IRC log of aha on 2019-09-18
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- chair: YoshiroYoneya
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- Meeting: Anti-Homograph-Attacks
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- Agenda and slides are here: https://github.com/yoneyajp/AHA/wiki
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- Agenda and slides are here: https://github.com/yoneyajp/AHA/wiki
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- introduction by Yoshiro Yoneya
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- named the group anti homograph attack AHA
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- https://github.com/yoneyajp/AHA/wiki
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- introduction slide
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- https://github.com/yoneyajp/AHA/blob/master/AHA-CG-Proposal.pptx
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- motivation is to create a place discuss about IDN homograph attack mitigation
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- yoneya: scope of CG
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- yoneya: focus is mainly on web browser
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- yoneya: prof Mori will present detail
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- mori: background
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- https://github.com/yoneyajp/AHA/blob/master/20190918-W3C-mori.pdf
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- mori: to tackle, create sham finder framework
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- mori: use alexa ranking top 100/1000 to create reference
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- mori: figure shows how sham finder works
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- mori: question is existend of such Database
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- http://unicode.org/reports/tr39/#Data_Collection
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- mori: process to create DB called SimChar
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- mori: get visual image of chars using BNU unifont
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- mori: need to evaluate similality of gryphs which needs threshold
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- Stats of DBs
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- mori: using four pixels as threshold
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- xxxx: dotted i and i without dot are confusable
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- examples of confusable homogryphs
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- mori: detected homogryphs are really confusable?
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- mori: study with human has done
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- mori: some pairs in confusable.txt are not feel confusabe from human
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- mori: limitaion and future work
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- mori: confusability differs by the speeking language of the person
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- SimChar is available in github
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- xxxx: quesiton about difficulty of evaluating of distance between gryphs
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- yoneya: going to discussion session
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- https://github.com/yoneyajp/AHA/blob/master/AHA-CG-Proposal.pptx
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- yoneya: similar char list is not so large
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- yoneya: so, it may be possible to embedded in apps
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- yoneya: how to indicate confusable char?
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- yoneya: candidate idea: indicating by color, by spacing, read aloud, creating special font
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- yoneya: input of ideas from audiences are welcomed
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- xxxx: question about asian script punicode
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- mori: asian chars contains homogryps
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- mori: asian chars are less used in IDNs
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- yoneya: for non latin char users, they are not familiar with homograph attacks, such indication method of confuable chars are nessessary
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- xxxx: worring about mixed script detction
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- xxxx: lowcase L and number 1 are confusable
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- yoneya: if app detect confusable chars, app can indcate with distinctive way
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- xxxx: issues about skelton comparison, false positive
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- xxxx: using real world confusion samples to improve threshold may be worthful
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- xxxx: how to standardize the confusability may be difficult since opinions might be difference between groups
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- xxxx: what groups means?
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- xxxx: peple from apple, goolgle, mozzila may have different opinion about difining confusable pairs
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- xxxx: speer phishing for screen reader users may be possible
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- yoneya: have intention to create community group. draft charter is already prepared
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- yoneya: if you think about joining to CG, please notify name to us
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- xxxx: relationship with unicode consortium, etc?
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- xxxx: bring this to ICANN ietf is in mind
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- yoneya: w3c is good place to collecting internet users opinions
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- yoneya: welcome opinions from audiences
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- yoneya: please contact to yoneya's id or github
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- https://github.com/yoneyajp/
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- yoshiro.yoneya@jprs.co.jp
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- Summary
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- - We had around 15 attendees.
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- - We got positive feedback from attendees.
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- - We will propose forming a community group and announce its formation on a broader channel.
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- - We will bring our deliverables to other SDOs such as IETF, ICANN and Unicode Consortium.
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