelee has joined #personalization 05:16:44 shimazu has joined #personalization 05:23:38 CharlesL has joined #personalization 05:35:33 CharlesL has joined #personalization 05:36:44 shimazu has joined #personalization 05:39:23 Roy has joined #personalization 06:18:22 Roy has joined #personalization 06:32:04 shimazu has joined #personalization 06:34:23 CharlesL has joined #personalization 06:54:31 Roy has joined #personalization 07:00:52 stevelee has joined #personalization 07:34:52 shimazu has joined #personalization 08:03:26 stevelee_ has joined #personalization 08:04:00 CharlesL has joined #personalization 08:12:34 stevelee has joined #personalization 08:16:34 takeru_ has joined #personalization 08:26:01 Roy has joined #personalization 08:27:33 shimazu has joined #personalization 08:28:45 LisaSeemanKest has joined #personalization 08:29:23 i cant get into the meeting? 08:29:32 can somone message me the password 08:30:22 meredith has joined #personalization 08:31:10 CharlesHall has joined #personalization 08:31:51 present+ 08:32:56 aboxhall_ has joined #personalization 08:32:57 present+ 08:33:08 takeru has joined #personalization 08:33:10 hendo has joined #personalization 08:33:24 DavidClarke has joined #personalization 08:33:28 Zakim has joined #personalization 08:33:41 present+ 08:34:22 thanks 08:34:39 mhakkinen has joined #personalization 08:35:53 scribe stevelee 08:36:11 scribe+ stevelee 08:36:24 sh has joined #personalization 08:36:40 hadleybeeman has joined #personalization 08:36:42 Charles: working on for p13n for a few years 08:36:55 scribe: Steve 08:37:07 ... looked at AUI but found a few conflicts 08:37:24 ... so using data-* attributes 08:38:11 .. try a few alternatives and waiting to reach consensus and critical mass 08:38:50 jcraig has joined #personalization 08:39:27 weiler has joined #personalization 08:39:51 I'm logging. Sorry, nothing found for 'link' 08:40:02 I'm logging. Sorry, nothing found for 'where is the log' 08:40:08 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/09/18-personalization-minutes.html weiler 08:40:23 ... the symbol attribute provides for extra symbols and takes several parameters 08:40:36 chrishall has joined #personalization 08:40:46 Lisa: you don't change the specific different symbols in the content 08:40:53 ... they are in personal preferences 08:41:42 ... many symbol sets are proprietary and users have paid to use on the device (not licenced to use on the web) 08:41:53 ... for symbols user symbols are their 'lnaguage' 08:42:21 Charles: deck is on the personalisation wiki 08:42:37 ... time for a demo. 08:43:37 .. once chrome extension is installed a new UI item allows personalisation settings to be altered 08:44:02 ... [demoing setting ARASEC symbols which appear on the page] 08:44:51 ... when I select "personalize page" the symbols appear. 08:45:19 ... if I change the profile then the Bliss symbols appear. 08:45:39 ... can also say if appear above or next to words 08:46:14 ... there is also option ot have symbols appear on [pointer] hover (AKA tooltips) 08:46:47 ... need to set focus 1st 08:47:23 ... can select another profile that only shows critical portions of a page 08:49:28 ... we demoed symbols but there are several other personalisation 08:49:36 shimazu has joined #personalization 08:49:54 .. eg numbers should be replaced with relative terms 08:50:15 ... eg rather that 90 degrees say HOT 08:50:57 janina: useful for dyslexia and discalculia etc 08:51:29 Charles: we want people to get use to this and find out whicj are most popular 08:51:38 q? 08:51:47 q+ to ask about privacy 08:52:05 CharlesL has left #personalization 08:52:07 ... and then try to get wider support (say browser) 08:52:08 CharlesL has joined #personalization 08:52:18 https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/blob/master/TPAC/W3C-Personalization-2019-TPAC.pptx 08:52:47 link to slides ^^^ 08:53:14 i cant hear the question 08:54:32 maybe type it into the chanel 08:54:35 charles: {in response to question] we have 3 levels of distraction setting in the preferences 08:54:36 reader mode in browsers 08:54:45 he has joined #personalization 08:55:08 ?: Reading mode in browsers does simplify content but not support symbols 08:56:00 s/?/Juan 08:56:43 ?: is there a move for browsers to standardise? 08:57:03 always on reading mode 08:57:07 ? : i personaly find low distraction modes very useful 08:57:15 s/?/hadleybeeman 08:57:21 q? 08:57:22 ?me thanks 08:57:33 Ack ha 08:57:33 hadleybeeman, you wanted to ask about privacy 08:57:34 ack hadleybeeman 08:58:04 shimazu has joined #personalization 08:58:08 hadleybeeman, is all this happening in the browser or server 08:58:26 we have it as an extention and server side 08:59:02 can you unmute me 08:59:05 done 08:59:16 charles: lisa yo seem to have dropped of webex 08:59:18 tomayac has joined #personalization 08:59:32 i can still here 08:59:38 thanks 09:00:10 can u here me? 09:00:31 zakim, unmute LisaSeemanKest 09:00:31 sorry, hadleybeeman, I can't do that anymore 09:01:49 u cant here me, but if anyone is interested in the code or what we are doing please be intouch 09:01:55 Zakim, open the pod bay doors 09:01:55 I don't understand 'open the pod bay doors', jcraig 09:01:59 lisa.seeman@zoho.com 09:02:18 charlse: do you think this might be usefull to students in exams needing special considerations? 