IRC log of tpac on 2019-09-17
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- meeting: TPAC 2019 Plenary
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- I'm logging. I don't understand 'set pointer', Ian. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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- See https://www.w3.org/2019/09/17-tpac-irc#T00-02-24
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- Topic: Plenary
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- -> https://www.w3.org/2019/Talks/TPAC/ceo-tpac-update/ CEO Update slides
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- scribenick: Ian
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- Jeff: Welcome! Lots of attendance!
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- [Housekeeping]
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- Jeff: Please complete the survey to help us improve TPAC
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- ...Naomi and the Keio Team were amazing at securing sponsors; most sponsors ever.
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- [Slide displays all sponsor names]
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- Jeff: Many thanks in particular to the Platinum Sponsors: Rakuten Insitute of Technology, Coil, NTT
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- Jeff: Thanks also to Gold sponsor Panasonic
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- Jeff: Let's thank all the sponsors!
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/09/17-tpac-minutes.html Ian
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- Jeff: Please recall that all W3C meetings are guided by our Code of Conduct
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- -> https://www.w3.org/Consortium/cepc/ Code of Ethics and Professional Conduct
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- Jeff: There is a CG that is working on a substantial revision to the code of conduct.
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- Jeff: Schedule for today before breakouts includes two important topics: continuous spec developments and MDN
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- ...there is also a breakout session on Process 2020 later today
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- ....MDN did a developer survey to look at developer needs; W3C participated. We think it's important for the W3C community to hear the results, and there will be a breakout later today.
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- -> https://w3c.github.io/tpac-breakouts/sessions.html TPAC 2019 breakout schedule
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- Jeff: We will finalize the breakout grid (this year mostly done before TPAC started)
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- Jeff: We canceled reporting this year in favor of more breakout time
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- Jeff: Tonight we have a reception on the first floor
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- Jeff: Some additional points for the community; we are proud of our commitment to diversity.
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- ..we created a diversity fund to raise money to pay expenses for people who might not be able to attend otherwise
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- ...In 2018 we enabled 2 people to attend.
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- ...In 2019, under Léonie Watson's leadership, we were able to support 7 scholarships. Many thanks to the 11 companies that enabled that.
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- ...we did hear that it requires time in companies to budget for these scholarships, so for next year we will start this effort sooner
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- [W3C Process]
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- Process CG mailing list https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-w3process/
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- Jeff: Process changes managed through the Process CG; many important changes are coming. Please see the editors' draft for what's coming
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- Process CG GitHub https://github.com/w3c/w3process/issues
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- ...the small team that does this work is doing amazing work, but we'd like broader participation.
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- [TPAC 2020]
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- Jeff: next year's meeting 26-30 October in Vancouver, Canada
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- Topic: Continues Specification Development
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- [Fantasai and Philippe Le Hégaret]
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- plh: Good morning and thanks for surviving TPAC so far!
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- -> https://www.w3.org/2019/Talks/TPAC/continuous-standards/# Continuous Spec Development Slides
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- PLH: Come to the breakout session and don't hesitate to ask us questions.
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- See https://www.w3.org/2019/09/17-tpac-irc#T00-12-36
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- [Ian does not plan to reproduce the slides by scribing PLH verbatim]
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- -> https://www.w3.org/2019/Talks/TPAC/continuous-standards/#3 Where can the REC track be improved?
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- PLH: One note - patent policy commitments only solidify at REC, even though deployment happens sooner.
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- -> https://www.w3.org/2019/Talks/TPAC/continuous-standards/#4 Use cases
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- PLH: Use cases: Vocabularies (e.g., DCAT), mappings, registries, profiles, maintenance, enhancement, rapid development, tracking
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- -> https://www.w3.org/2019/Talks/TPAC/continuous-standards/#5 Interested groups
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- PLH: If you are a chair and you want us to stop by your meeting let us know.
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- -> https://www.w3.org/2019/Talks/TPAC/continuous-standards/#6 Goals
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- PLH: Goals include preserving important goals like consensus, wide review
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- -> https://www.w3.org/2019/Talks/TPAC/continuous-standards/#7 Design intentions
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- PLH: Goal is to include this evolution in Process 2020
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- ...the current preference is to fix the Rec track rather than create a parallel track, and to continue to incrementally improve the Rec track
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- fantasai: We propose a set of fixes (which can be taken together or separately)
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- -> https://www.w3.org/2019/Talks/TPAC/continuous-standards/#9 Process Improvements Package
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- -> https://www.w3.org/2019/Talks/TPAC/continuous-standards/#10 Secure licensees sooner
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- fantasai: Licenses are not guaranteed until Rec status. We'd like to get them sooner since specs are deployed sooner.
