IRC log of wot-pf on 2019-09-10

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07:02:32 [kaz]
Meeting: WoT PlugFest - Online PlugFest
07:03:46 [kaz]
present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_Lagally, Hiroki_Endo, Masaya_Ikeo, Kunihiko_Toumura, Takahisa_Suzuki
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scribenick: kaz
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Agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/PlugFest_WebConf#Agenda_10.09.2019
07:09:36 [kaz]
topic: Agenda
07:09:51 [kaz]
ml: (goes through the agenda at: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/PlugFest_WebConf#Agenda_10.09.2019 )
07:10:20 [kaz]
... which devices, test cases to prioritize?
07:10:25 [kaz]
... simple communication test
07:10:33 [kaz]
present+ Michael_McCool
07:11:21 [kaz]
mm: (points out some problem with the online-plugfest.md file)
07:11:27 [kaz]
-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/master/plugfest/2019-tpac-fukuoka/online-plugfest.md online-plugfest.md
07:12:37 [kaz]
topic: Round table: which devices, test cases to prioritized?
07:12:57 [kaz]
s/topic: Round table: which devices, test cases to prioritized?//
07:13:12 [kaz]
ml: and then we should discuss F2F/PlugFest logistics
07:13:24 [kaz]
... including demo/breakout setting
07:13:35 [kaz]
... anything else for today?
07:13:57 [kaz]
mm: need to leave around 5:30pm
07:14:38 [kaz]
topic: Round table: which devices, test cases to prioritized?
07:14:45 [kaz]
ml: let's see the TDs
07:14:50 [kaz]
present+ Ege_Korkan
07:15:39 [kaz]
(Ege joins)
07:15:56 [kaz]
ek: would invite one of the students to this call
07:16:00 [kaz]
ml: ok
07:16:33 [kaz]
-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/tree/master/plugfest/2019-tpac-fukuoka/TDs/Fujitsu Fujitsu's TDs
07:16:44 [kaz]
ts: remote devices and local devices
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07:17:08 [kaz]
present+ Christian_Glomb
07:17:50 [kaz]
-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/tree/master/plugfest/2019-tpac-fukuoka/TDs/Fujitsu/cloud Fujitsu's remote devices
07:18:41 [mlagally]
Fujitsu: Fujitsu-WiFiSensor-3C71BF4253EC.jsonld, Fujitsu-Buzzerjsonld, Mozilla-LED.jsonld
07:19:11 [kaz]
q+
07:19:42 [kaz]
ml: how to check if the device works?
07:19:47 [kaz]
... are you on hangout?
07:19:57 [kaz]
ts: I'm on Panasonic hangout
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07:20:34 [kaz]
kaz: is the information available to everybody?
07:20:37 [kaz]
ml: yes
07:21:04 [kaz]
ts: (shows Fujitsu's devices on hangout)
07:22:16 [kaz]
kaz: just to make sure
07:23:03 [kaz]
... does the cloud.md table include the information of devices on the local.md?
07:23:26 [kaz]
ts: Fujitsu's devices are connected to both the local proxy and the remote proxy
07:23:42 [kaz]
... that's why there is the same information on the local devices on both the pages
07:23:44 [kaz]
kaz: got it
07:24:19 [kaz]
-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/tree/master/plugfest/2019-tpac-fukuoka/TDs/Intel Intel's TDs
07:24:49 [kaz]
mm: web cam and speech interface
07:24:54 [kaz]
ack k
07:25:15 [kaz]
q+ to ask about the relationship between intel-speak.json and intel-speak.jsonld
07:26:04 [kaz]
mm: longpoll grabs the image every 10 sec
07:26:15 [kaz]
ml: which of the entries works?
07:26:24 [kaz]
mm: all of them work
07:26:51 [kaz]
ml: do people have credentials for this?
07:26:56 [kaz]
mm: on the README.md
07:27:48 [kaz]
... links to the Member archived credentials
07:28:03 [kaz]
... also links to concrete TDs
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07:28:55 [kaz]
mm: you have to post for speech
07:29:14 [kaz]
ml: we should use the basic credential
07:29:22 [kaz]
ek: where is the information?
07:29:40 [kaz]
mm: there is links on README.md
07:29:53 [kaz]
... will add clarification on the basic authentication
07:30:45 [kaz]
kaz: JPEG image is broken
07:30:57 [kaz]
mm: will fix
07:31:21 [kaz]
kaz: and relationship between JSON and JSON-LD for speech?
