IRC log of apa on 2019-09-11
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- Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 11 September 2019
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- agedna?
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- agenda?
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- present+
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- chair: janina
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- agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements agenda+Next & Future Meetings -- Remainder of September agenda+TPAC 2019 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2019 agenda+ Workshop Updates agenda+Task Force Updates agenda+Horizontal reviews https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) http[CUT]
- 15:59:04 [janina]
- agenda?
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- zakim, clear agenda
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- agenda cleared
- 15:59:30 [Matthew_Atkinson]
- agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
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- agenda+Next & Future Meetings -- Remainder of September
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- agenda+TPAC 2019 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2019
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- agenda+ Workshop Updates
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- agenda+Task Force Updates
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- agenda+Horizontal reviews https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22
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- agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
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- agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8
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- agenda+Community Groups Tracking Review https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Community_Groups
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- agenda+ Other Business
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- agenda+ be done
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- present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
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- present+
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- present+
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- agenda?
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- present+
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- Zakim, next item
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- agendum 1. "Agenda Review & Announcements" taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
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- present+
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- Zakim, next item
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- agendum 2. "Next & Future Meetings -- Remainder of September" taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
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- Janina: TPAC is next week, lots scheduled, with a small amount of open time later on the Friday.
- 16:07:52 [Matthew_Atkinson]
- Janina: no APA call in the week after TPAC; next will be the 2nd of October.
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- Janina: the agenda page for TPAC on the wiki provides info for people joining remotely, and background material.
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- Zakim, next item
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- agendum 3. "TPAC 2019 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2019" taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
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- Zakim, close this item
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- agendum 3 closed
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- I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 4. Workshop Updates [from Matthew_Atkinson]
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- Zakim, next item
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- agendum 4. "Workshop Updates" taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
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- Janina: is attending the workshop on data models for transportation workshop.
- 16:11:12 [Matthew_Atkinson]
- Janina: (is going to be providing accessibility examples and advice)
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- Janina: Looking to develop schemas that consider accessibility requirements.
- 16:12:47 [Matthew_Atkinson]
- Janina: (one good example is providing the ability to pay via the app, to negate currency issues. Other issues include communicating users' accessibility needs to drivers in advance of a ride)
- 16:13:55 [Becka11y]
- https://www.w3.org/auto/events/data-ws-2019/
- 16:13:59 [Matthew_Atkinson]
- Michael: It's a good thing to identify users' needs in advance. Could there be a risk of discrinmation however?
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- Janina: Perhpas the needs could be communicated after acceptance?
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- Zakim, next item
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- agendum 5. "Task Force Updates" taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
- 16:15:57 [Joshue108_]
- s/Perhpas/Perhaps
- 16:16:17 [joanie]
- q+ To ask if we need to coordinate re CSS
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- Janina: TFs are represented in the TPAC agenda well, and as much as possible.
- 16:17:35 [Joshue108_]
- agenda?
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- Janina: A meeting with COGA regarding the correct identification of symbollic and sign languages (i.e. ISO codes) has been recently added to the schedule.
- 16:18:25 [Joshue108_]
- q+ to ask about co-ord with TAG at TPAC
- 16:18:47 [joanie]
- ack me
- 16:18:47 [Zakim]
- joanie, you wanted to ask if we need to coordinate re CSS
- 16:18:58 [Matthew_Atkinson]
- Joanie: CSS discussion was mentioned, relevant to this topic.
- 16:19:47 [Matthew_Atkinson]
- Ian: (wanted to check if we're happy with the agenda for the talk around CSS)
- 16:20:19 [Matthew_Atkinson]
- Janina: the order of the agenda for the hour isn't yet fully decided; need to look into this.
- 16:21:12 [Matthew_Atkinson]
- Janina: the meeting will be in the CSS room, so the WebEx logistics will be those for that room.
