IRC log of pwg on 2019-09-09
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- Meeting: Publishing Working Group Telco
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- Chair: garth
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- Date: 2019-09-09
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- Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-publ-wg/2019Sep/0005.html
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- ivan has changed the topic to: Meeting Agenda 2019-09-09: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-publ-wg/2019Sep/0005.html
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- Regrets+ Luc
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- present+
- 16:03:42 [wendyreid]
- zakim, pick a victim
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- Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose simon_collinson
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- present+
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- chair: wendy
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- present+
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- present+
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- https://www.w3.org/publishing/groups/publ-wg/Meetings/Minutes/2019/2019-08-19-pwg
- 16:04:53 [ivan]
- Topic: Last week's minutes
- 16:04:54 [simon_collinson]
- Wendy: First up, approval of minutes.
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- +1
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- scribe+ simon_collinson
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- present+
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- Wendy: Today's meeting is about wrapping up loose ends before TPAC next week. Hope to see many of you there…
- 16:05:27 [ivan]
- resolved: last week's minutes are accepted
- 16:05:33 [duga]
- Garth and Brady joining shortly
- 16:05:34 [simon_collinson]
- …if you haven't RSVPd yet, please do…
- 16:05:47 [ivan]
- Topic: Horizontal reviews
- 16:05:59 [simon_collinson]
- …Ivan, do you want to review internationalisation?
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- present+
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- q+
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- present+
- 16:06:19 [simon_collinson]
- Ivan: Nothing to say yet - I don't have an answer from the internationalisation group…
- 16:06:34 [wendyreid]
- ack CharlesL
- 16:06:35 [George]
- present+
- 16:06:38 [simon_collinson]
- …we should consider it closed and add a note. We've made changes here and there and had a positive effect.
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- Present+ Garth
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- Charles: As part of APA's personalization work, I'm reviewing it all from that angle. We have a joint meeting during TPAC, so we can discuss any issues then.
- 16:07:31 [simon_collinson]
- Brady: We are private and secure!
- 16:08:09 [simon_collinson]
- …I've filled out the ping quest. The answers are the same for privacy and the audiobook manifest. I got a couple of comments from Benjamin, may not have the correct email for Deborah
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- present+
- 16:08:27 [simon_collinson]
- Deborah: Brady does have the right email address, it's on me to reply :)
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- s/quest/questionnaire
- 16:09:03 [duga]
- https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rkVNSAfQMiS72mBzeCa9dceFEh5VsqLdzxxz0Mzvtj8/edit?usp=sharing
- 16:09:07 [simon_collinson]
- Brady: I'll post a link to the minutes. There's a Google Doc - anyone with the link can comment.
- 16:09:26 [simon_collinson]
- Brady: Not sure what next steps are - do I give to someone, put it somewhere?
- 16:09:26 [ivan]
- q+
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- ack ivan
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- q?
- 16:09:41 [dkaplan3]
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- 16:09:52 [simon_collinson]
- Ivan: If you look at the issue list of the repo, there are some issues open for internationalization…
- 16:10:25 [simon_collinson]
- …we should make some sort of report and mark it up, then contact the relevant people…
- 16:10:34 [simon_collinson]
- …is there anything that we have to change?
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- Brady: I don't know if we have a privacy/security section in the manifest?
- 16:10:59 [simon_collinson]
- Ivan: There is one in the editor's draft.
- 16:11:08 [simon_collinson]
- Brady: We should put something other than 'coming soon' in there.
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- Wendy: I'm already talking to the PING people - if they can spend some time with us next week, so I'll forward this to them.
- 16:11:47 [ivan]
- -> https://w3c.github.io/pub-manifest/#security-privacy Security and Privacy section in the editor's draft
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- q+
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- q?
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- ack ivan
- 16:12:32 [simon_collinson]
- Ivan: A small flag - Matt has created a section for security and privacy… Wendy has already added something similar for audio (?)
- 16:12:55 [garth]
- https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Q8PUjzMY04peuYZdTkA6A0BBoFea_BSK4ygJlphkzh8/edit#heading=h.1ryfaao4cgcc
- 16:13:44 [simon_collinson]
- Garth: Can we talk briefly about the TPAC agenda? Everyone has ability to edit but please comment…
- 16:13:46 [ivan]
- topic: TPAC agenda
- 16:14:13 [simon_collinson]
- …there is the meeting with the Amazon folks, encourage people to dial in for that…
- 16:14:34 [garth]
- https://w3.org/TR/audiobooks
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- https://w3.org/TR/pub-manifest
- 16:14:43 [Avneesh]
- q+
- 16:14:46 [simon_collinson]
- …in pre-TPAC mindset, it would be good if people can spend time with our two drafts (links posted above)…
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- q+
- 16:15:14 [bigbluehat]
- present+
- 16:15:15 [simon_collinson]
- …Matt has lost power in Nova Scotia due to the hurricane…
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- q?