07:31:31 [kaz]
mm: just update the device IP address
07:31:37 [kaz]
... please use the JSON version
07:32:00 [kaz]
-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/tree/master/plugfest/2019-tpac-fukuoka/TDs/Oracle Oracle's TDs
07:32:13 [kaz]
ml: (show the animation of the virtual devices)
07:32:43 [kaz]
s/virtual devices/Oracle IoT digital twin simulator/
07:32:56 [kaz]
... very simple model of the pump
07:33:22 [kaz]
... please let me know if you need another one
07:35:33 [kaz]
... (goes through the list of TDs)
07:35:56 [kaz]
... you can log in and use the devices
07:36:09 [kaz]
q?
07:36:12 [kaz]
ack k
07:36:12 [Zakim]
kaz, you wanted to ask about the relationship between intel-speak.json and intel-speak.jsonld
07:36:15 [kaz]
q+
07:36:27 [kaz]
ts: tried to use the TD this morning
07:37:04 [kaz]
... problem with href URL
07:37:28 [kaz]
ml: sorry
07:37:32 [kaz]
... need to update the TD
07:38:23 [kaz]
kaz: what is the difference among all the Blue_Pump_*?
07:38:35 [kaz]
ml: specific instance for each vendor
07:39:06 [kaz]
present+ Verena_Schlott, Ryuichi_Matsukura
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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/tree/master/plugfest/2019-tpac-fukuoka/TDs/Panasonic Panasonic's TDs
07:40:09 [kaz]
ml: Toru-san is not available yet
07:40:23 [kaz]
kaz: what about NHK, Siemens and TUM?
07:40:35 [kaz]
cg: not prepared yet
07:40:49 [kaz]
... planning to provide electric charger simulator
07:41:11 [kaz]
kaz: hardware-based or software-based?
07:41:17 [kaz]
cg: software-based one
07:41:27 [kaz]
kaz: tx
07:41:44 [kaz]
cg: today, I'm mainly observing
07:41:54 [kaz]
... already got interesting information
07:42:29 [kaz]
kaz: do you think you can join the demo prep on Sunday?
07:44:06 [kaz]
cg: not available but will be there on Tuesday
07:44:32 [kaz]
mm: Intel and Siemens want to work on Tuesday at the W3C Team room
07:44:40 [kaz]
kaz: will double check with Naomi about that
07:44:51 [kaz]
ml: what about TUM?
07:45:05 [kaz]
... Ege or Verena?
07:45:37 [kaz]
... what kind of TDs are you planning to provide?
07:45:51 [kaz]
vs: we'll provide just clients
07:46:23 [kaz]
ek: can't access the devices at TUM from Fukuoka this time...
07:46:33 [kaz]
ml: what about NHK?
07:46:56 [kaz]
he: we don't provide TDs
07:46:58 [ege]
Just for correction, I will be bringing the physically with me to Fukuoka
07:47:08 [kaz]
... only application client on TV
07:47:19 [kaz]
q?
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ack k
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q+ to ask Ege for clarification
07:48:08 [kaz]
ml: which devices/TDs are you planning to use?
07:48:40 [kaz]
kaz: are you planning to get connected with Fujitsu and Panasonic?
07:49:00 [kaz]
he: Panasonic gateway and Fujitsu proxy
07:49:08 [kaz]
kaz: and what is your target devices?
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07:49:41 [kaz]
he: Panasonic's robot cleaner
07:49:56 [kaz]
ml: ok
07:50:10 [kaz]
... regarding clients, how many applications do we have?
07:50:20 [kaz]
... TUM, Hitachi, NHK, ...
07:50:25 [kaz]
... three client applications?
07:51:16 [kaz]
i/regarding/topic: Client applications/
07:51:45 [kaz]
ml: application developers can check the connectivity of their using devices/TDs
07:52:28 [kaz]
ml: Endo-san, can you check Fujitsu's device? or Panasonic one?
07:52:36 [kaz]
he: Panasonic robot cleaner
07:53:07 [kaz]
... can show the video using hangout
07:53:32 [kaz]
... our application runs/synchronizes with TV
07:55:03 [kaz]
(Endo-san prepares for his demo)
07:55:09 [kaz]
kaz: question for Ege
07:55:22 [kaz]
... will you provide your TDs later?
07:55:26 [kaz]
ek: will do
07:56:44 [kaz]
topic: Connection test
07:57:08 [kaz]
ml: need to fix Oracle's TDs
07:58:53 [mlagally]
https://hangouts.google.com/call/zMIBFnSSTxd4KpiLcP5DAAEI
08:00:06 [kaz]
ml: it seems there are two kinds of hangouts...
