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15:53:25 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
15:53:25 <trackbot> Date: 11 September 2019
15:53:29 <janina> agedna?
15:53:36 <janina> agenda?
15:54:04 <janina> present+
15:54:08 <janina> chair: janina
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15:58:23 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements agenda+	Next & Future Meetings -- Remainder of September agenda+	TPAC 2019 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2019 agenda+ Workshop Updates agenda+	Task Force Updates agenda+	Horizontal reviews https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) http[CUT]
15:59:04 <janina> agenda?
15:59:14 <janina> zakim, clear agenda
15:59:14 <Zakim> agenda cleared
15:59:30 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
15:59:34 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+	Next & Future Meetings -- Remainder of September
15:59:39 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+	TPAC 2019 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2019
15:59:43 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ Workshop Updates
15:59:48 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+	Task Force Updates
15:59:52 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+	Horizontal reviews https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22
15:59:56 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
16:00:00 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8
16:00:04 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+	Community Groups Tracking Review https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Community_Groups
16:00:08 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ Other Business
16:00:12 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ be done
16:01:02 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
16:01:26 <Matthew_Atkinson> present+
16:01:59 <MichaelC> present+
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16:03:57 <interaccess> agenda?
16:04:05 <interaccess> present+
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16:05:19 <Matthew_Atkinson> Zakim, next item
16:05:19 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Agenda Review & Announcements" taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
16:06:04 <IanPouncey> present+
16:06:27 <Matthew_Atkinson> Zakim, next item
16:06:27 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Next & Future Meetings -- Remainder of September" taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
16:07:33 <Matthew_Atkinson> Janina: TPAC is next week, lots scheduled, with a small amount of open time later on the Friday.
16:07:52 <Matthew_Atkinson> Janina: no APA call in the week after TPAC; next will be the 2nd of October.
16:08:45 <Matthew_Atkinson> Janina: the agenda page for TPAC on the wiki provides info for people joining remotely, and background material.
16:08:54 <Matthew_Atkinson> Zakim, next item
16:08:54 <Zakim> agendum 3. "TPAC 2019 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2019" taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
16:09:25 <Matthew_Atkinson> Zakim, close this item
16:09:25 <Zakim> agendum 3 closed
16:09:26 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:09:26 <Zakim> 4. Workshop Updates [from Matthew_Atkinson]
16:09:35 <Matthew_Atkinson> Zakim, next item
16:09:35 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Workshop Updates" taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
16:10:47 <Matthew_Atkinson> Janina: is attending the workshop on data models for transportation workshop.
16:11:12 <Matthew_Atkinson> Janina: (is going to be providing accessibility examples and advice)
16:11:50 <Matthew_Atkinson> Janina: Looking to develop schemas that consider accessibility requirements.
16:12:47 <Matthew_Atkinson> Janina: (one good example is providing the ability to pay via the app, to negate currency issues. Other issues include communicating users' accessibility needs to drivers in advance of a ride)
16:13:55 <Becka11y> https://www.w3.org/auto/events/data-ws-2019/
16:13:59 <Matthew_Atkinson> Michael: It's a good thing to identify users' needs in advance. Could there be a risk of discrinmation however?
16:14:16 <Matthew_Atkinson> Janina: Perhpas the needs could be communicated after acceptance?
16:14:34 <Matthew_Atkinson> Zakim, next item
16:14:34 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Task Force Updates" taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
16:15:57 <Joshue108_> s/Perhpas/Perhaps
16:16:17 <joanie> q+ To ask if we need to coordinate re CSS
16:16:44 <Matthew_Atkinson> Janina: TFs are represented in the TPAC agenda well, and as much as possible.
16:17:35 <Joshue108_> agenda?
16:17:41 <Matthew_Atkinson> Janina: A meeting with COGA regarding the correct identification of symbollic and sign languages (i.e. ISO codes) has been recently added to the schedule.
16:18:25 <Joshue108_> q+ to ask about co-ord with TAG at TPAC
16:18:47 <joanie> ack me
16:18:47 <Zakim> joanie, you wanted to ask if we need to coordinate re CSS
16:18:58 <Matthew_Atkinson> Joanie: CSS discussion was mentioned, relevant to this topic.