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- fantasai: each of these 6 proposals can be taken individually, but adopting them all give the most benefits
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- ...the proposal is to adopt a contribution model (like WhatWG and Community Groups)
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- ...licenses by all participants would become active at the end of each exclusion period.
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- Fantasai: Key Questions: Can we change patent policy? Do we need to experiment?
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- -> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/improved-pp-2019/ Survey for AC reps on this topic
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- -> https://www.w3.org/2019/Talks/TPAC/continuous-standards/#11 Proposed Fix: Streamlining Routine CR Update Approvals
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- fantasai: Updating WDs is automatic given WG approval, but updating CR requires Director’s Approval. Most updates, however, are routine and don’t need much scrutiny.
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- ...so the proposal is to allow automatic Director’s Approval for straightforward cases
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- ...e.g., where there is a WG decision, no objections, changes documented, no new features, etc.
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- ...we'd like to make this easy case automatic
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- -> https://www.w3.org/2019/Talks/TPAC/continuous-standards/#12 Decoupling CR updates from CR review drafts
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- fantasai: We'd like to decouple CR into two types of publications: (1) Updates and (2) Review draft
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- ...the latter would trigger Call for Exclusions and other process checks
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- ...this would align with how many groups operate today
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- ...we'd like to make it easier to update CRs so that W3C points people to the same draft developers are looking at
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- -> https://www.w3.org/2019/Talks/TPAC/continuous-standards/#13 Modifying a Rec
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- fantasai: We'd like to allow groups to inline errata.
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- ..allow in-place updates to a REC; no approval process needed to get feedback of modifications
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- ...let's implementers see changes are coming
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- ...and once there is review of these inline modifications, you can do a call for review to get a formally updated Recommendation
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- ...you can get review of some or all of the inline modifications
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- -> https://www.w3.org/2019/Talks/TPAC/continuous-standards/#14 Allow Adding Features to an Extensible REC
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- Fantasai: Some communities want stable feature set, others want continuous development
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- ...the proposal is to re-use REC maintenance process for incorporating proposed changes (above) to also allow incorporating proposed additions into specifications chartered to be extensible.
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- ..and make clear to each community what they are getting
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- -> https://www.w3.org/2019/Talks/TPAC/continuous-standards/#15 New process for registries
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- fantasai: Registries need lightweight update process, possible maintenance outside a WG
- 00:25:15 [Ian]
- ...proposal is for a new type of technical report for W3C Registries
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- ...proposal allows for continuous updating of registry with low overhead
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- ...different registries may have different levels of process, so the check is "was the expected process followed" for that registry
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- ...updates to registry publication that conform to registry definition can be published instantly.
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- [PLH on impact]
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- -> https://www.w3.org/2019/Talks/TPAC/continuous-standards/#18 impact on WGs
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- PLH: easier maintenance, lower overhead, earlier patent commitments
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- -> https://www.w3.org/2019/Talks/TPAC/continuous-standards/#19 Impact on AC and Legal Teams
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- [We skip]
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- -> https://www.w3.org/2019/Talks/TPAC/continuous-standards/#20 Impact on horizontal review
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- PLH: Key is to improve tooling to help reduce cognitive load of context-switching due to ongoing changes
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- -> https://www.w3.org/2019/Talks/TPAC/continuous-standards/#21 Impact on implementers and users
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- PLH: RF commitments provide more confidence, official specs reflect latest thinking, easier maintenance, granular reviews of Proposed Recs
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- -> https://www.w3.org/2019/Talks/TPAC/continuous-standards/#23 Motivations for Alternative Track Proposal
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- PLH: Process CG originally tried developing an alternative track proposal but there were concerns
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- PLH: AC more willing to change patent policy for an alternative track
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- PLH: WGs that want continuous development feel the proposal package is insufficient.
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- ...those are two motivations for an alternate track
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- -> https://www.w3.org/2019/Talks/TPAC/continuous-standards/#24 “Evergreen Recommendation” Track
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- ^the above are hypothetical, **if** they were true, we'd need the evergreen track
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- PLH: We have been asking WGs and Horizontal Review groups about value or challenges of alternate track
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- ...there's also a survey to the AC
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- https://www.w3.org/2019/Talks/TPAC/continuous-standards/#29
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- -> https://www.w3.org/2019/Talks/TPAC/continuous-standards/#29 Questions for the AC in the survey
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- PLH: if you have questions, please come to our breakout session later today!
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- fantasai: We wanted to enable WGs to do continuous updates at the same time as we wanted to have checks in the process.