08:00:31 [kaz]
... one on the README and another by Panasonic
08:00:51 [kaz]
... we should use Panasonic's one given they're not here and can't change the setting
08:02:47 [kaz]
(15-min break)
08:03:12 [kaz]
s|https://hangouts.google.com/call/zMIBFnSSTxd4KpiLcP5DAAEI||
08:03:18 [kaz]
rrsagent, make log public
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/09/10-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
08:08:45 [mlagally]
@toumura-san: Please try wot/plugfest/2019-tpac-fukuoka/TDs/Oracle/Blue_Pump_Hitachi.jsonld
08:12:28 [kaz]
tou: tried the updated TD
08:12:36 [kaz]
... but there is some authentication problem
08:12:49 [kaz]
... the error code is returned to the server
08:13:01 [kaz]
... could you please check what's happening?
08:13:10 [kaz]
ml: ok, thanks for your feedback
08:21:05 [kaz]
(2nd session starts)
08:21:16 [kaz]
topic: Connection test
08:21:38 [kaz]
ml: who here can show your applications today?
08:21:47 [kaz]
ek: trying security devices
08:22:05 [kaz]
... need some debugging for now
08:22:11 [kaz]
ml: ok
08:22:47 [kaz]
kaz: do you want to try today, Sunday or Tuesday?
08:22:54 [kaz]
ek: good question
08:23:05 [kaz]
... can show node-wot testing today
08:23:33 [kaz]
ml: note tat we're test interoperability
08:23:40 [kaz]
... what about Toumura-san?
08:23:47 [kaz]
tou: can show simple demo
08:24:02 [kaz]
... can I share my screen?
08:24:05 [kaz]
ml: yes, please
08:24:12 [kaz]
topic: Hitachi
08:24:20 [kaz]
s/Hitachi/Hitach application/
08:24:36 [kaz]
tou: simple test connection for each device
08:24:45 [kaz]
... Fujitsu, Panasonic, Oracle, ...
08:25:28 [kaz]
... can get connected with devices in Kanazawa
08:25:53 [kaz]
... also USB buzzer light, rotary beacon, etc.
08:26:07 [kaz]
... but can't get connect with Mozilla yet due to a bug
08:26:09 [kaz]
... will fix it
08:26:47 [kaz]
... would create an application to show camera's video
08:26:57 [kaz]
... also the speech device works
08:27:25 [kaz]
... can get connected with Panasonic devices as well
08:27:35 [kaz]
... also some dashboard display
08:28:02 [kaz]
... and then working on Suzuki-san's industry scenario
08:28:27 [kaz]
... including Panasonic's bulletin board
08:29:03 [kaz]
... but some problem
08:29:36 [kaz]
... if Suzuki-san can generate a balloon, could be fixed
08:30:25 [kaz]
... currently there is no value change
08:31:05 [kaz]
kaz: what do you mean "balloon"?
08:31:16 [kaz]
... the plastic bag Matsukura-san brought?
08:31:21 [kaz]
tou: yes, that's the one
08:32:00 [kaz]
kaz: Matsukura-san and Suzuki-san, do you think you can bring a plastic bag again?
08:32:09 [kaz]
tou: or another kick
08:32:31 [kaz]
ts: not sure about the plastic bag but can we use another trigger?
08:32:47 [kaz]
ml: maybe we can use Siemens simulator?
08:33:01 [kaz]
tou: I can use that as well
08:33:16 [mlagally]
s/Siemens/Oracle Siemens Festo/
08:33:28 [kaz]
... just wondering which one to be used
08:33:56 [kaz]
ml: but basically you can access those devices except Mozilla gateway
08:34:03 [kaz]
... that is very good
08:35:08 [kaz]
topic: NHK
08:35:20 [kaz]
ml: Endo-san, what about you?
08:35:38 [kaz]
he: I'll show a demonstration within a local network
08:35:42 [kaz]
... with Google hangout
08:35:57 [kaz]
... local network first
08:36:07 [kaz]
... and then run devices in Osaka
08:37:14 [kaz]
... (shows the demo on hangout)
08:37:26 [kaz]
... broadcast video on the TV
08:38:21 [kaz]
kaz: would be better to watch the hangout video directly (rather than via webex :)
08:38:25 [kaz]
ml: let's do so
08:39:04 [kaz]
kaz: is there any sound on the program?
08:39:32 [kaz]
he: no sound
08:39:35 [kaz]
kaz: ok
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present+ Daniel_Peintner
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topic: Fujitsu
08:44:40 [kaz]
ts: can I show my application?