16:19:47 <Matthew_Atkinson> Ian: (wanted to check if we're happy with the agenda for the talk around CSS)
16:20:19 <Matthew_Atkinson> Janina: the order of the agenda for the hour isn't yet fully decided; need to look into this.
16:21:12 <Matthew_Atkinson> Janina: the meeting will be in the CSS room, so the WebEx logistics will be those for that room.
16:21:58 <IanPouncey> https://github.com/w3c/css-aam/issues/3
16:23:49 <Matthew_Atkinson> Ian: Re creation of CSS AAM, Joanie has volunteered to be a co-editor; need another, ideally from the CSS group.
16:25:12 <Matthew_Atkinson> Ian: This is the biggest issue; expect to take up to 50% of the meeting (less if all are in agreement).
16:25:51 <Matthew_Atkinson> Janina: (asks about the time on deciding /what/ needs to be mapped to the accessibility APIs.)
16:26:55 <Matthew_Atkinson> Janina: (suggests we focus on recruiting in this discussion)
16:27:16 <Matthew_Atkinson> Janina: what expertise do we need in order to decide on the row labels for the AAM table (i.e. what needs to be mapped)?
16:29:17 <Matthew_Atkinson> Joanie: Direction on that needed from CSS. We already have some contacts that may be used to help populate the table, agrees the main issue is the /what/ that needs to be mapped. May find differing opinions on what the end-user experience needs to be. There already are things that are exposed. E.g. if a screen-reader developer feels they need some information exposed, they file an issue on the browser, and this has happened, but is not stan[CUT]
16:30:19 <Matthew_Atkinson> Ian: (notes that one of the links from the above issue is an issue in the CSS repo that presents a good example of a driver for AAM - text transform)
16:31:18 <Matthew_Atkinson> Joanie: What goes in an AAM is how to expose X to ATK, UIA, ... - however, in the case of text transforms, the text has already been exposed as being all-caps, so this may not be a good example of an accessibility-specific thing to map.
16:32:51 <Matthew_Atkinson> Ian: May need to discuss further with CSS, this was something that contributed to starting the discussion.
16:33:26 <Matthew_Atkinson> Janina: (suggests a specific agendum for text transforms, to continue this discussion; Joanie agrees)
16:34:44 <Matthew_Atkinson> Ian: Gap analysis of CSS speech
16:35:04 <Matthew_Atkinson> Janina: (suggests 5min for this, to summarise the gap analysis; Ian agrees)
16:35:52 <Matthew_Atkinson> Ian: Mechanism for controlling animation. Is CSS the right place to afford this? Details as to how could be a longer discussion.
16:36:49 <Matthew_Atkinson> Janina: CSS provides many features for authors. Could also provide features for users to control presentation - the example of animation control being a good one.
16:37:15 <Matthew_Atkinson> Janina: this started being thought of as a vision issue; also is cognitive.
16:37:30 <Matthew_Atkinson> Janina: another example is abilty to mute sounds.
16:38:26 <Matthew_Atkinson> Janina: we need not put this in WCAG, as a regulatory solution, seems that it should be possible to adopt a technological solution. Other examples include controlling interlinear and inter-word spacing (including punctuation).
16:38:47 <Matthew_Atkinson> Ian: (suggests 20min; Janina agrees)
16:39:00 <Matthew_Atkinson> Ian: Clarify effect of list styling on speech output.