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- ack Avneesh
- 16:16:11 [simon_collinson]
- Avneesh: Agenda is quite full - should we discuss the Community Group and what it has planned?
- 16:16:41 [simon_collinson]
- Wendy: Major question from EPUB3 CG to WG is what happens to EPUB 3 - and we can't answer that yet. It might come up in the business group meeting.
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- ack ivan
- 16:16:56 [simon_collinson]
- Garth: It might come up, but EPUB 3 is a long topic
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- Ivan: What you put in as links are the published documents… I don't know whether we can republish the two documents officially (?)…
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- 16:17:44 [simon_collinson]
- …I don't know whether we need permission to do that…
- 16:18:05 [simon_collinson]
- Garth: Good point. Do we need anything consensus-wise to say 'go ahead and publish' in order to update the documents?
- 16:18:15 [simon_collinson]
- Ivan: This is a good idea - we need consensus
- 16:18:17 [garth]
- Proposal publish both our Editors drafts
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- q+h
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- +1
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- q?
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- +1
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- Proposed: the WG agree to republish the manifest and the audiobook
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- +1
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- +
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- +1
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- +1
- 16:18:58 [Bill_Kasdorf]
- +1
- 16:19:08 [simon_collinson]
- Charles: Should I be reviewing the latest draft or the one published on the 27th August?
- 16:19:21 [George]
- +1
- 16:19:23 [simon_collinson]
- Garth: Don't review the link above - review the link to come - the current editors' draft
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- q?
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- ack h
- 16:19:51 [ivan]
- Editors' draft: -> Manifest https://w3c.github.io/pub-manifest/ and -> Audiobooks https://w3c.github.io/audiobooks/
- 16:20:00 [simon_collinson]
- Garth: Let's turn it over to Wendy and then Ivan subbing for Matt, to talk about changes to editors' drafts
- 16:20:39 [simon_collinson]
- Wendy: The changes to audiobooks draft are minor. I haven't done it yet, but will change privacy and security to match publication manifest. Added a section on usage of preview…
- 16:20:53 [simon_collinson]
- …so creator can include preview of content in the manifest. Minor section sorting for readability…
- 16:21:17 [simon_collinson]
- …I also added (this is in publication manifest) abridged attribute, ie content is abridged or unabridged…
- 16:21:17 [garth]
- q?
- 16:21:29 [simon_collinson]
- Ivan: There has been quite a lot of changes to manifest…
- 16:21:44 [simon_collinson]
- …many discussions since just before last publication, lots of resolutions…
- 16:21:55 [simon_collinson]
- …long-standing discussion about having a canonical manifest or not…
- 16:22:05 [simon_collinson]
- …based on resolution, the term of 'canonical manifest' has disappeared…
- 16:22:21 [simon_collinson]
- …what used to be the web id (?) is still there and takes care of presentation of the manifest…
- 16:22:32 [simon_collinson]
- …the whole processing section has been changed to display…
- 16:23:18 [simon_collinson]
- …then we had discussion about ??, as a result of that discussion we had discussion about the language in the manifest and the content…
- 16:23:43 [simon_collinson]
- …this was previously (in EPUB days) done with dc, we have cleaned it up…
- 16:24:06 [simon_collinson]
- …quite a lot of editorial changes as well…
- 16:24:37 [simon_collinson]
- …there is a pull request put in yesterday from Marisa on how to do the alternate – I reviewed this and we had some minor changes based on that…
- 16:24:48 [simon_collinson]
- …would welcome other people looking at that - it's not yet in the editors' draft…
- 16:24:57 [garth]
- q?
- 16:25:07 [simon_collinson]
- …if there's an agreement, it could be part of the editors' draft. That covers the major changes.
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- q?
- 16:25:39 [garth]
- https://github.com/w3c/pub-manifest/issues
- 16:25:40 [simon_collinson]
- Garth: Is there anything else to discuss before open issues?
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- All: silence
- 16:25:45 [ivan]
- Topic: open issues
- 16:25:53 [simon_collinson]
- Garth: Three open issues proposed to close…
- 16:26:01 [garth]
- https://github.com/w3c/pub-manifest/issues/40
- 16:26:12 [ivan]
- Subtopic: issue trimming white space
- 16:26:30 [garth]
- q?