- 16:21:58 [IanPouncey]
- https://github.com/w3c/css-aam/issues/3
- 16:23:49 [Matthew_Atkinson]
- Ian: Re creation of CSS AAM, Joanie has volunteered to be a co-editor; need another, ideally from the CSS group.
- 16:25:12 [Matthew_Atkinson]
- Ian: This is the biggest issue; expect to take up to 50% of the meeting (less if all are in agreement).
- 16:25:51 [Matthew_Atkinson]
- Janina: (asks about the time on deciding /what/ needs to be mapped to the accessibility APIs.)
- 16:26:55 [Matthew_Atkinson]
- Janina: (suggests we focus on recruiting in this discussion)
- 16:27:16 [Matthew_Atkinson]
- Janina: what expertise do we need in order to decide on the row labels for the AAM table (i.e. what needs to be mapped)?
- 16:29:17 [Matthew_Atkinson]
- Joanie: Direction on that needed from CSS. We already have some contacts that may be used to help populate the table, agrees the main issue is the /what/ that needs to be mapped. May find differing opinions on what the end-user experience needs to be. There already are things that are exposed. E.g. if a screen-reader developer feels they need some information exposed, they file an issue on the browser, and this has happened, but is not stan[CUT]
- 16:30:19 [Matthew_Atkinson]
- Ian: (notes that one of the links from the above issue is an issue in the CSS repo that presents a good example of a driver for AAM - text transform)
- 16:31:18 [Matthew_Atkinson]
- Joanie: What goes in an AAM is how to expose X to ATK, UIA, ... - however, in the case of text transforms, the text has already been exposed as being all-caps, so this may not be a good example of an accessibility-specific thing to map.
- 16:32:51 [Matthew_Atkinson]
- Ian: May need to discuss further with CSS, this was something that contributed to starting the discussion.
- 16:33:26 [Matthew_Atkinson]
- Janina: (suggests a specific agendum for text transforms, to continue this discussion; Joanie agrees)
- 16:34:44 [Matthew_Atkinson]
- Ian: Gap analysis of CSS speech
- 16:35:04 [Matthew_Atkinson]
- Janina: (suggests 5min for this, to summarise the gap analysis; Ian agrees)
- 16:35:52 [Matthew_Atkinson]
- Ian: Mechanism for controlling animation. Is CSS the right place to afford this? Details as to how could be a longer discussion.
- 16:36:49 [Matthew_Atkinson]
- Janina: CSS provides many features for authors. Could also provide features for users to control presentation - the example of animation control being a good one.
- 16:37:15 [Matthew_Atkinson]
- Janina: this started being thought of as a vision issue; also is cognitive.
- 16:37:30 [Matthew_Atkinson]
- Janina: another example is abilty to mute sounds.
- 16:38:26 [Matthew_Atkinson]
- Janina: we need not put this in WCAG, as a regulatory solution, seems that it should be possible to adopt a technological solution. Other examples include controlling interlinear and inter-word spacing (including punctuation).
- 16:38:47 [Matthew_Atkinson]
- Ian: (suggests 20min; Janina agrees)
- 16:39:00 [Matthew_Atkinson]
- Ian: Clarify effect of list styling on speech output.
- 16:40:24 [Matthew_Atkinson]
- Janina: (filed the issue; suggests it can be dropped; allows more room for other topics; could revisit if time)
- 16:42:16 [Joshue108_]
- ack me
- 16:42:16 [Zakim]
- Joshue108_, you wanted to ask about co-ord with TAG at TPAC
- 16:42:23 [Matthew_Atkinson]
- s/filed/suggested/
- 16:43:03 [Matthew_Atkinson]
- Josh: (TAG presence being organised)
- 16:45:20 [Matthew_Atkinson]
- Zakim, next item
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- agendum 6. "Horizontal reviews https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22" taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
- 16:46:27 [Matthew_Atkinson]
- Zakim, close this item
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- agendum 6 closed
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- I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 7. new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html [from Matthew_Atkinson]
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- Zakim, next item
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- agendum 7. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html" taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
- 16:47:08 [Becka11y]
- scribe: becka11y
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- Matthew: posted to the list a possible process for reviewing the HTML spec updates;
- 16:48:21 [Becka11y]
- Matthew: there is a substantial amount to review (so large git can’t preview)
- 16:48:42 [Becka11y]
- Janina: this will be a problem for all groups that need to review
- 16:49:35 [Becka11y]
- Matthew: if the proposed process looks good - I can take a stab at implementing
- 16:50:12 [MichaelC]
- action: atkinson to review HTML 2019-07
- 16:50:13 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-2210 - Review html 2019-07 [on Matthew Atkinson - due 2019-09-18].