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- ...for REC status we wanted to ensure wide review and implementation experience
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- ...the REC status is formally recognized by other organizations, so we need to have the necessarily stability properties
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- ...we are trying to bring together these different requirements: ease of work, horizontal review, stability
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- ...and to enable both flexibility for groups as well as enough structure to enable new (or controversy-laden) groups to manage their work
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- marcosc: This is great, thanks for hearing editors! Let us know how we can help
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- fantasai: Please encourage AC reps to complete the survey, provide feedback and support
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- Jeff: I want to emphasize the importance of AC feedback. Changing the patent policy or process involves a lot of work. I'd like to see a lot of enthusiasm and momentum from the membership.
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- 00:36:35 [Ian]
- ...please ask your AC rep to add to the support
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- Tpoic: MDN Web Developer Needs Assessment
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- Topic: MDN Web Developer Needs Assessment
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- Dom: MDN is one of the most popular documentation portals for the Web. I am part of the effort.
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- -> https://www.w3.org/2019/Talks/TPAC/MDN-WEB-DNA.pdf slides: The MDN Web Developer Needs Assessment: The voice of developers and designers working on the web
- 00:37:33 [Ian]
- ...Mozilla organized a survey that involved the W3C community
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- ...group chairs helped inform shape of survey
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- ...today we will go over what we learned.
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- Kadir Topal: I am the product lead for MDN Web Docs
- 00:38:17 [Ian]
- ...I started my career in 1997 as a Web Developer
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- ...this is my first PAC
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- s/PAC/TPAC
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- ...you are amazing [at making sausage]
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- [slide on the case of CSS Grid]
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- Kadir: CSS Grid was a massive success because it addressed a real user need, was shipped by browsers around the same time, etc.
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- ...but CSS Grid was years in the making, and layout had been an issue since the days of using tables for layout.
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- ...so we had some questions: why did it take 5 years between spec and shipping interoperably?
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- ...what were the critical elements of moving this forward.
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- [Web Platform Lifecycle]
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- Kadir: We identified 3 distinct phases: Research, Standardization, Adoption
- 00:41:11 [Ian]
- ...it is very simplified, of course, and looks like a pipe even though it is more like a loop of loops in reality
- 00:41:49 [Ian]
- ...we really wanted to learn more in particular about the research phase (developer pain points etc.)
- 00:42:13 [Ian]
- ...it's important to do more research to understand the developer pain points
- 00:42:26 [Ian]
- ...here's what we heard about how things are prioritized....
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- ...and what stood out in our project was clearly that we need to hear more the voice of developers
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- ...it's hard to get people to adopt something if a solution does not meet needs or does not do so in the right way
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- [Developer Needs Assessment]
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- - Prioritized list of web designer and developer needs
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- - Published on MDN
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- - Annually published, tracking changes over time
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- Kadir: This assessment is not owned by any particular browser vendor
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- s/Tpoic: MDN Web Developer Needs Assessment//
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- Kadir: We think that if we do this well, the MDN DNA can be the voice of designers and developers working on the web
- 00:45:01 [Ian]
- ....asking these question is not trivial since the audience is diverse and the problem space is enormouse
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- s/enormouse/enormous
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- Kadir: We formulated the survey based on interviews with developers and designers from the beginning
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- ..it was an outside-in process; that was really important
- 00:46:27 [Ian]
- ...we followed a pinpoints analysis process to go from interviews to the survey
- 00:46:42 [Ian]
- ...."Observations" -> "Insights" -> "Critical themes"
- 00:47:02 [Ian]
- ...we transcribed 16 hours of interviews, bucketed them.
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- ...lots of moving post-its around
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- ...we worked with our MDN advisory board, revised the survey to remove ambiguities
- 00:48:01 [Ian]
- ...in July 2019 we launched the final version of the survey
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- ...the survey was available in 8 languages
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- ...we heard from more than 76K developers and designers over 4 weeks.
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- ...more than 28K completes from 173 countries and almost 10K hours of developer time
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- ...we think this is the biggest dev/designer survey ever conducted.
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- ...we can slide the responses in different ways due to sample size
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- [Sample Questions]
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- - overall satisfaction with web
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- ....
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- [Sample Results]
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- Main question of the survey was top frustrations:
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- - having to support specific browsers
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- - outdated or inaccurate documentation for frameworks and libfrariers
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- - interop again: avoiding or removing a feature that doesn't work across browsers
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- - interop: testing across browsers
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- - interop: making a design look/work the same across browsers
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- [What are main barriers to adoption of a new feature?]
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- 1) Interop across browsers
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- 2) Documentation and training
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- 3) Support for legacy browsers
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- [Biggest pain points for HTML dev]
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- - Biggest pain point cited was NONE
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- [Overall satisfaction]
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- - 76% are satisfied or very satisfied
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- [Applause from the room!]
