IRC log of dxwg on 2019-09-17
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- present+
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- present+
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- present+
- 20:05:27 [roba]
- present+
- 20:05:39 [TomB]
- present+
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- chair: kcoyle
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- meeting: DXWG plenary September 17, 2019
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- present+
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- topic: admin
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- scribenick: DaveBrowning
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- topic: minutes of last week
- 20:08:22 [riccardoAlbertoni]
- present+
- 20:09:03 [DaveBrowning]
- proposed: accept minutes of last week
- 20:09:07 [TomB]
- +1 to accept minutes
- 20:09:10 [annette_g]
- +1
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- 0
- 20:09:11 [kcoyle]
- +1
- 20:09:12 [DaveBrowning]
- +1
- 20:09:23 [riccardoAlbertoni]
- +1
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- 0
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- +0
- 20:09:51 [DaveBrowning]
- resolved: accept minutes of last week
- 20:10:15 [kcoyle]
- https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2019.09.17
- 20:10:40 [roba]
- q+
- 20:10:43 [kcoyle]
- https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/99375/DCAT_to_CR/
- 20:10:43 [DaveBrowning]
- topic: DCAT vote
- 20:11:03 [DaveBrowning]
- kcoyle: Still have some people to vote
- 20:11:33 [annette_g]
- done
- 20:12:18 [roba]
- https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/881#issuecomment-532267514
- 20:12:51 [AndreaPerego]
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- 20:12:53 [riccardoAlbertoni]
- +q
- 20:12:56 [AndreaPerego]
- present+
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- RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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- 20:13:44 [riccardoAlbertoni]
- q-
- 20:13:46 [kcoyle]
- DaveBrowning: #881 pull request, no change to the namespace; will be done at point of transition; not normative
- 20:14:18 [kcoyle]
- ... follow current practice and point to links in html, but if you ask for .ttl you will get that back
- 20:14:49 [kcoyle]
- roba: when you follow link and import seems strange; implementation behavior is not normative
- 20:15:00 [kcoyle]
- ... what happens when I import this, what do I get?
- 20:15:37 [riccardoAlbertoni]
- q+
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- ack roba
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- comment: https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/881#issuecomment-516859294
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- DaveBrowning: not part of the normative document that is under review
- 20:16:13 [riccardoAlbertoni]
- q-
- 20:16:52 [kcoyle]
- roba: if implementation level stays ok, I guess that's ok
- 20:17:07 [riccardoAlbertoni]
- q+
- 20:17:11 [kcoyle]
- DaveBrowning: ttl files and json-ld are not normative, so a secondary task
- 20:17:34 [kcoyle]
- ... depends on w3c practice on namespaces
- 20:18:31 [riccardoAlbertoni]
- q-
- 20:18:34 [kcoyle]
- roba: cardinality issues with format
- 20:18:40 [kcoyle]
- ... dct:format
- 20:19:09 [kcoyle]
- DaveBrowning: don't remember that one
- 20:19:15 [AndreaPerego]
- Probably roba refers to https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1055
- 20:20:08 [kcoyle]
- DaveBrowning: we touched on this; discussed last week; will defer for future work
- 20:20:46 [AndreaPerego]
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- 20:20:49 [kcoyle]
- q?
- 20:23:38 [kcoyle]
- DaveBrowning: will say: have put together a draft transition request - https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/wiki/DCAT:-Draft-Transition-Request-to-CR
- 20:24:25 [kcoyle]
- ... will need to make some things clearer in github to show disposition of milestones and future work
- 20:24:52 [riccardoAlbertoni]
- yes i think 1055 need to be moved in the future development
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- topic: conneg readiness for vote
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- ncar: draft includes all the changes
- 20:27:16 [PWinstanley]
- present+
- 20:27:36 [DaveBrowning]
- kcoyle: open for review now, with poll at end
- 20:27:46 [ncar]
- Conneg is ready at https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/conneg-by-ap/
- 20:28:10 [DaveBrowning]
- ... so we keep chnages to just editorial
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- s/chnages/changes/
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- kcoyle: will ask people to vote yes/no/abstain
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- ... guidance to be sent out with poll announcement
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- ncar: document good to go, no planned conneg sub-group meeting during vote
- 20:29:58 [DaveBrowning]
- ... then move to implementation report
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- ... using test tool to measure what features/risk
- 20:30:54 [roba]
- q+
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- 20:31:37 [roba]
- q-
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- q+
- 20:32:19 [DaveBrowning]
- kcoyle: state of open issues?
