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12:33:44 <trackbot> Meeting: XForms Users Community Group Teleconference
12:33:44 <trackbot> Date: 11 September 2019
12:34:06 <Steven> AgendaL https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2019Sep/0005
12:34:13 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2019Sep/0005
12:34:18 <Steven> Chair: Steven
12:46:56 <Steven> s/AgendaL/Agenda:/
12:47:52 <Steven> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2019Sep/0006
12:48:10 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2019Sep/0006
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13:00:06 <Steven> Present: Alain, Erik, Steven
13:01:11 <Steven> Present+Philip
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13:04:28 <Steven> Topic: ACTION-2254: Revise <replace/>
13:04:28 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2019Jul/0005
13:04:28 <Steven> OK?
13:05:12 <Steven> Steven: Speak now, or I will close these actions.
13:05:29 <Steven> Topic: ACTION-2260: Change inserted-items to inserted-nodes in
13:05:29 <Steven> xforms-replace event
13:05:29 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2019Jul/0007
13:05:29 <Steven> OK?
13:05:57 <Steven> Steven: We will discuss this shortly, but closing for now
13:06:08 <Steven> Topic: Patterns for data mutations
13:06:08 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2019Jul/0008
13:06:08 <Steven> OK?
13:06:22 <Steven> Steven: Similarly, closing this.
13:06:36 <Steven> Topic: ACTION-2262: Make insert/delete/replace text consistent with
13:06:36 <Steven> readonly text [Steven]
13:06:36 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2019Sep/0005
13:06:36 <Steven> This has been done. Please check.
13:06:53 <Steven> Steven: Assuming this is OK.
13:07:06 <Steven> Topic: ACTION-2263: Update dom text for readonly
13:07:06 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2019Sep/0002
13:07:18 <Steven> Steven: Similarly
13:07:32 <Steven> Topic: ACTION-2261: Clarify what to do with merged text nodes in
13:07:32 <Steven> xforms-replace event
13:07:52 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2019Sep/0007.html
13:08:47 <Steven> Erik:  We need to say what happens because of the merging of text nodes due to the data model.
13:09:03 <Steven> ... it can happen in insert, replace and delete
13:09:29 <Steven> ... What does it mean to refer us to the newly inserted nodes?
13:09:39 <Steven> ... I'm not sure what the answer is.
13:10:22 <Steven> ... You can imagine an implementation just caring about the result.
13:10:35 <Steven> ... So in my email, I suggest three possibilities.
13:12:32 <Steven> Steven: Tricky
13:13:08 <Steven> ... what are the use cases?
13:13:50 <Steven> Erik: The event is for detecting that there has been a mutation.
13:14:05 <Steven> Steven: Yes I use that for marking that the instance data has been changed and needs saving.
13:14:31 <Steven> Erik: You might want to synchronise two instances.
13:14:53 <Steven> ... and in that case you would want to know what has been changed.
13:15:44 <Steven> Steven: So which solution would support that bes?
13:15:51 <Steven> Erik: That would exclude solution 1.
13:15:59 <Steven> s/bes?/best?
13:17:08 <Steven> Steven: Solution 2 might not let you distinguish between something that had been merged, and something that had been inserted.
13:18:49 <Steven> ... that may mean we use solution 3, and supply the inserted things, without referring to the result.
13:19:21 <Steven> Erik: We might be able to supply even more information so that you know the result of merges.
13:20:11 <Steven> ... the first step would be to say that text nodes that been inserted and merged are not included in the contest informaiton
13:20:40 <Steven> s/contest informaiton/context information/
13:21:28 <Steven> Steven: Can I give you an action item to suggest some text?
13:21:30 <Steven> Erik: Sure
13:21:47 <Steven> ACTION: Erik to propose text for the merged textnodes case of insert and replace.
13:21:47 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2264 - Propose text for the merged textnodes case of insert and replace. [on Erik Bruchez - due 2019-09-18].
13:22:11 <Steven> Topic: ACTION-2259: Propose text for mips on controls [Steven]
13:22:11 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2019Jun/0014
13:22:15 <Steven> Steven: In progress
13:22:28 <Steven> Topic: XForms and Web sockets
13:22:28 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2019Aug/0000
13:22:55 <Steven> Steven: I read it. I found that there was not enough information about the <ws/> element
13:23:12 <Steven> ... it does look very similar to <submet/>
13:23:17 <Steven> s/met/mit/
13:23:51 <Steven> Steven: And the name ws is badly chosen because it refers to the implementation and not the purpose.
13:24:07 <Steven> ... but there is clearly a use case.
13:25:11 <Steven> ... I wish I knew how our Danish colleagues did their IRC application using XForms, because clearly they could do this stuff already, apparently without a websocket interface.
13:25:53 <Steven> ... What I'll do is contact them to see if they can remember how they did, and maybe even get the source.
13:26:01 <Steven> ... Any otehr comments.
13:26:14 <Steven> s/otehr/other/
13:26:37 <Steven> Erik: I didn't get a chance to read it yet.
13:26:51 <Steven> Philip: Nor did I.
13:27:02 <Steven> Steven: I'll add it to next week's discussion again.
13:27:18 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to contact the Danes about IRC
13:27:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2265 - Contact the danes about irc [on Steven Pemberton - due 2019-09-18].
13:27:34 <Steven> Topic: AOB
13:27:42 <Steven> [None]
13:27:49 <Steven> [ADJOURN]
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