08:46:52 [kaz]
... (shares his screen)
08:49:10 [kaz]
... power consumption at a smart home
08:49:55 [kaz]
... the sensor, then air conditioner
08:50:12 [kaz]
... phase 3 includes Mozilla's light
08:50:50 [kaz]
... node-red dashboard shows energy managment and solar panel
08:51:09 [kaz]
... some problem here
08:51:39 [kaz]
... then second scenario
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... that is the industry scenario
08:52:00 [kaz]
... monitors for sensors
08:52:23 [kaz]
... z-axis acceleration, temperature, humidity and air pressure
08:52:42 [kaz]
... if there is any abnormal situation, the beacon turns
08:53:04 [kaz]
... that's it
08:53:14 [kaz]
... questions/comments?
08:53:17 [kaz]
ml: looks nice
08:53:31 [kaz]
... we've been seen two demos
08:53:54 [kaz]
topic: TUM
08:54:09 [kaz]
ek: managed to work with Intel
08:54:22 [kaz]
... so would show that
08:56:36 [mlagally]
https://hangouts.google.com/call/Gbgym9gd5j4OUEppg5VJAEEE
08:57:58 [ege]
Verena is the screenshare
08:59:49 [kaz]
ek: (shows a dashboard software)
09:00:20 [kaz]
... you can control properties, actions, events here
09:01:22 [kaz]
topic: NHK (revisited)
09:01:36 [kaz]
ml: anything to show now?
09:02:03 [kaz]
he: tx for waiting!
09:02:13 [kaz]
ml: can you please explain your demo?
09:02:26 [kaz]
he: (shows their demo)
09:02:38 [kaz]
... restarted the TV broadcasting demo
09:03:03 [kaz]
... Hybridcast TV can receive signals from broadcasting stations
09:03:12 [kaz]
... which includes a trigger
09:03:28 [kaz]
... and the application can control the robot cleaner, etc.
09:03:35 [kaz]
... also there are lights around the TV
09:03:50 [kaz]
... can be controlled based on the events
09:04:08 [kaz]
ml: embedding some trigger within the TV broadcasting content?
09:04:11 [kaz]
he: yes
09:04:26 [kaz]
... the TV program wants to use a device
09:04:34 [kaz]
... stop, change color, etc.
09:06:09 [kaz]
ml: video stream from IP?
09:06:36 [kaz]
ikeo: hybridcast handles both the broadcasting content and the IP video stream
09:06:55 [kaz]
... event trigger message is a so-called shot
09:07:54 [kaz]
-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/tree/master/plugfest/2019-tpac-fukuoka diagram on the README.md
09:08:43 [kaz]
kaz: maybe you can explain the mechanism by showing the diagram on the README.md file
09:09:30 [kaz]
he: (Hybridcast Connect Application Demo)
09:09:32 [kaz]
... tx
09:09:51 [kaz]
... it's combination of broadcasting content and IP content
09:10:09 [kaz]
... broadcasting content provides an event message as a trigger
09:10:51 [kaz]
... hybridcast application transfers that event to the hybridcast connect application (=a node.js application)
09:11:24 [kaz]
... the protocol between the hybidcast appliation and the hybridcast connect application is a proprietary one
09:12:07 [kaz]
ml: everything is controlled based on the event message included in the broadcast content
09:12:14 [kaz]
... how to control the devices then?
09:13:00 [kaz]
... the application can be interactive?
09:13:20 [kaz]
he: the user should be able to decide the scenario
09:13:39 [kaz]
... in this scenario, we make a demo to make the story simple
09:16:27 [kaz]
kaz: provides some explanation about the basic mechanism of Hybridcast
09:16:48 [kaz]
topic: Next steps
09:16:54 [kaz]
ml: we got nice demos
09:17:03 [kaz]
... and we got some actions
09:17:28 [kaz]
mm: maybe we should clarify who to get together tomorrow during the usual PlugFest call
09:17:39 [kaz]
ml: good idea
09:17:57 [kaz]
... let's check what to be done
09:18:19 [mlagally]
Action: Oracle to regenerate TDs
09:18:53 [mlagally]
Action: Intel to fix digest auth, mark camera properties as read only
09:21:46 [kaz]
[Kaz's note: There are several remaining slots for preparation: (1) PF call on Sep. 11, (2) Demo prep day on Sep. 15 and (3) Tuesday on Sep. 17 at W3C Team room ]
09:22:17 [kaz]
ek: has updated TUM's TDs
09:27:48 [kaz]
(some discussion on demo session; details to be discussed during the main call tomorrow)
09:27:59 [kaz]
ml anything else for today?
09:28:03 [kaz]
(none)
09:28:05 [kaz]
[adjourned]
09:28:19 [kaz]
rrsagent, draft minutes
09:28:19 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/09/10-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
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