- 20:33:09 [DaveBrowning]
- ncar: not many - some marked nofix
- 20:33:09 [roba]
- fewer issues than DCAT - nothing substantive
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- roba: probably put DCAT profile in primer or similar
- 20:34:41 [DaveBrowning]
- ... major 'at risk' is the http/ietf approach
- 20:35:15 [DaveBrowning]
- ... perhaps need to de-scope format/profile example
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- kcoyle: Any questions for conneg before we start review/vote?
- 20:35:54 [kcoyle]
- q?
- 20:35:57 [PWinstanley]
- qa+
- 20:36:01 [PWinstanley]
- q+
- 20:36:03 [kcoyle]
- ack roba
- 20:36:16 [annette_g]
- q+
- 20:36:24 [kcoyle]
- ack PWinstanley
- 20:36:40 [antoine]
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- present+
- 20:36:55 [DaveBrowning]
- PWinstanley: Nothing wrong with marking at risk since it saves time later if a risk occurs
- 20:37:15 [DaveBrowning]
- ... If there is anything 'weak' then best to mark
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- q+ re at risk options
- 20:38:07 [kcoyle]
- ack annette_g
- 20:38:08 [antoine]
- rrsagent, please draft minutes
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- 20:38:42 [DaveBrowning]
- annette_g: Question about the feature at risk - is it the whole concept of http negotiation?
- 20:39:07 [DaveBrowning]
- roba: No, its really just the alignment with ietf
- 20:39:47 [ncar]
- q+
- 20:40:19 [kcoyle]
- ack DaveBrowning
- 20:40:19 [Zakim]
- DaveBrowning, you wanted to discuss at risk options
- 20:41:37 [roba]
- q+
- 20:41:53 [ncar]
- I have created the "Transition to CR" doc draft for Conneg: https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/wiki/Conneg:-Draft-Transition-Request-to-CR
- 20:41:59 [kcoyle]
- ack ncar
- 20:42:36 [DaveBrowning]
- ncar: Its not a requirement to use tokens in headers but its not mandatory...
- 20:42:54 [DaveBrowning]
- annette_g: actually, question was on what the rationale on why
- 20:43:47 [DaveBrowning]
- ncar: query string functionality needed something for discovery
- 20:44:07 [DaveBrowning]
- kcoyle: there is a good discussion written down, perhaps publicise
- 20:44:31 [ncar]
- token discussion in Conneg linked to from here: https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1064
- 20:45:30 [DaveBrowning]
- kcoyle: end time for vote will be next Tuesday
- 20:45:36 [kcoyle]
- ack roba
- 20:45:52 [annette_g]
- @ncar, that doesn't appear to be the right link
- 20:46:03 [DaveBrowning]
- topic: Status of profiles vocab
- 20:47:06 [DaveBrowning]
- roba: Profiles vocab has been handling comments but there is a broad lack of understanding of exchange (vs discovery)
- 20:47:13 [DaveBrowning]
- ... has meant many open issues
- 20:47:36 [DaveBrowning]
- ... that don't really impact the vocabulary
- 20:47:43 [ncar]
- PROF ED is at https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/prof/
- 20:48:00 [DaveBrowning]
- ... This suggests it would be better to call it a note rather than a rec
- 20:48:35 [DaveBrowning]
- ... rather than reduce what's in the actual document as it stands.
- 20:50:12 [DaveBrowning]
- ... spec is complete but there are many issues that need to be handled.
