IRC log of rqtf on 2019-09-04
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- Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 04 September 2019
- 12:39:48 [jasonjgw]
- agenda+ XAUR Draft: review, and interrelations among documents.
- 12:40:05 [jasonjgw]
- agenda+ Real-time communication accessibility: review and discussion.
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- chair: jasonjgw
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- present+
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- present+
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- present+
- 13:02:27 [jasonjgw]
- zakim, next item
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- agendum 1. "XAUR Draft: review, and interrelations among documents." taken up [from jasonjgw]
- 13:02:42 [janina]
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- present+
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- present+
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- https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Xaur_draft#XR_Checkpoints_DRAFT
- 13:04:22 [SteveNoble]
- Jason: good discussions lately on email - checklist draft has been distributed via email previously
- 13:05:30 [SteveNoble]
- Scott: did a quick readthrough of the checklist and thought it was well done - complements the other work done
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- Jason: did a brief review of the chacklist - seems to be going in the right direction
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- Jason: we should look at the relationship between these points and the examples and use cases and other WCAG requirements
- 13:08:24 [janina]
- q+ to discuss wcag reference advisability
- 13:08:43 [SteveNoble]
- Jason: would be appropriate to highlight this as non-normative
- 13:09:28 [Joshue108_]
- q+ to give some overview of thinking
- 13:09:33 [Joshue108_]
- ack jani
- 13:09:33 [Zakim]
- janina, you wanted to discuss wcag reference advisability
- 13:10:37 [SteveNoble]
- Janina: wondering if it would it be helpful at this stage to cross-reference to other guidance documents
- 13:11:10 [SteveNoble]
- Janina: Silver TF is explicitaley looking at XR
- 13:12:26 [SteveNoble]
- Janina: there may be different ways to test for various criteria like alt text, and knowing how usable such things are will not be easy
- 13:12:38 [Joshue108_]
- +1 to Janina
- 13:14:02 [SteveNoble]
- Jason: There will be some areas in XR where there are no easy direct crossreferences to existing standards
- 13:15:13 [SteveNoble]
- Janina: Example of how captions might be done in XR due to positioning in a sonic landscape - not clear how that will be done
- 13:15:33 [Joshue108_]
- I think we just minted a new checkpoint Janina!
- 13:15:52 [Joshue108_]
- ack me
- 13:15:52 [Zakim]
- Joshue108_, you wanted to give some overview of thinking
- 13:15:55 [janina]
- ack jan
- 13:17:02 [Joshue108_]
- http://gameaccessibilityguidelines.com
- 13:17:15 [SteveNoble]
- Josh: Context for checkpoints - these are big things that need to be done to make XR more accessible - some conncetions to gaming accessibility guidelines
- 13:18:03 [SteveNoble]
- Scott: agreed - the gaming guidlines are a good starting place
- 13:20:31 [SteveNoble]
- Josh: what I would hope to do is to use a modular approach, since some XR invironments will have some modules but not others
- 13:20:56 [Judy]
- present+ Judy
- 13:21:24 [SteveNoble]
- Janina: have been expecting that gaming would be the leading edge for XR work
- 13:21:57 [SteveNoble]
- Josh: agreed - the gaming industry is very big and lots of money involved
- 13:23:16 [SteveNoble]
- Scott: will send along the paper he wrote on gaming
- 13:24:15 [SteveNoble]
- Judy: people from Able Gamers have been well involved and we hope that they will continue to contribute to this effort
- 13:24:55 [Judy]
- s/to this effort/to this effort, and their guidelines approach is considered (much) more usable for that field/
- 13:25:38 [SteveNoble]
- Jason: using things like 3D audio and haptic technology that we don'ty commonly used in desktop environments - these could be used to benefit accessibility - valuable to address in some way
- 13:25:52 [Joshue108_]
- s/invironments/environments
- 13:27:34 [SteveNoble]
- Josh: some of the current haptic technology may be edge cases
- 13:28:39 [SteveNoble]
- Jason: the group should continue to review the checklist document and bring comments to next meeting
- 13:29:37 [Joshue108_]
- agenda?
- 13:29:38 [SteveNoble]
- Jason: will put this on the head of the next meeting agenda
- 13:31:33 [SteveNoble]
- Janina: more discussion will be going on at TPAC
- 13:32:06 [janina]
- APA agenda at TPAC is here:
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- https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2019
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- 13:33:56 [janina]
- topic: XR Accessibility and the FAST
- 13:34:36 [SteveNoble]
- Josh: how does the XR work relate to other groups like Silver TF, etc.?
