IRC log of wot-pf on 2019-09-10
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- Meeting: WoT PlugFest - Online PlugFest
- 07:03:46 [kaz]
- present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_Lagally, Hiroki_Endo, Masaya_Ikeo, Kunihiko_Toumura, Takahisa_Suzuki
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- scribenick: kaz
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- Agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/PlugFest_WebConf#Agenda_10.09.2019
- 07:09:36 [kaz]
- topic: Agenda
- 07:09:51 [kaz]
- ml: (goes through the agenda at: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/PlugFest_WebConf#Agenda_10.09.2019 )
- 07:10:20 [kaz]
- ... which devices, test cases to prioritize?
- 07:10:25 [kaz]
- ... simple communication test
- 07:10:33 [kaz]
- present+ Michael_McCool
- 07:11:21 [kaz]
- mm: (points out some problem with the online-plugfest.md file)
- 07:11:27 [kaz]
- -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/master/plugfest/2019-tpac-fukuoka/online-plugfest.md online-plugfest.md
- 07:12:37 [kaz]
- topic: Round table: which devices, test cases to prioritized?
- 07:12:57 [kaz]
- s/topic: Round table: which devices, test cases to prioritized?//
- 07:13:12 [kaz]
- ml: and then we should discuss F2F/PlugFest logistics
- 07:13:24 [kaz]
- ... including demo/breakout setting
- 07:13:35 [kaz]
- ... anything else for today?
- 07:13:57 [kaz]
- mm: need to leave around 5:30pm
- 07:14:38 [kaz]
- topic: Round table: which devices, test cases to prioritized?
- 07:14:45 [kaz]
- ml: let's see the TDs
- 07:14:50 [kaz]
- present+ Ege_Korkan
- 07:15:39 [kaz]
- (Ege joins)
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- ek: would invite one of the students to this call
- 07:16:00 [kaz]
- ml: ok
- 07:16:33 [kaz]
- -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/tree/master/plugfest/2019-tpac-fukuoka/TDs/Fujitsu Fujitsu's TDs
- 07:16:44 [kaz]
- ts: remote devices and local devices
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- present+ Christian_Glomb
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- -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/tree/master/plugfest/2019-tpac-fukuoka/TDs/Fujitsu/cloud Fujitsu's remote devices
- 07:18:41 [mlagally]
- Fujitsu: Fujitsu-WiFiSensor-3C71BF4253EC.jsonld, Fujitsu-Buzzerjsonld, Mozilla-LED.jsonld
- 07:19:11 [kaz]
- q+
- 07:19:42 [kaz]
- ml: how to check if the device works?
- 07:19:47 [kaz]
- ... are you on hangout?
- 07:19:57 [kaz]
- ts: I'm on Panasonic hangout
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- kaz: is the information available to everybody?
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- ml: yes
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- ts: (shows Fujitsu's devices on hangout)
- 07:22:16 [kaz]
- kaz: just to make sure
- 07:23:03 [kaz]
- ... does the cloud.md table include the information of devices on the local.md?
- 07:23:26 [kaz]
- ts: Fujitsu's devices are connected to both the local proxy and the remote proxy
- 07:23:42 [kaz]
- ... that's why there is the same information on the local devices on both the pages
- 07:23:44 [kaz]
- kaz: got it
- 07:24:19 [kaz]
- -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/tree/master/plugfest/2019-tpac-fukuoka/TDs/Intel Intel's TDs
- 07:24:49 [kaz]
- mm: web cam and speech interface
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- ack k
- 07:25:15 [kaz]
- q+ to ask about the relationship between intel-speak.json and intel-speak.jsonld
- 07:26:04 [kaz]
- mm: longpoll grabs the image every 10 sec
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- ml: which of the entries works?
- 07:26:24 [kaz]
- mm: all of them work
- 07:26:51 [kaz]
- ml: do people have credentials for this?
- 07:26:56 [kaz]
- mm: on the README.md
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- ... links to the Member archived credentials
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- ... also links to concrete TDs
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- mm: you have to post for speech
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- ml: we should use the basic credential
- 07:29:22 [kaz]
- ek: where is the information?
- 07:29:40 [kaz]
- mm: there is links on README.md
- 07:29:53 [kaz]
- ... will add clarification on the basic authentication
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- kaz: JPEG image is broken
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- mm: will fix
- 07:31:21 [kaz]
- kaz: and relationship between JSON and JSON-LD for speech?
- 07:31:31 [kaz]
- mm: just update the device IP address
- 07:31:37 [kaz]
- ... please use the JSON version
- 07:32:00 [kaz]
- -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/tree/master/plugfest/2019-tpac-fukuoka/TDs/Oracle Oracle's TDs
- 07:32:13 [kaz]
- ml: (show the animation of the virtual devices)
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- s/virtual devices/Oracle IoT digital twin simulator/
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- ... very simple model of the pump
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- ... please let me know if you need another one
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- ... (goes through the list of TDs)
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- ... you can log in and use the devices
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- q?
