13:58:35 RRSAgent has joined #pwe 13:58:35 logging to https://www.w3.org/2019/09/05-pwe-irc 13:58:43 Meeting: PWE CG Call 13:58:47 Chair: Angel 13:59:05 Agenda +Pull request: Review and merge open Pull Requests 13:59:18 agenda+PWE updates for AC Meeting during TPAC2019 13:59:29 agenda+TPAC training and breakout session plan 13:59:41 agenda+AoB 14:01:26 Judy has joined #pwe 14:06:22 present+ 14:07:32 present+ 14:07:37 present+ Judy 14:07:49 scribe: Ada 14:07:53 present+ Angel 14:08:11 meeting: Positive Work Environment Community Group 14:08:34 👼 Shall we go through the agenda as planned? 14:08:36 regrets: Chaals, Jeff, Vlad, Nigel, Wendy 14:08:39 zakim, take up agenda 1 14:08:39 agendum 1. "Pull request: Review and merge open Pull Requests" taken up [from angel] 14:08:55 oh no! my irc client changes angel + : to an emoji 14:09:38 scribe+ 14:09:40 angel : for the PR we almost have it for review 14:10:14 PR:https://github.com/w3c/PWETF/pulls 14:10:15 ada: all the PRs that were ready were merged except the large PR for the glossary 14:10:37 ...the glossary is coming along bit by bit and I don't think it's a blocker for showing this to people 14:10:41 agenda? 14:10:55 Judy: agreed, I don't think this is a blocker for showing this to people 14:11:42 angel : can we have a version ready for tpac? to show people. 14:12:05 Judy: I don't think we can do additional work but I am not sure. 14:12:27 angel : I agree that it may not be mature enough to be finished. 14:12:40 ...tpac will be a good venue for this discussion. 14:13:45 ada: I think it's okay for a wider review, if not final. 14:13:55 rachel: I agree. 14:14:57 Judy: we would like to show it to people, and can ask people to look at the draft for comments. With clear messaging that it is not a final document yet. 14:15:16 angel : I can show the ac reps with this messaging. 14:15:45 zakim, close this item 14:15:45 agendum 1 closed 14:15:46 I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 14:15:46 2. PWE updates for AC Meeting during TPAC2019 [from angel] 14:15:49 zakim, move to next 14:15:50 agendum 2. "PWE updates for AC Meeting during TPAC2019" taken up [from angel] 14:16:40 angel : Aside from feedback do we have anything else we would like to convey to the AC reps? 14:16:53 ... Do we feel comfortable to say yes we will develop the document. 14:17:03 ? 14:17:29 s/and can ask people to look at the draft for comments/and let people know they're welcome to look and send comments/ 14:17:49 ... I will tlk about the draft for cepc and compare between the previous document, and the training. Is there any other information or message do you think we should convey? 14:18:20 s/it is not a final document yet/there will be a more formal call for review of the draft coming/ 14:19:51 Judy: It would be useful to put together the context of the work we are doing, around this, I think the most important part will be setting the context and what to expect, and inviting to join the work if they are interested. 14:21:09 ada: It might be handy to have a good answer as to why we are redoing the CEPC. 14:21:25 👼 I will draft some Q&A for the AC reps. 14:22:31 s/👼/angel: 14:22:43 s/around this/including the policy revisions, resource gathering, preparing training, updating procedures, rethinking ombuds/ 14:22:47 https://www.w3.org/2019/09/TPAC/ac-agenda.html 14:23:09 ada: what day is the presentation to AC? 14:23:59 angel : the presentation to the AC is on thursday. 14:24:43 Judy: I can be in the room during the meeting for support. 14:24:49 angel: I appreciate that. 14:24:53 zakim, close this item 14:24:53 agendum 2 closed 14:24:54 I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 14:24:54 3. TPAC training and breakout session plan [from angel] 14:24:57 zakim, take next 14:24:58 I don't understand 'take next', angel 14:25:45 angel: tpac training, I think jeff's suggeston of having a lobby during the chair lunch and do chair training in the afternoon, unfortunately I have conflicts. 14:25:48 zakim, take up next item 14:25:48 agendum 3. "TPAC training and breakout session plan" taken up [from angel] 14:26:26 angel: I am looking for people from this group to help with the training. 14:27:27 Judy: I have my concerns, One option is that something is already put together, but it may happen that nothing thorough is prepared and a rushed training may give a poor representation of future efforts. 