- 16:50:19 [MichaelC]
- action-2210: https://html.spec.whatwg.org/review-drafts/2019-07/
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- Notes added to action-2210 Review html 2019-07.
- 16:50:25 [Becka11y]
- Janina: I will talk about the issue of how to review HTML spec at TPAC since it affects many groups and needs input from other W3C groups
- 16:50:56 [Becka11y]
- Janina: I will help review
- 16:51:02 [MichaelC]
- action-2210: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/HTML_2019-07
- 16:51:02 [trackbot]
- Notes added to action-2210 Review html 2019-07.
- 16:51:14 [MichaelC]
- action-2210 due 31 Oct
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- Set action-2210 Review html 2019-07 due date to 2019-10-31.
- 16:51:27 [MichaelC]
- action: janina to review HTML 2019-07
- 16:51:27 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-2211 - Review html 2019-07 [on Janina Sajka - due 2019-09-18].
- 16:51:41 [MichaelC]
- action-2211: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/HTML_2019-07
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- Notes added to action-2211 Review html 2019-07.
- 16:51:48 [MichaelC]
- action-2211: https://html.spec.whatwg.org/review-drafts/2019-07/
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- Notes added to action-2211 Review html 2019-07.
- 16:51:54 [MichaelC]
- action-2211 due 31 Oct
- 16:51:56 [trackbot]
- Set action-2211 Review html 2019-07 due date to 2019-10-31.
- 16:52:44 [Becka11y]
- Michael: 3 pronounciation docs - we already approved ;-)
- 16:53:09 [MichaelC]
- https://www.w3.org/TR/FileAPI/ File API
- 16:54:58 [MichaelC]
- action: janina to draft accessibility impact statement for File API
- 16:54:58 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-2212 - Draft accessibility impact statement for file api [on Janina Sajka - due 2019-09-18].
- 16:55:13 [Matthew_Atkinson]
- Joanie: Janina: Michael: (the spec only covers non-UI issues; however impact statement may be of help)
- 16:56:15 [MichaelC]
- -> https://www.w3.org/TR/security-privacy-questionnaire/ Self-Review Questionnaire: Security and Privacy
- 16:56:43 [Matthew_Atkinson]
- Michael: There may be privacy/fingerprinting issues, so perhaps should review (group agrees to leave open for now)
- 16:57:03 [MichaelC]
- -> https://www.w3.org/TR/verifiable-claims-data-model/ Verifiable Credentials Data Model 1.0
- 16:58:04 [Matthew_Atkinson]
- (group agrees to leave the above open, as well as Web of Things)
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- Zakim, next item
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- agendum 8. "Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8" taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
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- Zakim, close this item
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- agendum 8 closed
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- I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 9. Community Groups Tracking Review https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Community_Groups [from Matthew_Atkinson]
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- Zakim, next item
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- agendum 9. "Community Groups Tracking Review https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Community_Groups" taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
- 16:59:50 [Matthew_Atkinson]
- Zakim, close this item
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- agendum 9 closed
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- Zakim, next item
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- I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 10. Other Business [from Matthew_Atkinson]
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- agendum 10. "Other Business" taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
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- janina has changed the topic to: APA at TPAC 2019
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