IRC log of silver on 2019-09-06
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- Meeting: Silver Community Group Teleconference
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- Date: 06 September 2019
- 17:48:04 [jeanne]
- present:
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- present+ jeanne
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- chair: jeanne
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- zakim, clear agenda
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- agenda cleared
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- agenda+ TPAC F2F questions or details?
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- agenda+ Instructions for Github issues from Leonie Watson
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- agenda+ Writing functional needs - language pattern for Style Guide
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- agenda+ Continue Functional Needs discussion
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/09/06-silver-minutes.html jeanne
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- present+
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- present+
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- 18:02:47 [CharlesHall]
- present+
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- present+
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- zakim, take uo item 1
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- I don't understand 'take uo item 1', jeanne
- 18:04:28 [jeanne]
- zakim, take up item 1
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- agendum 1. "TPAC F2F questions or details?" taken up [from jeanne]
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- scribe: janina
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- s/zakim, take uo item 1//
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- jeanne: Remote participation via Webex is confirmed
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- details page -> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/2019_September_16-20_in_Fukuoka,_Japan
- 18:05:50 [janina]
- jeanne: Note these include EDT as well as JST times
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- jeanne: Also linked to TimeAndDate.com
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- Present+
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- jeanne: Working on joint meetings, but nothing yet confirmed
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- zakim, take up next
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- agendum 2. "Instructions for Github issues from Leonie Watson" taken up [from jeanne]
- 18:07:39 [janina]
- jeanne: Notes Leonie's cheat sheet for using github via email
- 18:07:55 [janina]
- jeanne: This is as an alternative to using a browser to interface with github
- 18:08:14 [janina]
- jeanne: Would anyone like to review these now?
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- [crickets]
- 18:09:00 [janina]
- jeanne: These instructions are now linked in the "How to participate" section of our wiki
- 18:09:04 [jeanne]
- HOw do I? folder -> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1zZUo3rsGlffzAOPTzJ3x587odLpC0pbi
- 18:09:59 [janina]
- jeanne: Offering to help anyone who needs help getting up to speed using github
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- zakim, take up item 3
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- agendum 3. "Writing functional needs - language pattern for Style Guide" taken up [from jeanne]
- 18:10:18 [AngelaAccessForAll]
- Yes!
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- Still unable to speak :)
- 18:11:05 [janina]
- jeanne: Angela headed the group working on plain language prototype
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- jeanne: Developed a style guide
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- jeanne: Question is whether to agree on a pattern for functional needs
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- jeanne: I and Angela looked at how different people drafted these, and have a suggestion ...
- 18:13:04 [jeanne]
- https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aCRXrtmnSSTso-6S_IO9GQ3AKTB4FYt9k92eT_1PWX4/edit#heading=h.fd17rscqblnm -> heading on styles for functional needs
- 18:14:05 [janina]
- jeanne: Avoiding using names of disabilities except as an example
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- jeanne: Avoiding naming solutions or approaches
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- jeanne: However, I am uncomfortable not mentioning a disability at all
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- Usage [with/without/who can/cannot] [action or function] due to: human factors (like [example]); technical factors (like [example]); or contextual factors (like [example])
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- jeanne: Cons are that who's impacted isn't necessarily mentioned, nor is it plain language
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- jeanne: Also there's concern to have complete sentences
- 18:17:05 [AngelaAccessForAll]
- Oops--I cut and pasted one too many times. :)
- 18:17:22 [janina]
- jeanne: We liked starting with "People" rather than with "Usage ..."
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- jeanne: So, any discussion of the proposal??