- 07:36:12 [kaz]
- ack k
- 07:36:12 [Zakim]
- kaz, you wanted to ask about the relationship between intel-speak.json and intel-speak.jsonld
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- q+
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- ts: tried to use the TD this morning
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- ... problem with href URL
- 07:37:28 [kaz]
- ml: sorry
- 07:37:32 [kaz]
- ... need to update the TD
- 07:38:23 [kaz]
- kaz: what is the difference among all the Blue_Pump_*?
- 07:38:35 [kaz]
- ml: specific instance for each vendor
- 07:39:06 [kaz]
- present+ Verena_Schlott, Ryuichi_Matsukura
- 07:39:29 [kaz]
- -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/tree/master/plugfest/2019-tpac-fukuoka/TDs/Panasonic Panasonic's TDs
- 07:40:09 [kaz]
- ml: Toru-san is not available yet
- 07:40:23 [kaz]
- kaz: what about NHK, Siemens and TUM?
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- cg: not prepared yet
- 07:40:49 [kaz]
- ... planning to provide electric charger simulator
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- kaz: hardware-based or software-based?
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- cg: software-based one
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- kaz: tx
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- cg: today, I'm mainly observing
- 07:41:54 [kaz]
- ... already got interesting information
- 07:42:29 [kaz]
- kaz: do you think you can join the demo prep on Sunday?
- 07:44:06 [kaz]
- cg: not available but will be there on Tuesday
- 07:44:32 [kaz]
- mm: Intel and Siemens want to work on Tuesday at the W3C Team room
- 07:44:40 [kaz]
- kaz: will double check with Naomi about that
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- ml: what about TUM?
- 07:45:05 [kaz]
- ... Ege or Verena?
- 07:45:37 [kaz]
- ... what kind of TDs are you planning to provide?
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- vs: we'll provide just clients
- 07:46:23 [kaz]
- ek: can't access the devices at TUM from Fukuoka this time...
- 07:46:33 [kaz]
- ml: what about NHK?
- 07:46:56 [kaz]
- he: we don't provide TDs
- 07:46:58 [ege]
- Just for correction, I will be bringing the physically with me to Fukuoka
- 07:47:08 [kaz]
- ... only application client on TV
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- q?
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- ack k
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- q+ to ask Ege for clarification
- 07:48:08 [kaz]
- ml: which devices/TDs are you planning to use?
- 07:48:40 [kaz]
- kaz: are you planning to get connected with Fujitsu and Panasonic?
- 07:49:00 [kaz]
- he: Panasonic gateway and Fujitsu proxy
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- kaz: and what is your target devices?
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- he: Panasonic's robot cleaner
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- ml: ok
- 07:50:10 [kaz]
- ... regarding clients, how many applications do we have?
- 07:50:20 [kaz]
- ... TUM, Hitachi, NHK, ...
- 07:50:25 [kaz]
- ... three client applications?
- 07:51:16 [kaz]
- i/regarding/topic: Client applications/
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- ml: application developers can check the connectivity of their using devices/TDs
- 07:52:28 [kaz]
- ml: Endo-san, can you check Fujitsu's device? or Panasonic one?
- 07:52:36 [kaz]
- he: Panasonic robot cleaner
- 07:53:07 [kaz]
- ... can show the video using hangout
- 07:53:32 [kaz]
- ... our application runs/synchronizes with TV
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- (Endo-san prepares for his demo)
- 07:55:09 [kaz]
- kaz: question for Ege
- 07:55:22 [kaz]
- ... will you provide your TDs later?
- 07:55:26 [kaz]
- ek: will do
- 07:56:44 [kaz]
- topic: Connection test
- 07:57:08 [kaz]
- ml: need to fix Oracle's TDs
- 07:58:53 [mlagally]
- https://hangouts.google.com/call/zMIBFnSSTxd4KpiLcP5DAAEI
- 08:00:06 [kaz]
- ml: it seems there are two kinds of hangouts...
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- ... one on the README and another by Panasonic
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- ... we should use Panasonic's one given they're not here and can't change the setting
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- (15-min break)
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- s|https://hangouts.google.com/call/zMIBFnSSTxd4KpiLcP5DAAEI||
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- rrsagent, make log public
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/09/10-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
- 08:08:45 [mlagally]
- @toumura-san: Please try wot/plugfest/2019-tpac-fukuoka/TDs/Oracle/Blue_Pump_Hitachi.jsonld
- 08:12:28 [kaz]
- tou: tried the updated TD
- 08:12:36 [kaz]
- ... but there is some authentication problem
- 08:12:49 [kaz]
- ... the error code is returned to the server
- 08:13:01 [kaz]
- ... could you please check what's happening?