09:03:07 ?: this could be more disruptive than what we've seen 09:03:21 we very much want more implementions 09:04:42 q+ for element type of the symbol 09:04:51 and we need more implementions\ 09:05:28 FYI, See the Personalization Overview at https://www.w3.org/WAI/personalization/ 09:05:57 q? 09:06:02 ack CharlesHall 09:06:02 CharlesHall, you wanted to discuss element type of the symbol 09:06:39 up to the implemetion I think 09:06:59 ori is also on the webex 09:07:05 q+ to ask about implementations 09:07:22 Charles: what the is the render element that contains the symbols? 09:07:41 jania: we could do with some code samples. 09:08:27 +1 09:09:13 and also some people just know a symbol that is familure to them like a hand set for phone 09:09:22 janina: saying some people need the symbols as it is their language 09:09:26 but a younger user may not know what that is 09:09:45 charles: looked at code and is using png symbols in img element 09:09:48 toshiakikoike_ has joined #personalization 09:10:08 .. also use the old aui-attribute rather than data-* 09:10:13 so it lets people with dementa etc use the old symbols, and designers use modern ones without losing an audience 09:10:53 q? 09:11:00 charles: the client process is to got through content and inject symbols where ether the attribute appear 09:11:04 ack aboxhall_ 09:11:04 aboxhall_, you wanted to ask about implementations 09:11:55 aboxhall_, is the intention to publish the extension? 09:12:35 charles: leaving up to developers to decide how to make it available 09:12:45 stevelee: ideal eventually in the browsers 09:13:01 janina: user numbers are quite large 09:14:05 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blissymbols 09:14:33 https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/wiki/About-Data-Symbol 09:14:37 arrosac are open free symbols 09:14:56 http://www.blissymbolics.org/index.php/ 09:15:02 https://mulberrysymbols.org/ also CC BY 09:15:05 http://www.arasaac.org/pictogramas_color.php 09:16:58 hendo has left #personalization 09:17:34 is there a source for the WordNet Symbols? Can't find anything. 09:18:02 hendo_ has joined #personalization 09:18:21 yes. they are conceprts 09:18:38 but concept.net is more useful 09:18:48 wordnet not symbols 09:19:02 very english and not all parts of spearch 09:19:47 bliss is just a starting point 09:19:58 wordnet is a speach thing 09:20:11 http://conceptnet.io/ ? 09:20:24 s/concept.net/http://conceptnet.io/ 09:20:32 no 09:21:03 http://conceptnet.io/ 09:21:27 we have mapping between a few words a a single symbol 09:21:50 yes 09:21:58 ? is there work on machine translation words to symbols eg google translate 09:21:59 but not reliable 09:22:22 ibm concept coder 09:22:29 we are testing it. 09:22:31 ori: no, lisa: yes butnot reliable 09:22:46 lots of errors. very difficalt for this user group 09:22:52 to work out what is needed 09:22:59 what was intended 09:23:55 ai not reliable enugh 09:24:05 at this point 09:24:11 ?: client side machine translation by avoid potential security issues 09:24:27 s/?/tomayac/ 09:24:37 tomayac is Thomas Steiner, Google 09:25:18 RRSAgent, make minutes 09:25:18 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/09/18-personalization-minutes.html Roy 09:25:23 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_character 09:25:25 thank YOU1! 09:25:26 Advertisers could embed fake annotations to see if a "load" event is triggered 09:25:47 sory about the tech problems 09:26:07 RRSAgent, make minutes 09:26:07 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/09/18-personalization-minutes.html Roy 09:27:22 present+ 09:27:32 present+ 09:27:42 meeting: TPAC Personalization Breakout - Symbols 09:27:51 chair: CharlesL 09:28:03 RRSAgent, make minutes 09:28:03 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/09/18-personalization-minutes.html CharlesL 09:28:54 present+ JamesC 09:29:18 present+ Markku 09:29:52 present+ Lisa 09:30:03 present+ Janina 09:30:06 RRSAgent, make minutes 09:30:06 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/09/18-personalization-minutes.html CharlesL 18:49:21 RRSAgent has joined #personalization 18:49:21 logging to https://www.w3.org/2019/09/18-personalization-irc 18:49:37 s/ARASEC/ARASAAC 18:49:57 RRSAgent, make minute 18:49:57 I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minute', CharlesL. Try /msg RRSAgent help 18:50:25 RRSAgent, make minutes 18:50:25 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/09/18-personalization-minutes.html CharlesL 18:53:09 s/arrosac/ARASAAC 18:53:49 RRSAgent, make minutes 18:53:49 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/09/18-personalization-minutes.html CharlesL 19:01:21 Summary: Presented an overview of the prototyping data-symbol attribute for personalization of web content. Showed a demo using a Chrome Browser Extension that could switch depending on the users personal preferences between using BLISS or ARASAAC symbols which would show up as images above the text they represent. Also shown was how the personal preference could show only the critical sections of the authored page and not ren 19:01:21 der those portions of the page below a certain threshold also set by the user's "data-distraction" level of which there are three choices (low/med/critical). 19:01:31 RRSAgent, make minutes 19:01:31 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/09/18-personalization-minutes.html CharlesL 21:04:39 CharlesL has joined #personalization 21:40:43 CharlesL has joined #personalization 21:41:43 CharlesL1 has joined #personalization 21:42:38 CharlesL has joined #personalization 21:43:54 CharlesL1 has joined #personalization 21:44:47 CharlesL has joined #personalization 22:14:02 LisaSeemanKest has joined #personalization 22:20:50 shimazu has joined #personalization 22:23:36 CharlesL has joined #personalization 23:42:33 Roy has joined #personalization 23:46:43 CharlesL has joined #personalization