- 16:26:32 [simon_collinson]
- Garth: Issue 40 - trimming whitespace. Consensus is this is (for both names and values) that we don't want to introduce any new constraint. Trimming not required/done…
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- github-bot, bye
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- 16:26:44 [simon_collinson]
- …unless there are objections, since that's been sitting a few days, we should go ahead and close it.
- 16:26:47 [garth]
- q?
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- q+
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- ack dauwhe
- 16:27:17 [simon_collinson]
- Dave: For everyone's information, EPUB does aggressively trim whitespace on metadata values (only, not for keys since they don't exist)
- 16:27:46 [garth]
- q?
- 16:27:50 [simon_collinson]
- Garth: There's commentary on keys and values here - schema.org doesn't push us in this direction. Was Dave objecting to closing?
- 16:27:52 [simon_collinson]
- Dave: No.
- 16:27:57 [ivan]
- proposed: close issue 40 with no actions
- 16:28:00 [bigbluehat]
- +1
- 16:28:00 [garth]
- Propose close #40
- 16:28:01 [dkaplan3]
- +1
- 16:28:06 [ivan]
- +1
- 16:28:10 [garth]
- +1
- 16:28:10 [CharlesL]
- +1
- 16:28:14 [Bill_Kasdorf]
- +1
- 16:28:21 [wendyreid]
- +1
- 16:28:24 [ivan]
- resolved: close #40 with no action
- 16:28:25 [duga]
- + 1
- 16:28:25 [mateus]
- +1
- 16:28:36 [romain]
- +1
- 16:28:36 [George]
- +1
- 16:28:52 [garth]
- https://github.com/w3c/pub-manifest/issues/22
- 16:29:00 [ivan]
- Subtopic: issue #22 TAG REview
- 16:29:08 [simon_collinson]
- Garth: This one should be easy, since it's lacking content entirely - issue 22. This was a placeholder for TAG review…
- 16:29:08 [garth]
- propose: close #22
- 16:29:14 [ivan]
- +1
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- +1
- 16:29:27 [dkaplan3]
- +1
- 16:29:33 [Bill_Kasdorf]
- +1
- 16:29:36 [George]
- +1
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- +1
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- +1
- 16:29:42 [CharlesL]
- +1
- 16:29:46 [ivan]
- q+
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- q?
- 16:29:53 [garth]
- ack ivan
- 16:30:01 [simon_collinson]
- Ivan: For the record, there has been a TAG review separately - not sure why this issue was opened
- 16:30:15 [simon_collinson]
- …worth mentioning that we are not ignoring TAG review, just that issue was opened and not followed up…
- 16:30:19 [ivan]
- resolved: close #22
- 16:30:20 [garth]
- https://github.com/w3c/pub-manifest/issues/13
- 16:30:29 [simon_collinson]
- Garth: Next is issue 13, about typing for linked resources…
- 16:30:29 [ivan]
- Subtopic: typing for linked resources
- 16:30:46 [simon_collinson]
- …that has been without comments for over six months…
- 16:31:00 [garth]
- q?
- 16:31:09 [simon_collinson]
- …Dave and Hadrien came towards not adding a typing requirement. Is that acceptable to you Ivan?
- 16:31:11 [simon_collinson]
- Ivan: It is.
- 16:31:27 [garth]
- propose: close #13 with no action (no typeing requirements)
- 16:31:41 [garth]
- +1
- 16:31:47 [wendyreid]
- +1
- 16:31:47 [ivan]
- +1
- 16:31:52 [dkaplan3]
- +1
- 16:31:54 [Bill_Kasdorf]
- +1
- 16:31:58 [George]
- +1
- 16:32:07 [romain]
- +1
- 16:32:11 [ivan]
- resolved: close #13 with no action (no typeing requirements)
- 16:32:12 [garth]
- https://github.com/w3c/pub-manifest/issues
- 16:32:33 [simon_collinson]
- Garth: There are ten other issues. I'd like to request - are there ones that people on the call have opened and that they'd like to discuss?
- 16:32:36 [ivan]
- q+
- 16:33:13 [simon_collinson]
- Garth: Self-review, there's nothing to talk about. Inviting Marisa to talk through issue 33.
- 16:33:13 [garth]
- https://github.com/w3c/pub-manifest/issues/33
- 16:33:52 [simon_collinson]
- Marisa: I submitted a pull request, Ivan reviewed it, a few other people should have a look - Wendy in particular as this affects audiobooks. I don't have anything earth-shattering to announce…
- 16:34:11 [simon_collinson]
- Garth: We don't want to close the issue until the PR is merged.