- 08:13:10 [kaz]
- ml: ok, thanks for your feedback
- 08:21:05 [kaz]
- (2nd session starts)
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- topic: Connection test
- 08:21:38 [kaz]
- ml: who here can show your applications today?
- 08:21:47 [kaz]
- ek: trying security devices
- 08:22:05 [kaz]
- ... need some debugging for now
- 08:22:11 [kaz]
- ml: ok
- 08:22:47 [kaz]
- kaz: do you want to try today, Sunday or Tuesday?
- 08:22:54 [kaz]
- ek: good question
- 08:23:05 [kaz]
- ... can show node-wot testing today
- 08:23:33 [kaz]
- ml: note tat we're test interoperability
- 08:23:40 [kaz]
- ... what about Toumura-san?
- 08:23:47 [kaz]
- tou: can show simple demo
- 08:24:02 [kaz]
- ... can I share my screen?
- 08:24:05 [kaz]
- ml: yes, please
- 08:24:12 [kaz]
- topic: Hitachi
- 08:24:20 [kaz]
- s/Hitachi/Hitach application/
- 08:24:36 [kaz]
- tou: simple test connection for each device
- 08:24:45 [kaz]
- ... Fujitsu, Panasonic, Oracle, ...
- 08:25:28 [kaz]
- ... can get connected with devices in Kanazawa
- 08:25:53 [kaz]
- ... also USB buzzer light, rotary beacon, etc.
- 08:26:07 [kaz]
- ... but can't get connect with Mozilla yet due to a bug
- 08:26:09 [kaz]
- ... will fix it
- 08:26:47 [kaz]
- ... would create an application to show camera's video
- 08:26:57 [kaz]
- ... also the speech device works
- 08:27:25 [kaz]
- ... can get connected with Panasonic devices as well
- 08:27:35 [kaz]
- ... also some dashboard display
- 08:28:02 [kaz]
- ... and then working on Suzuki-san's industry scenario
- 08:28:27 [kaz]
- ... including Panasonic's bulletin board
- 08:29:03 [kaz]
- ... but some problem
- 08:29:36 [kaz]
- ... if Suzuki-san can generate a balloon, could be fixed
- 08:30:25 [kaz]
- ... currently there is no value change
- 08:31:05 [kaz]
- kaz: what do you mean "balloon"?
- 08:31:16 [kaz]
- ... the plastic bag Matsukura-san brought?
- 08:31:21 [kaz]
- tou: yes, that's the one
- 08:32:00 [kaz]
- kaz: Matsukura-san and Suzuki-san, do you think you can bring a plastic bag again?
- 08:32:09 [kaz]
- tou: or another kick
- 08:32:31 [kaz]
- ts: not sure about the plastic bag but can we use another trigger?
- 08:32:47 [kaz]
- ml: maybe we can use Siemens simulator?
- 08:33:01 [kaz]
- tou: I can use that as well
- 08:33:16 [mlagally]
- s/Siemens/Oracle Siemens Festo/
- 08:33:28 [kaz]
- ... just wondering which one to be used
- 08:33:56 [kaz]
- ml: but basically you can access those devices except Mozilla gateway
- 08:34:03 [kaz]
- ... that is very good
- 08:35:08 [kaz]
- topic: NHK
- 08:35:20 [kaz]
- ml: Endo-san, what about you?
- 08:35:38 [kaz]
- he: I'll show a demonstration within a local network
- 08:35:42 [kaz]
- ... with Google hangout
- 08:35:57 [kaz]
- ... local network first
- 08:36:07 [kaz]
- ... and then run devices in Osaka
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- ... (shows the demo on hangout)
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- ... broadcast video on the TV
- 08:38:21 [kaz]
- kaz: would be better to watch the hangout video directly (rather than via webex :)
- 08:38:25 [kaz]
- ml: let's do so
- 08:39:04 [kaz]
- kaz: is there any sound on the program?
- 08:39:32 [kaz]
- he: no sound
- 08:39:35 [kaz]
- kaz: ok
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- present+ Daniel_Peintner
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- topic: Fujitsu
- 08:44:40 [kaz]
- ts: can I show my application?
- 08:46:52 [kaz]
- ... (shares his screen)
- 08:49:10 [kaz]
- ... power consumption at a smart home
- 08:49:55 [kaz]
- ... the sensor, then air conditioner
- 08:50:12 [kaz]
- ... phase 3 includes Mozilla's light
- 08:50:50 [kaz]
- ... node-red dashboard shows energy managment and solar panel
- 08:51:09 [kaz]
- ... some problem here
- 08:51:39 [kaz]
- ... then second scenario
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- ... that is the industry scenario
- 08:52:00 [kaz]
- ... monitors for sensors
- 08:52:23 [kaz]
- ... z-axis acceleration, temperature, humidity and air pressure
- 08:52:42 [kaz]
- ... if there is any abnormal situation, the beacon turns
- 08:53:04 [kaz]
- ... that's it
- 08:53:14 [kaz]
- ... questions/comments?
