12:39:00 RRSAgent has joined #rqtf 12:39:00 logging to https://www.w3.org/2019/09/04-rqtf-irc 12:39:02 RRSAgent, make logs world 12:39:02 Zakim has joined #rqtf 12:39:04 Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference 12:39:04 Date: 04 September 2019 12:39:48 agenda+ XAUR Draft: review, and interrelations among documents. 12:40:05 agenda+ Real-time communication accessibility: review and discussion. 12:40:14 chair: jasonjgw 12:40:16 present+ 12:58:28 present+ 13:00:42 scott_h has joined #rqtf 13:00:49 Judy has joined #rqtf 13:01:13 Joshue108_ has joined #rqtf 13:01:52 SteveNoble has joined #rqtf 13:02:25 present+ 13:02:27 zakim, next item 13:02:27 agendum 1. "XAUR Draft: review, and interrelations among documents." taken up [from jasonjgw] 13:02:42 janina has joined #rqtf 13:02:51 present+ 13:03:06 present+ 13:03:57 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Xaur_draft#XR_Checkpoints_DRAFT 13:04:22 Jason: good discussions lately on email - checklist draft has been distributed via email previously 13:05:30 Scott: did a quick readthrough of the checklist and thought it was well done - complements the other work done 13:06:39 Jason: did a brief review of the chacklist - seems to be going in the right direction 13:07:45 Jason: we should look at the relationship between these points and the examples and use cases and other WCAG requirements 13:08:24 q+ to discuss wcag reference advisability 13:08:43 Jason: would be appropriate to highlight this as non-normative 13:09:28 q+ to give some overview of thinking 13:09:33 ack jani 13:09:33 janina, you wanted to discuss wcag reference advisability 13:10:37 Janina: wondering if it would it be helpful at this stage to cross-reference to other guidance documents 13:11:10 Janina: Silver TF is explicitaley looking at XR 13:12:26 Janina: there may be different ways to test for various criteria like alt text, and knowing how usable such things are will not be easy 13:12:38 +1 to Janina 13:14:02 Jason: There will be some areas in XR where there are no easy direct crossreferences to existing standards 13:15:13 Janina: Example of how captions might be done in XR due to positioning in a sonic landscape - not clear how that will be done 13:15:33 I think we just minted a new checkpoint Janina! 13:15:52 ack me 13:15:52 Joshue108_, you wanted to give some overview of thinking 13:15:55 ack jan 13:17:02 http://gameaccessibilityguidelines.com 13:17:15 Josh: Context for checkpoints - these are big things that need to be done to make XR more accessible - some conncetions to gaming accessibility guidelines 13:18:03 Scott: agreed - the gaming guidlines are a good starting place 13:20:31 Josh: what I would hope to do is to use a modular approach, since some XR invironments will have some modules but not others 13:20:56 present+ Judy 13:21:24 Janina: have been expecting that gaming would be the leading edge for XR work 13:21:57 Josh: agreed - the gaming industry is very big and lots of money involved 13:23:16 Scott: will send along the paper he wrote on gaming 13:24:15 Judy: people from Able Gamers have been well involved and we hope that they will continue to contribute to this effort 13:24:55 s/to this effort/to this effort, and their guidelines approach is considered (much) more usable for that field/ 13:25:38 Jason: using things like 3D audio and haptic technology that we don'ty commonly used in desktop environments - these could be used to benefit accessibility - valuable to address in some way 13:25:52 s/invironments/environments 13:27:34 Josh: some of the current haptic technology may be edge cases 13:28:39 Jason: the group should continue to review the checklist document and bring comments to next meeting 13:29:37 agenda? 13:29:38 Jason: will put this on the head of the next meeting agenda 13:31:33 Janina: more discussion will be going on at TPAC 13:32:06 APA agenda at TPAC is here: 13:32:07 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2019 13:32:56 scott-h has joined #rqtf 13:33:56 topic: XR Accessibility and the FAST 13:34:36 Josh: how does the XR work relate to other groups like Silver TF, etc.? 13:34:45 https://w3c.github.io/apa/fast/ 13:35:10 Some useful FAST links are: 13:35:11 Introductory: https://www.w3.org/2019/Talks/0516_FAST_MC/ Checklist: http://w3c.github.io/pfwg/wtag/checklist.html 13:35:14 Framework: http://w3c.github.io/apa/fast/ 13:35:17 Checklist: http://w3c.github.io/apa/fast/checklist 13:35:19 13:36:05 Josh: the FAST is a useful "uberarchitecture" understanding and our XR spec goes below that as a child 13:38:35 User needs framework, then UAAG, ATAG etc as children. 13:38:54 Michael: that is a possible understanding...the user need framework in FAST is a good structure, where all the guidleines come down as a result 13:39:44 q? 13:40:49 Jason: seems as the current process is starting at the user end and then deriving what the application needs to support 13:42:06 Jason: we should also seek to identify matters that are not yet fully addressed by WCAG 2 guidelines 13:42:18 q+ to say we need guidance that is clearer about what need is being met. 13:42:39 ack me 13:42:39 Joshue108_, you wanted to say we need guidance that is clearer about what need is being met. 13:43:37 [JB: rejoins from another meeting] 13:45:04 zakim, next item 13:45:04 agendum 2. "Real-time communication accessibility: review and discussion." taken up [from jasonjgw] 13:45:37 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Accessible_RTC_Use_Cases 13:45:57 Jason: Josh has developed a draft that takes into account several stages of review and comments 13:47:07 Jason: are there comments or significant issues to raise on continuing developemnte of this draft? 13:47:55 q+ 13:48:01 Janina: our next step is working with the Web RTC/RTT group 13:48:53 Judy: Hopes to have conversation ahead of TPAC with regards to some current implementations 13:49:14 q+ to mention RTC use cases that relate to other groups and how to address that at TPAC 13:49:18 ack Judy 13:49:27 ack me 13:49:27 Joshue108_, you wanted to mention RTC use cases that relate to other groups and how to address that at TPAC 13:49:48 Josh: still working on Jason's comments 13:50:30 Josh: Is trying to identify other groups like second screen and audio/media groups - no formal involvement yet 13:51:34 Janina: agrees those groups are helpful and we have had useful contacts in the past, but many of the contact people have changed - let's find out and re-engage 13:52:25 q+ 13:52:32 Josh: asks Janina to consider some of those cross-group interactions 13:53:39 Judy: APA contact - assumption that Janina is the default contact to reach out to other organizations, and others should coordinate with Janina 13:53:50 +1 to Judy 13:56:09 Janina: agreed that messaging should originate with her, but she needs our help to coordinate specific information that we want to communicate 13:58:28 Janina: TPAC meeting coming up, but timing of meetings may be hard for some to participate remotely - we are all welcome to participate 13:59:29 Janina: be aware that when the meeting is with another group, then the WebEX and IRC information will refelcet where that meeting is taking place 14:00:46 Jason: we may simply not have the regular call that week 14:02:08 Jason: next week we will continue working on the RTC and the XR items 14:04:37 Jason: we can do a TPAC retrospective for the week after TPAC - others agree 14:06:05 zakim, bye 14:06:05 leaving. 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