- 20:50:42 [DaveBrowning]
- ... so suggest that it moves as a note
- 20:51:05 [kcoyle]
- PROPOSED: Profiles vocabulary to be moved forward as a potential working group note
- 20:51:08 [riccardoAlbertoni]
- +1
- 20:51:09 [PWinstanley]
- +1
- 20:51:12 [annette_g]
- +1
- 20:51:14 [Makx_]
- +1
- 20:51:15 [DaveBrowning]
- +1
- 20:51:15 [antoine]
- +1
- 20:51:20 [TomB]
- +1
- 20:51:31 [roba]
- +1
- 20:52:06 [DaveBrowning]
- kcoyle: will still need to be voted on but have much more time
- 20:52:10 [kcoyle]
- +1
- 20:52:22 [kcoyle]
- RESOLVED: Profiles vocabulary to be moved forward as a potential working group note
- 20:52:30 [ncar]
- 0
- 20:54:02 [DaveBrowning]
- kcoyle: since effort on DCAT, conneg should drop off, it should create time to discuss profiles vocab in more depth across the WG
- 20:54:04 [TomB]
- q+ to ask why the PROF Editors' Draft https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/profilesont/ no longer resolves
- 20:54:10 [kcoyle]
- ack TomB
- 20:54:10 [Zakim]
- TomB, you wanted to ask why the PROF Editors' Draft https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/profilesont/ no longer resolves
- 20:54:24 [ncar]
- PROF ED is at https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/prof/
- 20:54:47 [Makx_]
- works for me
- 20:55:53 [DaveBrowning]
- roba: should be a re-direct but doesnt seem to work
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- kc
- 20:56:20 [DaveBrowning]
- kcoyle: if someone (roba/ncar) could contact dsr cc chairs.....
- 20:56:46 [DaveBrowning]
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- 20:58:06 [kcoyle]
- PROPOSED: All Working Group review Conneg for CR status, with final decision September 24
- 20:58:11 [riccardoAlbertoni]
- +1
- 20:58:13 [TomB]
- link to Conneg?
- 20:58:15 [PWinstanley]
- +1
- 20:58:15 [Makx_]
- +1
- 20:58:16 [ncar]
- +1
- 20:58:26 [ncar]
- https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/conneg-by-ap/
- 20:58:33 [DaveBrowning]
- +1
- 20:58:34 [kcoyle]
- +1
- 20:58:35 [roba]
- +1
- 20:58:39 [annette_g]
- does this mean any ongoing concerns won't get addressed?
- 20:58:39 [TomB]
- Is that stable enough to print out for a long flight coming up?
- 20:58:50 [TomB]
- +1
- 20:58:50 [ncar]
- yes
- 20:58:54 [TomB]
- thanks
- 20:58:58 [antoine]
- +1
- 20:59:01 [annette_g]
- -1
- 20:59:17 [roba]
- q+
- 21:00:30 [DaveBrowning]
- annette_g: Think there are open conversations issues - is there no scope to address
- 21:01:12 [DaveBrowning]
- kcoyle: there is no time left. So if there are critical issues then it would be a 'no' vote
- 21:02:10 [DaveBrowning]
- roba: what is process
- 21:02:38 [TomB]
- One possible vote is "abstain" if there is doubt, correct?
- 21:02:42 [DaveBrowning]
- kcoyle: any doubts/issues could be put on github, or talk offline and record appropriately
- 21:02:43 [annette_g]
- 0
- 21:03:11 [PWinstanley]
- +1 to TomB
- 21:03:49 [DaveBrowning]
- kcoyle: abstain is important, to show involvement (if that's applicable)
- 21:04:03 [kcoyle]
- RESOLVED: All Working Group review Conneg for CR status, with final decision September 24
- 21:04:14 [DaveBrowning]
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- 21:05:23 [riccardoAlbertoni]
- thanks all, bye!
- 21:05:24 [Makx_]
- ok bye
- 21:05:28 [annette_g]
- bye
- 21:05:30 [roba]
- bye
- 21:05:31 [PWinstanley]
- bye
- 21:05:32 [TomB]
- bye all
- 21:05:50 [antoine]
- bye
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- agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2019.09.17
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- RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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