- 08:53:17 [kaz]
- ml: looks nice
- 08:53:31 [kaz]
- ... we've been seen two demos
- 08:53:54 [kaz]
- topic: TUM
- 08:54:09 [kaz]
- ek: managed to work with Intel
- 08:54:22 [kaz]
- ... so would show that
- 08:56:36 [mlagally]
- https://hangouts.google.com/call/Gbgym9gd5j4OUEppg5VJAEEE
- 08:57:58 [ege]
- Verena is the screenshare
- 08:59:49 [kaz]
- ek: (shows a dashboard software)
- 09:00:20 [kaz]
- ... you can control properties, actions, events here
- 09:01:22 [kaz]
- topic: NHK (revisited)
- 09:01:36 [kaz]
- ml: anything to show now?
- 09:02:03 [kaz]
- he: tx for waiting!
- 09:02:13 [kaz]
- ml: can you please explain your demo?
- 09:02:26 [kaz]
- he: (shows their demo)
- 09:02:38 [kaz]
- ... restarted the TV broadcasting demo
- 09:03:03 [kaz]
- ... Hybridcast TV can receive signals from broadcasting stations
- 09:03:12 [kaz]
- ... which includes a trigger
- 09:03:28 [kaz]
- ... and the application can control the robot cleaner, etc.
- 09:03:35 [kaz]
- ... also there are lights around the TV
- 09:03:50 [kaz]
- ... can be controlled based on the events
- 09:04:08 [kaz]
- ml: embedding some trigger within the TV broadcasting content?
- 09:04:11 [kaz]
- he: yes
- 09:04:26 [kaz]
- ... the TV program wants to use a device
- 09:04:34 [kaz]
- ... stop, change color, etc.
- 09:06:09 [kaz]
- ml: video stream from IP?
- 09:06:36 [kaz]
- ikeo: hybridcast handles both the broadcasting content and the IP video stream
- 09:06:55 [kaz]
- ... event trigger message is a so-called shot
- 09:07:54 [kaz]
- -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/tree/master/plugfest/2019-tpac-fukuoka diagram on the README.md
- 09:08:43 [kaz]
- kaz: maybe you can explain the mechanism by showing the diagram on the README.md file
- 09:09:30 [kaz]
- he: (Hybridcast Connect Application Demo)
- 09:09:32 [kaz]
- ... tx
- 09:09:51 [kaz]
- ... it's combination of broadcasting content and IP content
- 09:10:09 [kaz]
- ... broadcasting content provides an event message as a trigger
- 09:10:51 [kaz]
- ... hybridcast application transfers that event to the hybridcast connect application (=a node.js application)
- 09:11:24 [kaz]
- ... the protocol between the hybidcast appliation and the hybridcast connect application is a proprietary one
- 09:12:07 [kaz]
- ml: everything is controlled based on the event message included in the broadcast content
- 09:12:14 [kaz]
- ... how to control the devices then?
- 09:13:00 [kaz]
- ... the application can be interactive?
- 09:13:20 [kaz]
- he: the user should be able to decide the scenario
- 09:13:39 [kaz]
- ... in this scenario, we make a demo to make the story simple
- 09:16:27 [kaz]
- kaz: provides some explanation about the basic mechanism of Hybridcast
- 09:16:48 [kaz]
- topic: Next steps
- 09:16:54 [kaz]
- ml: we got nice demos
- 09:17:03 [kaz]
- ... and we got some actions
- 09:17:28 [kaz]
- mm: maybe we should clarify who to get together tomorrow during the usual PlugFest call
- 09:17:39 [kaz]
- ml: good idea
- 09:17:57 [kaz]
- ... let's check what to be done
- 09:18:19 [mlagally]
- Action: Oracle to regenerate TDs
- 09:18:53 [mlagally]
- Action: Intel to fix digest auth, mark camera properties as read only
- 09:21:46 [kaz]
- [Kaz's note: There are several remaining slots for preparation: (1) PF call on Sep. 11, (2) Demo prep day on Sep. 15 and (3) Tuesday on Sep. 17 at W3C Team room ]
- 09:22:17 [kaz]
- ek: has updated TUM's TDs
- 09:27:48 [kaz]
- (some discussion on demo session; details to be discussed during the main call tomorrow)
- 09:27:59 [kaz]
- ml anything else for today?
- 09:28:03 [kaz]
- (none)
- 09:28:05 [kaz]
- [adjourned]
- 09:28:19 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 09:28:19 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/09/10-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
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