- 16:34:21 [simon_collinson]
- Marisa: Agreed.
- 16:34:22 [ivan]
- -> https://github.com/w3c/pub-manifest/pull/56 corresponding PR
- 16:34:34 [garth]
- q?
- 16:34:39 [garth]
- ack ivan
- 16:35:05 [garth]
- https://github.com/w3c/pub-manifest/issues/51
- 16:35:28 [simon_collinson]
- Ivan: So far, the reading progression has two possible values, ltr and rtl…
- 16:35:48 [simon_collinson]
- …Laurent raised the possibility of whether we needed top to bottom or bottom to top…
- 16:36:08 [simon_collinson]
- …I don't know if there's a reasonable example for bottom to top. I don't know if publications would use this, but we can add another value there if it makes sense.
- 16:36:09 [garth]
- q?
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- q+
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- ack dauwhe
- 16:36:46 [simon_collinson]
- Dave: I'm not expressing an opinion about the issue, but I don't think we should make decisions here without drawing diagrams and talking about exactly what we're expecting from user agents.
- 16:36:56 [simon_collinson]
- Ivan: I agree, we should discuss when Laurent is around.
- 16:37:06 [ivan]
- q+
- 16:37:07 [simon_collinson]
- Dave: I'm wary of doing interesting visual things without a whiteboard around.
- 16:37:36 [simon_collinson]
- Ivan: Issue 9…
- 16:37:40 [garth]
- https://github.com/w3c/pub-manifest/issues/9
- 16:37:43 [garth]
- q?
- 16:37:46 [garth]
- ack ivan
- 16:38:20 [simon_collinson]
- …with the change of having publication manifest and not web publication, absolutization is done in the (?) and I wonder if this is something we definitely have to have…
- 16:38:44 [simon_collinson]
- …in the publication manifest now… should it be up to the profiles what happens?
- 16:38:57 [simon_collinson]
- Garth: It sounds like you're proposing close with no action?
- 16:39:19 [simon_collinson]
- Ivan: It might be better to wait for Laurent - he had issues with the spec. Let's put that on the agenda for TPAC when Laurent is around.
- 16:39:45 [simon_collinson]
- Garth: Is Daniel on the call to talk about (?)
- 16:39:56 [simon_collinson]
- …issue 12…?
- 16:39:59 [garth]
- https://github.com/w3c/pub-manifest/issues/9
- 16:40:06 [garth]
- https://github.com/w3c/pub-manifest/issues/12
- 16:40:53 [ivan]
- q+
- 16:41:00 [simon_collinson]
- Wendy: I need to read this over before I have any opinions… I think we can save this one for discussion. Maybe Ivan has more info?
- 16:41:23 [simon_collinson]
- Ivan: Related to what I said before - at the moment we have the publication manifest, where the base comes from is up to the various profiles…
- 16:41:38 [simon_collinson]
- …it was all about what happens if web content has an iframe, what is the base URL?
- 16:41:47 [simon_collinson]
- …we haven't solved this issue, but it's not relevant any more for the manifest…
- 16:41:52 [garth]
- q?
- 16:41:59 [wendyreid]
- ack ivan
- 16:42:10 [simon_collinson]
- Garth: Was that a 'leave to TPAC' or 'close now'?
- 16:42:18 [simon_collinson]
- Ivan: Leave to TPAC…
- 16:42:43 [garth]
- https://github.com/w3c/pub-manifest/issues/16
- 16:42:56 [simon_collinson]
- Garth: We'll have Laurent with us at TPAC, so that makes sense. One other wasn't postponed, and hasn't been addressed for some time - issue 16 - to do with version in the manifest.
- 16:43:03 [simon_collinson]
- …is this obviated or are we still live?
- 16:43:30 [simon_collinson]
- …we didn't get to a satisfying conclusion…
- 16:43:54 [garth]
- q?
- 16:44:10 [simon_collinson]
- All: silence
- 16:44:31 [CharlesL]
- q+
- 16:44:34 [simon_collinson]
- Wendy: I do love the aspirational nature of the question
- 16:44:40 [wendyreid]
- ack CharlesL
- 16:45:10 [simon_collinson]
- Charles: Looking at this, because it also goes in line with the accessibility specification, with the conforms-to suggestion, I like that you can specify the version number and have all the information right there…
- 16:45:27 [simon_collinson]
- …we have that already as a basis for conformance to the a11y spec…
- 16:45:58 [simon_collinson]
- …but we're trying to avoid compatibility issues, if we have a version in the future which requires special handling, if we don't put it in there now we could be in trouble…
- 16:46:06 [garth]
- q?