14:28:02 ... We should ask if something is prepared but I worry if nothing is prepared at all yet. 14:28:23 Rachel: if Jory has started working on something I am happy to help. 14:28:42 angel: I am in contact with her 14:29:30 Judy: can we check, who amongst us on the call who can meet again next thursday, if we find out from JOry that she has something ready we can discuss it before it goes live the following week. So we have a fallback opportunity to get in sync with her. 14:29:52 ada: Unfortunately Thursday is the day I am travelling 14:29:59 Rachel: I am travelling then too. 14:30:34 Judy: If Jory has something it will be something which we wouldn't have seen, i would like for there to be some oppotunity to look at it perhaps we can do it via email? 14:30:45 angel: I can check with Jory. 14:31:01 ... i will contact her after this phone call. 14:31:34 ... another thought about the chair training I have proposed to Jory if it is too short notice we can use TPAC to collect more feedback and requirements. 14:31:39 q+ 14:31:58 ack judy 14:32:13 ... would they prefer documents detailing best practices or more interactive calls to teach stuff. 14:33:47 Judy: it owuld be useful to have people share resources that they have founf useful in their organisation. "Do you have any resources you would like to share" is something which can be done by survey if nothing is prepared yet. In terms of asking people what training may work for them it could be useful but it could be tricky because it raises expectiations we cannot meet. So it may be careful to how we ask 14:33:49 it. Perhaps muliple choice is better than an open answer. 14:33:57 angel: I think that is good advice. 14:34:28 ... also i will check with Jory to see if this proposal works for her. SO we can design a questionaire of reasonable quality with the time left. 14:35:11 s/ SO /Hopelly 14:35:23 zkaim, close this item 14:35:31 zakim, take up next 14:35:31 agendum 4. "AoB" taken up [from angel] 14:35:39 angel: if there are no other comments are there any other topics we should bring up to day. 14:37:50 ada: I understand there is the feeling that the CEPC is not mature enough is there anything I could have done as the editor to move it along? 14:42:10 there was conversation but ada's fingers couldn't catch up 14:45:14 Rachel: in terms of TPAC on wednesday, angel you have a presentation of the work we have done so far you are proposing a breakout at the TP where we are offering up the work we have done for informal review, is that correct? 14:45:39 and we're waiting to hear back from Jory about the chairs training? 14:46:05 angel: The presentation is one to the AC on tuesday, the chairs training is for wednesday. 14:46:11 q+ 14:46:27 ... there is no plan to discuss the CEPC on the Technical Plenary day. 14:47:14 Judy: the Technical Plenary day is being done in advanced online this year, the slots are filling up quickly now, if we want to do a break out session we should put it on the list now. 14:48:14 Judy: it sounds like we have a few presentations going on, AC + Chairs lunch + training, it may be useful to show a list of where we are so we can show up to support eachother. 14:48:35 angel: i'll contact Jory for more information. 14:48:52 Breakout sessions list: https://w3c.github.io/tpac-breakouts/sessions.html 14:48:55 Judy: I'll drop in a link to the breakout sessions so we can have a place holder session: 14:49:21 s/so we can have/in case we want to have/ 14:50:00 [JB is assuming Angel or Jory will add one, if needed, just clarifying I'm not adding it] 14:50:09 angel: We could do a joint break out session with the inclusion group but I don't see them having one booked for this year either. 14:50:30 Judy: a broarder breakout for sharing ideas for a more inclusive environment could work. 14:50:53 ... In recent years such sessions have been well attended and people have reported that they are very useful in a w3c setting. 14:51:05 angel: agreed, it's a full house almost. 14:52:05 ... if I hear back from Jory that we have a plan then I Will book a oom for us for the training, otherwise we can do a more general session. 14:52:19 s/oom/room 14:52:42 ... aob? 14:53:21 Judy: I was going to say that I have to go deal with a problem now, 14:53:39 angel: If there are no more issues then meeting adjourned. 14:54:14 angel: thank you everyone for joining the call. I will follow up via email about tpac. 14:54:17 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:54:17 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/09/05-pwe-minutes.html angel 14:55:15 rrsagent, make log public 15:02:15 Judy_alt has joined #pwe 15:33:32 Judy_ has joined #pwe 15:47:51 Judy has joined #pwe