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- [Next iteration]
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- Kadier: Report for first iteration in Nov 2019, second iteration starts March 2020
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- ...then publish next results in September 2020 in time for TPAC 2020!
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- [Prioritized list of needs]
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- Goal: Tool for prioritization....
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- ....you are the target audience (in this room), how useful to you? What level of granularity?
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- Kadir: Many thanks to everyone who contributed!! I'm excited by the results and look forward to more in this space.
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- Glenn: You mentioned browser vendors many times, but there are other types of applications as well for Web technology.
- 00:56:22 [Ian]
- ...you didn't mention volunteerism in WGs, which is a key factor in how priorities are worked out
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- s/Glenn/Glenn Adams
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- Rick Byers: one of our topi priorities at Blink is to help developers love the web more, so I want to say I am committed to changing priorities in our team based on what you learned
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- s/Glenn Adams/Glenn_Adams/
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- s/topi/top
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- Phil_Archer: Thank you for MDN!
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- Charles_Lapierre: I was surprised that accessibility was not listed as a top frustration.
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- s/k B/k_B/
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- Kadir: It is in the list of frustrations. It ended up fairly low on this list. Our interpretation is that it's more about lack of knowledge or practice
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- Topic: Finalizing the Breakout Session Grid
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- Dom: Reminder that the rest of the day is an unconference, where the discussion is driven by the participants
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- ...Coralie Mercier and I have worked with the meeting planners to make this a success
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- Dom: Many TPAC attendees find this day energizing and a great way to discover new topics
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- ....we have been collecting breakout session proposals
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- -> https://w3c.github.io/tpac-breakouts/sessions.html Session grid
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- ...participants decide which sessions they want to attend
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- -> https://www.w3.org/2019/Talks/TPAC/dhm-breakouts-intro/Overview.html slides: TPAC Unconference
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- ...please ask Coralie or me questions about the day.
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- Dom: We changed our format from previous years based on feedback. In particular, we heard:
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- - Please have more breakout session!
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- ...so we went from 4 slots to 5 this year
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- - We also did more work before the meeting on the grid to avoid the "mad scramble" which was considered non-inclusive
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- - We also heard that having the schedule in a wiki was hard to read (especially on mobile)
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- - Also because people may be interested in more than one session, people may wish to follow some sessions by IRC. So we have IRC channels publicized in advance
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- Dom: We welcome your feedback on these improvements
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- Dom: We have 12 rooms and 5 slots, for 60 sessions (compared to 40-ish previously)
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- ...however, we gave up the reporting session. We will try to compensate for that by asking the session leads to create written reports
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- ...regarding gathering session proposals in advance - the response rate was really amazing!
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- ...that is also far more than we had received previously before a TPAC
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- ...my early analysis of the proposals is also that there is more diversity in who proposed sessions. I think we could still do better with enabling newcomers to submit proposals.
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- ...the agenda page is more mobile-friendly so that people can move among rooms more easily
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- Dom: We have some questions!
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- - Should we allow more opportunity for last-minute session proposals?
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- - Is 60 sessions too many?
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- Dom: Thanks to Marie-Claire Forgue for organizing 14 demos at the 3:30pm break. Demos from WGs and CGs
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- ...demos provide a great way to keep tabs on what's going on in other parts of W3C, and to understand why and how these technologies are being used.
- 01:08:59 [Ian]
- ...you can also discuss them with the people who are behind the technologies.
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- ...the demos will be set up in the break room
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- Dom: Regarding final preparations:
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- -> https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2019/Demos Demos later today
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- - Any last-minute adjustments
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- - Proposal for the last session room?
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- Dom: I invite proposers to come to the front of the room to enable you to adjust the grid with minimal conflict
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- -> https://w3c.github.io/tpac-breakouts/sessions.html#future agenda page
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- Dom: While we are doing the final preparations, I invite other people to check out the final agenda at 10:30 and plan to be at your first session at 11:00
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- ...please have a look at the sessions now as I anticipate few changes
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- Please also see:
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- -> https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2019/FAQ#What_is_good_practice_for_organizing_a_session.3F Good practice for running a session
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- Dom: Organizers, please allow 5 minutes at the end of the session when people have to travel to the next session
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- Dom: A breakout proposer includes (1) people who already proposed sessions (2) people who want to propose a sessoin
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- nigel: since there is no reporting session, please make sure to take minutes
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- public service announcement: Reload today's schedule early and often--the topics, rooms, etc, have all changed (and I suppose may again)!
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- https://cryptpad.w3ctag.org/code/#/2/code/edit/5oNjMaFJJM3W8ar5LOiiLmZR/
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- thx!!
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