- 16:46:10 [ivan]
- q=
- 16:46:12 [dauwhe]
- q+
- 16:46:12 [ivan]
- Q+
- 16:46:22 [wendyreid]
- ack dauwhe
- 16:46:22 [garth]
- ack dauwhe
- 16:46:27 [simon_collinson]
- Dave: I hope we can avoid having version numbers on this.
- 16:46:31 [wendyreid]
- +1
- 16:46:39 [simon_collinson]
- …it feels like a nightmare of incompatibility and writing special paths and code etc.…
- 16:46:47 [simon_collinson]
- …we've managed to avoid it in HTML and CSS, let's really try not to go there…
- 16:46:56 [garth]
- q?
- 16:47:01 [garth]
- ack ivan
- 16:47:07 [simon_collinson]
- Garth: One can also argue that even if we do choose to go there, we don't have to go there at the first try…
- 16:47:50 [simon_collinson]
- Ivan: I agree - if we look back at the comments; if we want to express conformance with a version of the specification, (??), there is a comment I made in Feb which said you can put this kind of information in the manifest…
- 16:47:56 [simon_collinson]
- …there's a way of using dc terms to do that…
- 16:48:13 [simon_collinson]
- …if this information is necessary in the document, we can do that with the manifest…
- 16:48:15 [garth]
- Propose: close #16 without action (not adding version numbering)
- 16:48:23 [wendyreid]
- +1
- 16:48:24 [ivan]
- +1
- 16:48:24 [dauwhe]
- +1
- 16:48:25 [garth]
- +1
- 16:48:26 [simon_collinson]
- Garth: Between Dave, Wendy, and Ben, I'm proposing we close without action
- 16:48:28 [Nellie]
- +1
- 16:48:30 [geoffjukes]
- +1
- 16:48:32 [CharlesL]
- +1
- 16:48:33 [bigbluehat]
- +1
- 16:48:36 [dkaplan3]
- +1
- 16:48:36 [ivan]
- q+
- 16:48:38 [simon_collinson]
- +1
- 16:48:45 [garth]
- q?
- 16:48:58 [garth]
- ack ivan
- 16:49:01 [ivan]
- Resolved: close #16 without action (not adding version numbering)
- 16:49:32 [simon_collinson]
- Ivan: I agree with this, maybe we can ask Matt to put in an example of how this would be provided as an information - if someone were to do that, how they would go about it
- 16:49:45 [simon_collinson]
- Garth: This is with dc terms 'conforms to'?
- 16:49:47 [ivan]
- https://github.com/w3c/pub-manifest/issues/16#issuecomment-464087617 or https://github.com/w3c/pub-manifest/issues/16#issuecomment-464098251
- 16:49:54 [garth]
- https://github.com/w3c/pub-manifest/issues/16#issuecomment-464098251
- 16:50:20 [simon_collinson]
- Ivan: Yes, conformsTo.
- 16:50:30 [ivan]
- acton: mattg to add an informational text on using dcterms
- 16:50:33 [simon_collinson]
- Garth: Action item for Matt, review comment ending in 251
- 16:51:14 [ivan]
- https://github.com/w3c/pub-manifest/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+-label%3A%22status%3A+postponed%22+
- 16:51:15 [garth]
- q?
- 16:51:17 [simon_collinson]
- Garth: Is there any other issue to review on today's call? The metadata one is postponed
- 16:51:33 [garth]
- q?
- 16:52:11 [garth]
- q?
- 16:52:22 [simon_collinson]
- Garth: Is there any other business?
- 16:52:39 [garth]
- q?
- 16:52:39 [simon_collinson]
- …the homework remains, of reviewing the editors' drafts, and if they get published soon you can review the non-draft version…
- 16:52:58 [simon_collinson]
- …hopefully a good time and accomplishment-filled time will be had by all at Fukuoka!
- 16:53:01 [dkaplan3]
- dkaplan3 has left #pwg
- 16:53:07 [ivan]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 16:53:07 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/09/09-pwg-minutes.html ivan
- 16:53:07 [ivan]
- zakim, bye
- 16:53:07 [ivan]
- rrsagent, bye
- 16:53:07 [RRSAgent]
- I see no action items
- 16:53:07 [Zakim]
- leaving. As of this point the attendees have been ivan, wendyreid, CharlesL, dkaplan, franco, gpellegrino, Nellie, mateus, dauwhe, simon_collinson, JunGamo, Rachel, Bill_Kasdorf,
- 16:53:07 [Zakim]
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