- 18:18:08 [Chuck]
- q+
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- ack ch
- 18:18:32 [jeanne]
- People [with/without/who can/cannot] [action or function] due to: human factors (like [example of disability]); technical factors (like [example]); or contextual factors (like [example])
- 18:18:45 [janina]
- chuck: I don't know what my comments are until I try using this to some of my items
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- s/to/with/
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- kim: Expresses approval for looking at this
- 18:19:59 [KimD]
- +1 to being systematic
- 18:20:06 [CharlesHall]
- q+
- 18:20:38 [KimD]
- +1 to keeping real people examples
- 18:21:34 [janina]
- janina: Suggests talking about pwds has been powerful, and we should preserve the user story
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- jeanne: Agree with revisiting after we've expirimented with this approach
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- charles: What is "people" replacing? Just the "usage?" Or also the "pwd example"
- 18:23:42 [janina]
- charles: so how does this work for multiple disabilities?
- 18:24:16 [janina]
- charles: Is there a quantifiable limit to the number of examples? Or open ended so long as relevant?
- 18:24:44 [janina]
- jeanne: Understand that a longer list of examples seems to identify who's not on the list
- 18:25:28 [janina]
- charles: I'm OK if we're in agreement thqt examples are only exemplary, and not intended to be comprehensive
- 18:25:56 [janina]
- charles: e.g. we would not include pain?
- 18:26:18 [janina]
- jeanne: Don't see why we don't include those.
- 18:26:34 [AngelaAccessForAll]
- I believe we should include issues like pain; it's like age.
- 18:26:35 [janina]
- jeanne: It was transofmative for me to learn that older people lose color discrimination
- 18:27:33 [janina]
- janina: I learned in writing the CAPTCHA doc that many seniors lose the ability to use fingerprint sensors
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- janina: their fingerprints just don't register
- 18:30:40 [jeanne]
- zakim, take up next
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- I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, jeanne
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- ack char
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- zakim, take up next
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- agendum 2. "Instructions for Github issues from Leonie Watson" taken up [from jeanne]
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- zakim, take up item 4
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- agendum 4. "Continue Functional Needs discussion" taken up [from jeanne]
- 18:31:31 [janina]
- jeanne: Anyone with something to report today?
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- [crickets]
- 18:32:16 [jeanne]
- https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aCRXrtmnSSTso-6S_IO9GQ3AKTB4FYt9k92eT_1PWX4/edit#heading=h.8ioplsj35s7t
- 18:33:17 [janina]
- jeanne: That sr users aren't interupted by other sounds
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- jeanne: add users can not be distracted
- 18:35:12 [Chuck]
- q+
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- janina: Suggests we have a best practice of identifying which function/app is using what sonicon to mean what notification
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- jeanne: Confirms that ADD use case is that audio disrupts visual comprehension
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- ack Chuck
- 18:46:10 [pkorn]
- My audio seems to have gone away (microphone)
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- I can still hear...
- 18:46:36 [pkorn]
- Rats, I have a comment. Will drop and re-join
- 18:47:09 [janina]
- [discussion of what is and is not in scope for Silver,. emerging tech is in]
- 18:48:31 [jeanne]
- Jeanne: We want to keep the guidelines (and functional user needs) technology neutral so it can be applied byyond web, the way that WCAG2ICT document does. We agreed to restrict emerging technologies to web in our charter.
- 18:49:27 [CharlesHall]
- sorry. i have to drop off the call early.
- 18:50:35 [AngelaAccessForAll]
- Sounds good
- 18:50:56 [janina]
- jeanne: Asks Agngela's help getting plain language people to help with our language
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- topic: SC 1.4.7 Low or No Background Audio
- 18:51:55 [janina]
- jeanne: Why this isn't audio control and interruption? Anyone recall?
- 18:52:06 [jeanne]
- https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aCRXrtmnSSTso-6S_IO9GQ3AKTB4FYt9k92eT_1PWX4/edit#heading=h.tpczdeehu714
- 18:52:40 [Chuck]
- People who are hard of hearing often have great difficulty separating speech from background sound.
- 18:54:11 [janina]
- jeanne: Makes sense, but still wondering whether we can combine
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- jeanne: Also ADD need
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/09/06-silver-minutes.html jeanne
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