IRC log of forms on 2019-09-11
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- Meeting: XForms Users Community Group Teleconference
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- Date: 11 September 2019
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- AgendaL https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2019Sep/0005
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- Chair: Steven
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- Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2019Sep/0006
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- Present: Alain, Erik, Steven
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- Present+Philip
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- Topic: ACTION-2254: Revise <replace/>
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- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2019Jul/0005
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- OK?
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- Steven: Speak now, or I will close these actions.
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- Topic: ACTION-2260: Change inserted-items to inserted-nodes in
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- xforms-replace event
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- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2019Jul/0007
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- OK?
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- Steven: We will discuss this shortly, but closing for now
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- Topic: Patterns for data mutations
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- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2019Jul/0008
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- OK?
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- Steven: Similarly, closing this.
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- Topic: ACTION-2262: Make insert/delete/replace text consistent with
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- readonly text [Steven]
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- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2019Sep/0005
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- This has been done. Please check.
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- Steven: Assuming this is OK.
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- Topic: ACTION-2263: Update dom text for readonly
- 13:07:06 [Steven]
- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2019Sep/0002
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- Steven: Similarly
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- Topic: ACTION-2261: Clarify what to do with merged text nodes in
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- xforms-replace event
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- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2019Sep/0007.html
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- Erik: We need to say what happens because of the merging of text nodes due to the data model.
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- ... it can happen in insert, replace and delete
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- ... What does it mean to refer us to the newly inserted nodes?
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- ... I'm not sure what the answer is.
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- ... You can imagine an implementation just caring about the result.
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- ... So in my email, I suggest three possibilities.
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- Steven: Tricky
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- ... what are the use cases?
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- Erik: The event is for detecting that there has been a mutation.
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- Steven: Yes I use that for marking that the instance data has been changed and needs saving.
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- Erik: You might want to synchronise two instances.
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- ... and in that case you would want to know what has been changed.
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- Steven: So which solution would support that bes?
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- Erik: That would exclude solution 1.
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- s/bes?/best?
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- Steven: Solution 2 might not let you distinguish between something that had been merged, and something that had been inserted.
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- ... that may mean we use solution 3, and supply the inserted things, without referring to the result.
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- Erik: We might be able to supply even more information so that you know the result of merges.
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- ... the first step would be to say that text nodes that been inserted and merged are not included in the contest informaiton
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- s/contest informaiton/context information/
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- Steven: Can I give you an action item to suggest some text?
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- Erik: Sure
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- ACTION: Erik to propose text for the merged textnodes case of insert and replace.
- 13:21:47 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-2264 - Propose text for the merged textnodes case of insert and replace. [on Erik Bruchez - due 2019-09-18].
- 13:22:11 [Steven]
- Topic: ACTION-2259: Propose text for mips on controls [Steven]
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- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2019Jun/0014
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- Steven: In progress
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- Topic: XForms and Web sockets
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- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2019Aug/0000
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- Steven: I read it. I found that there was not enough information about the <ws/> element
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- ... it does look very similar to <submet/>
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- s/met/mit/
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- Steven: And the name ws is badly chosen because it refers to the implementation and not the purpose.
- 13:24:07 [Steven]
- ... but there is clearly a use case.
- 13:25:11 [Steven]
- ... I wish I knew how our Danish colleagues did their IRC application using XForms, because clearly they could do this stuff already, apparently without a websocket interface.
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- ... What I'll do is contact them to see if they can remember how they did, and maybe even get the source.
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- ... Any otehr comments.
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- s/otehr/other/
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- Erik: I didn't get a chance to read it yet.
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- Philip: Nor did I.
- 13:27:02 [Steven]
- Steven: I'll add it to next week's discussion again.
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- ACTION: Steven to contact the Danes about IRC
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- Created ACTION-2265 - Contact the danes about irc [on Steven Pemberton - due 2019-09-18].
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- Topic: AOB
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