- 13:34:45 [Joshue108_]
- https://w3c.github.io/apa/fast/
- 13:35:10 [janina]
- Some useful FAST links are:
- 13:35:11 [janina]
- Introductory: https://www.w3.org/2019/Talks/0516_FAST_MC/ Checklist: http://w3c.github.io/pfwg/wtag/checklist.html
- 13:35:14 [janina]
- Framework: http://w3c.github.io/apa/fast/
- 13:35:17 [janina]
- Checklist: http://w3c.github.io/apa/fast/checklist
- 13:35:19 [janina]
- 13:36:05 [SteveNoble]
- Josh: the FAST is a useful "uberarchitecture" understanding and our XR spec goes below that as a child
- 13:38:35 [Joshue108_]
- User needs framework, then UAAG, ATAG etc as children.
- 13:38:54 [SteveNoble]
- Michael: that is a possible understanding...the user need framework in FAST is a good structure, where all the guidleines come down as a result
- 13:39:44 [Joshue108_]
- q?
- 13:40:49 [SteveNoble]
- Jason: seems as the current process is starting at the user end and then deriving what the application needs to support
- 13:42:06 [SteveNoble]
- Jason: we should also seek to identify matters that are not yet fully addressed by WCAG 2 guidelines
- 13:42:18 [Joshue108_]
- q+ to say we need guidance that is clearer about what need is being met.
- 13:42:39 [Joshue108_]
- ack me
- 13:42:39 [Zakim]
- Joshue108_, you wanted to say we need guidance that is clearer about what need is being met.
- 13:43:37 [Judy]
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- 13:45:04 [jasonjgw]
- zakim, next item
- 13:45:04 [Zakim]
- agendum 2. "Real-time communication accessibility: review and discussion." taken up [from jasonjgw]
- 13:45:37 [Joshue108_]
- https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Accessible_RTC_Use_Cases
- 13:45:57 [SteveNoble]
- Jason: Josh has developed a draft that takes into account several stages of review and comments
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- Jason: are there comments or significant issues to raise on continuing developemnte of this draft?
- 13:47:55 [Judy]
- q+
- 13:48:01 [SteveNoble]
- Janina: our next step is working with the Web RTC/RTT group
- 13:48:53 [SteveNoble]
- Judy: Hopes to have conversation ahead of TPAC with regards to some current implementations
- 13:49:14 [Joshue108_]
- q+ to mention RTC use cases that relate to other groups and how to address that at TPAC
- 13:49:18 [Joshue108_]
- ack Judy
- 13:49:27 [Joshue108_]
- ack me
- 13:49:27 [Zakim]
- Joshue108_, you wanted to mention RTC use cases that relate to other groups and how to address that at TPAC
- 13:49:48 [SteveNoble]
- Josh: still working on Jason's comments
- 13:50:30 [SteveNoble]
- Josh: Is trying to identify other groups like second screen and audio/media groups - no formal involvement yet
- 13:51:34 [SteveNoble]
- Janina: agrees those groups are helpful and we have had useful contacts in the past, but many of the contact people have changed - let's find out and re-engage
- 13:52:25 [Judy]
- q+
- 13:52:32 [SteveNoble]
- Josh: asks Janina to consider some of those cross-group interactions
- 13:53:39 [SteveNoble]
- Judy: APA contact - assumption that Janina is the default contact to reach out to other organizations, and others should coordinate with Janina
- 13:53:50 [Joshue108_]
- +1 to Judy
- 13:56:09 [SteveNoble]
- Janina: agreed that messaging should originate with her, but she needs our help to coordinate specific information that we want to communicate
- 13:58:28 [SteveNoble]
- Janina: TPAC meeting coming up, but timing of meetings may be hard for some to participate remotely - we are all welcome to participate
- 13:59:29 [SteveNoble]
- Janina: be aware that when the meeting is with another group, then the WebEX and IRC information will refelcet where that meeting is taking place
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- Jason: we may simply not have the regular call that week
- 14:02:08 [SteveNoble]
- Jason: next week we will continue working on the RTC and the XR items
- 14:04:37 [SteveNoble]
- Jason: we can do a TPAC retrospective for the week after TPAC - others agree
- 14:06:05 [jasonjgw]
- zakim, bye
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- leaving. As of this point the attendees have been jasonjgw, MichaelC, SteveNoble, janina, Joshue108_, Judy
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