16:40:24 <Matthew_Atkinson> Janina: (filed the issue; suggests it can be dropped; allows more room for other topics; could revisit if time)
16:42:16 <Joshue108_> ack me
16:42:16 <Zakim> Joshue108_, you wanted to ask about co-ord with TAG at TPAC
16:42:23 <Matthew_Atkinson> s/filed/suggested/
16:43:03 <Matthew_Atkinson> Josh: (TAG presence being organised)
16:45:20 <Matthew_Atkinson> Zakim, next item
16:45:20 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Horizontal reviews https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22" taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
16:46:27 <Matthew_Atkinson> Zakim, close this item
16:46:27 <Zakim> agendum 6 closed
16:46:28 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:46:28 <Zakim> 7. new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html [from Matthew_Atkinson]
16:46:29 <Matthew_Atkinson> Zakim, next item
16:46:30 <Zakim> agendum 7. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html" taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
16:47:08 <Becka11y> scribe: becka11y
16:47:50 <Becka11y> Matthew:  posted to the list a possible process for reviewing the HTML spec updates;
16:48:21 <Becka11y> Matthew: there is a substantial amount to review (so large git can’t preview)
16:48:42 <Becka11y> Janina: this will be a problem for all groups that need to review
16:49:35 <Becka11y> Matthew: if the proposed process looks good - I can take a stab at implementing
16:50:12 <MichaelC> action: atkinson to review HTML 2019-07
16:50:13 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2210 - Review html 2019-07 [on Matthew Atkinson - due 2019-09-18].
16:50:19 <MichaelC> action-2210: https://html.spec.whatwg.org/review-drafts/2019-07/
16:50:19 <trackbot> Notes added to action-2210 Review html 2019-07.
16:50:25 <Becka11y> Janina: I will talk about the issue of how to review HTML spec  at TPAC since it affects many groups and needs input from other W3C groups
16:50:56 <Becka11y> Janina: I will help review
16:51:02 <MichaelC> action-2210: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/HTML_2019-07
16:51:02 <trackbot> Notes added to action-2210 Review html 2019-07.
16:51:14 <MichaelC> action-2210 due 31 Oct
16:51:14 <trackbot> Set action-2210 Review html 2019-07 due date to 2019-10-31.
16:51:27 <MichaelC> action: janina to review HTML 2019-07
16:51:27 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2211 - Review html 2019-07 [on Janina Sajka - due 2019-09-18].
16:51:41 <MichaelC> action-2211: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/HTML_2019-07
16:51:41 <trackbot> Notes added to action-2211 Review html 2019-07.
16:51:48 <MichaelC> action-2211: https://html.spec.whatwg.org/review-drafts/2019-07/
16:51:48 <trackbot> Notes added to action-2211 Review html 2019-07.
16:51:54 <MichaelC> action-2211 due 31 Oct
16:51:56 <trackbot> Set action-2211 Review html 2019-07 due date to 2019-10-31.
16:52:44 <Becka11y> Michael: 3 pronounciation docs - we already approved ;-)
16:53:09 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/FileAPI/ File API
16:54:58 <MichaelC> action: janina to draft accessibility impact statement for File API
16:54:58 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2212 - Draft accessibility impact statement for file api [on Janina Sajka - due 2019-09-18].
16:55:13 <Matthew_Atkinson> Joanie: Janina: Michael: (the spec only covers non-UI issues; however impact statement may be of help)
16:56:15 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/security-privacy-questionnaire/ Self-Review Questionnaire: Security and Privacy
16:56:43 <Matthew_Atkinson> Michael: There may be privacy/fingerprinting issues, so perhaps should review (group agrees to leave open for now)
16:57:03 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/verifiable-claims-data-model/ Verifiable Credentials Data Model 1.0
16:58:04 <Matthew_Atkinson> (group agrees to leave the above open, as well as Web of Things)
16:59:14 <Matthew_Atkinson> Zakim, next item
16:59:14 <Zakim> agendum 8. "Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8" taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
16:59:34 <Matthew_Atkinson> Zakim, close this item
16:59:34 <Zakim> agendum 8 closed
16:59:35 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:59:35 <Zakim> 9. Community Groups Tracking Review https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Community_Groups [from Matthew_Atkinson]
16:59:36 <Matthew_Atkinson> Zakim, next item
16:59:37 <Zakim> agendum 9. "Community Groups Tracking Review https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Community_Groups" taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
16:59:50 <Matthew_Atkinson> Zakim, close this item
16:59:50 <Zakim> agendum 9 closed
16:59:51 <Matthew_Atkinson> Zakim, next item
16:59:52 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:59:52 <Zakim> 10. Other Business [from Matthew_Atkinson]
16:59:52 <Zakim> agendum 10. "Other Business" taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
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17:01:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/09/11-apa-minutes.html Becka11y
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18:13:10 <janina> janina has changed the topic to: APA at TPAC 2019
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